Doctor_Dick said:

cardio is the only way, you need to lose as much adipose tissue as you can to get good muscle tone

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Titus_Pullo said:

cardio is ineffective. Too long too boring.

HIIT is where its at for muscle tone, and youll get alot of endurance as well

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Doctor_Dick said:

i was into bruce lee when i was in high school, and from the looks of it, bruce lee never said anything about diet...think he said training is the most important thing

look at what michael phelps eats for breakfast...none of it really sounds healthy. it's all about training

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Nova said:

Cardio and diet. Sounds like weight loss. Is that the key?

Can you elaborate on an ideal diet for gaining muscle tone?

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Excess body fat in men decreases plasma fatty acid availability and oxidation during endurance exercise.

Mittendorfer B, Fields DA, Klein S.

Center for Human Nutrition and Department of Internal Medicine, Washington University School of Medicine, St. Louis, Missouri 63110, USA.
Abstract

The effect of relative body fat mass on exercise-induced stimulation of lipolysis and fatty acid oxidation was evaluated in 15 untrained men (5 lean, 5 overweight, and 5 obese with body mass indexes of 21 +/- 1, 27 +/- 1, and 34 +/- 1 kg/m2, respectively, and %body fat ranging from 12 to 32%). Palmitate and glycerol kinetics and substrate oxidation were assessed during 90 min of cycling at 50% peak aerobic capacity (VO2 peak) by use of stable isotope-labeled tracer infusion and indirect calorimetry. An inverse relationship was found between %body fat and exercise-induced increase in glycerol appearance rate relative to fat mass (r2 = 0.74; P < 0.01). The increase in total fatty acid uptake during exercise [(micromol/kg fat-free mass) x 90 min] was approximately 50% smaller in obese (181 +/- 70; P < 0.05) and approximately 35% smaller in overweight (230 +/- 71; P < 0.05) than in lean (354 +/- 34) men. The percentage of total fatty acid oxidation derived from systemic plasma fatty acids decreased with increasing body fat, from 49 +/- 3% in lean to 39 +/- 4% in obese men (P < 0.05); conversely, the percentage of nonsystemic fatty acids, presumably derived from intramuscular and possibly plasma triglycerides, increased with increasing body fat (P < 0.05). We conclude that the lipolytic response to exercise decreases with increasing adiposity. The blunted increase in lipolytic rate in overweight and obese men compared with lean men limits the availability of plasma fatty acids as a fuel during exercise. However, the rate of total fat oxidation was similar in all groups because of a compensatory increase in the oxidation of nonsystemic fatty acids.

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Titus_Pullo said:

Doctor_Dick said:

i was into bruce lee when i was in high school, and from the looks of it, bruce lee never said anything about diet...think he said training is the most important thing

look at what michael phelps eats for breakfast...none of it really sounds healthy. it's all about training

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lol bruce lee experimented with diet a lot. not to mention the attitude "if bruce lee didnt do it it must not matter" is retarded. Diet is much more important than training.

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QFT. You couldn't be anymore right sir. Muscle "tone" is just low BF% and you don't have to do a single run to lose weight, its all about food. Although if you like to eat a lot, cardio is a great way to get a strong heart and to burn off a ton of extra calories.

When I cut I do a ketosis diet, it shreds fat off so fast its insane, but I don't like it because I have lower energy levels than if I was on my normal diet