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Obama okays $205m for Israel's Iron Dome Missile-Defense System | May 14th, 2010
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Obama okays $205m for Iron Dome
Haaretz.com | May 14th, 2010
article: http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/obama-okays-205m-for-iron-dome-1.290284

The Pentagon informed the Defense Ministry on Wednesday that U.S. President Barack Obama had approved $205 million in special aid for Israel to establish 10 control centers for operating the system.

Until now, however, the program had not been allocated sufficient funds for the control centers to be set up. The military refused to fund it from its own budget, stating that priority must be given to maintaining Israel's offensive operational capabilities.

Iron Dome was successfully tested in January, convincing U.S. defense officials of the system's effectiveness in intercepting short-range rockets such as Qassams fired from the Gaza Strip and Katyushas from south Lebanon. 


My 2 Cents: I think it is great that Israel is getting a better missile-defense system. I think that more countries should spend money on defense initiatives and diplomatic solutions rather than aggressive war initiatives. Unfortunately, I think countries should pay for their own defense, especially when the USA is in one of the largest economic recessions since the Great Depression. Last time I checked, the unemployment rate was still increasing, up to 9.9% in April 2010 from 9.7% during the first few months of 2010. (see here: http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm) In conclusion, I am happy that Israel is increasing their defenses rather than attacking their enemies, but at the same time, I think it is wrong that the USA is paying for their new missile-defense system, when we need that money to improve our country here at home. Then again, if we would just cut down on our ever-expanding military budget, perhaps we would have more money for our own country AND other countries as well.


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Re: Obama okays $205m for Israel's Iron Dome Missile-Defense System | May 14th, 2010 [Re: PookztA]
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by the way, the $205 million is on top of the billions we give them annually due to pressure from AIPAC and other lobby groups. i think this article even mentioned that it was "in addition" to the annual billions we normally give them.

I support Israel, they are a country with good people just like America or Germany or Japan, but I just don't think we should be giving them so much money, especially during this worsening economic recession. It seems very unfair to the American taxpayers, and to the Palestinians and other Middle Eastern countries which do not receive near as much money, if any, and in addition, our huge support of Israel pisses off many countries in the Middle East, which makes anti-American / anti-Israel terrorist attacks more likely, while simultaneously increasing the risk of our troops that are over there, because the more we support Israel the more pissed off the Middle East 'resistance' will be.

I hope that someday America is in better condition to provide billions in aid to foreign countries, and if/when we are, that we distribute that aid more fairly in the Middle East, because myself and countless others do not approve of how our tax dollars are currently being used, yet the federal government doesn't even seem to care.

Hoping for PEACE,

-Abe


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Re: Obama okays $205m for Israel's Iron Dome Missile-Defense System | May 14th, 2010 [Re: PookztA]
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If they weren't surrounded by genocidal lunatics they wouldn't need any help at all.  They were genocidal lunatics long before either the West or the Soviets or the Chinese ever got involved.


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Re: Obama okays $205m for Israel's Iron Dome Missile-Defense System | May 14th, 2010 [Re: zappaisgod]
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I am happy that Israel is increasing their defenses rather than attacking their enemies, but at the same time, I think it is wrong that the USA is paying for their new missile-defense system, when we need that money to improve our country here at home.



You said it right there. Israel isn't paying for it because they want to maintain the capability of attacking other countries more than they want to defend themselves.

This is why the U.S is paying for it.

They are not increasing their defenses rather than attacking their enemies, they are doing both.

We are paying for their defense because they aren't willing to. Says it all in your article really.


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Re: Obama okays $205m for Israel's Iron Dome Missile-Defense System | May 14th, 2010 [Re: Heffy]
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Heffy said:
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I am happy that Israel is increasing their defenses rather than attacking their enemies, but at the same time, I think it is wrong that the USA is paying for their new missile-defense system, when we need that money to improve our country here at home.



You said it right there. Israel isn't paying for it because they want to maintain the capability of attacking other countries more than they want to defend themselves.

This is why the U.S is paying for it.

They are not increasing their defenses rather than attacking their enemies, they are doing both.

We are paying for their defense because they aren't willing to. Says it all in your article really.



agreed sir. Thanks for commenting.

Hoping for Peace in the Middle East...

...the sooner the better if you ask me!

-Abe


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Re: Obama okays $205m for Israel's Iron Dome Missile-Defense System | May 14th, 2010 [Re: PookztA]
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PookztA said:
by the way, the $205 million is on top of the billions we give them annually due to pressure from AIPAC and other lobby groups. i think this article even mentioned that it was "in addition" to the annual billions we normally give them.

I support Israel, they are a country with good people just like America or Germany or Japan, but I just don't think we should be giving them so much money, especially during this worsening economic recession. It seems very unfair to the American taxpayers, and to the Palestinians and other Middle Eastern countries which do not receive near as much money, if any, and in addition, our huge support of Israel pisses off many countries in the Middle East, which makes anti-American / anti-Israel terrorist attacks more likely, while simultaneously increasing the risk of our troops that are over there, because the more we support Israel the more pissed off the Middle East 'resistance' will be.

I hope that someday America is in better condition to provide billions in aid to foreign countries, and if/when we are, that we distribute that aid more fairly in the Middle East, because myself and countless others do not approve of how our tax dollars are currently being used, yet the federal government doesn't even seem to care.

