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Re: My grandparents have fallen victim to the chemtrail conspiracy... [Re: DieCommie] * 1
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DieCommie said:
You are not correct.  Contrails can be left at sea level if the atmospheric conditions are right.


Exactly...
ever seen your human exhaust when its cold outside?
your car?
well take that water output times it by 100, drop temperatures dramatically, and do you still wonder why those planes leave trails?
I guess some people just never took highschool chemistry.


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Re: My grandparents have fallen victim to the chemtrail conspiracy... [Re: twighead] * 1
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twighead said:
Is there possibly a source, besides common logic, that I could show them that would unhinge their blind belief the government is poisoning them with aerosols? I'm sure it would just be written off as 'part of the conspiracy' but they won't leave me alone for not believing it so I need to set things straight. :lol:

Sounds like they have too