Hoping for PEACE,

-Abe



you couldn't have said it better


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Re: Obama okays $205m for Israel's Iron Dome Missile-Defense System | May 14th, 2010 [Re: ukshroomer]
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thanks! :shineon:


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Re: Obama okays $205m for Israel's Iron Dome Missile-Defense System | May 14th, 2010 [Re: PookztA]
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7 day old expired stupidity and you bump it for that?  Couldn't a PM have done just as well?


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Re: Obama okays $205m for Israel's Iron Dome Missile-Defense System | May 14th, 2010 [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said:
If they weren't surrounded by genocidal lunatics they wouldn't need any help at all.  They were genocidal lunatics long before either the West or the Soviets or the Chinese ever got involved.



Yes one day all israels neighbours decided they would start hatin on israel, just fell right out of the sky. Israel did nothing to provoke any such thing. God you suck.


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Re: Obama okays $205m for Israel's Iron Dome Missile-Defense System | May 14th, 2010 [Re: tomnl]
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tomnl said:
zappaisgod said:
If they weren't surrounded by genocidal lunatics they wouldn't need any help at all.  They were genocidal lunatics long before either the West or the Soviets or the Chinese ever got involved.



Yes one day all israels neighbours decided they would start hatin on israel, just fell right out of the sky. Israel did nothing to provoke any such thing. God you suck.



Your misunderstanding of the hatred is unfortunate.  And for this:
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God you suck.



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Re: Obama okays $205m for Israel's Iron Dome Missile-Defense System | May 14th, 2010 [Re: zappaisgod]
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fine get your ban stick out, i didnt know you´re such a sensitive little boy im Sorry about it man.


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Re: Obama okays $205m for Israel's Iron Dome Missile-Defense System | May 14th, 2010 [Re: tomnl]
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By funding it, we get to test the technology without actually engaging in combat.  Wheres the problem?

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Re: Obama okays $205m for Israel's Iron Dome Missile-Defense System | May 14th, 2010 [Re: tomnl]
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tomnl said:
fine get your ban stick out, i didnt know you´re such a sensitive little boy im Sorry about it man.



Little boy? In my book that's the guy that stoops to personalisms when he can't debate an issue or can't leave it alone. How about sticking to the issue at hand and leave your hatred out of it.


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Re: Obama okays $205m for Israel's Iron Dome Missile-Defense System | May 14th, 2010 [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said:
tomnl said:
zappaisgod said:
If they weren't surrounded by genocidal lunatics they wouldn't need any help at all.  They were genocidal lunatics long before either the West or the Soviets or the Chinese ever got involved.



Yes one day all israels neighbours decided they would start hatin on israel, just fell right out of the sky. Israel did nothing to provoke any such thing. God you suck.



Your misunderstanding of the hatred is unfortunate.  And for this:
Quote:
God you suck.



:banbanban:






The second picture is the UN plan for distribution of land.  As you can see, the Israelis are systematically stealing land from the Palestinians, while the US pays Israel billions every year and turns a blind eye to Israel's complete disregard for the UN agreement.

I certainly don't agree with violence, especially against civilians, but look at it from their point of view.  They have good reason to hate Israel, and by extension, the US.

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Re: Obama okays $205m for Israel's Iron Dome Missile-Defense System | May 14th, 2010 [Re: BothHands]
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I plead ignorance. How do they actually steal this land? How do they go about it? I haven't paid much attention but didn't they win a lot in a war that they didn't start?

Just askin.:shrug:


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Re: Obama okays $205m for Israel's Iron Dome Missile-Defense System | May 14th, 2010 [Re: BothHands]
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I don't much care about the maps from the UN partition.  Look at them.  What the fuck were they thinking?  But aside from all that, and it is a big aside, the old borders would probably still be in place if not for the fact that their neighbors attempted to completely eradicate Israel and LOST.

By the way, Palestinian land?  Palestinian land?  No.  Jordanian, Egyptian and Syrian land.  There never was any such thing as Palestinian land.  Where'd you get that bit of bullshit?  Neither Jordan nor Egypt wants it back and Syria, I believe, already has.

History FAIL.


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Re: Obama okays $205m for Israel's Iron Dome Missile-Defense System | May 14th, 2010 [Re: zappaisgod]
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i'd be happy if they spent all the defence money and arms money to pay the people who lost thier land to re-locate with a little bonus....that way, they can hold public face and say they gave em a "fair go" as long as they allow pilgramidge rights to holy sites and don't destroy any mosque's i'd be happy to switch to the pro isreal side of the fence.

Only problem i have with the missile shield is that it is quite High tech, and can be used to shoot down ICBMs

if the U.S creates a missile shield and other nuclear armed countries do not have one.....then the threat of nuclear retaliation is diminished and the U.S and its allies have no reason not to push an imperialist resource/land grabbing agenda.

i would really appriciate an unbiased A.I to control a massive U.N style military. Being unemotional and un biased I think it would end up being a great leader.....i know everyone is thinking....WTF it'll kill us.

But without irrational fear it should logically conclude that no war has better survival chances than war so long as we humans don't fuck it up by trying to pull the plug.

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Re: Obama okays $205m for Israel's Iron Dome Missile-Defense System | May 14th, 2010 [Re: husk]
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How could the UN be unbiased when there are 40 Muslim countries voting?

The UN is a festering shithole of corruption and ineptitude starting at the top and working it's way down to the janitors.


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Re: Obama okays $205m for Israel's Iron Dome Missile-Defense System | May 14th, 2010 [Re: zappaisgod]
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:thumbup:

What a waste of time and money.


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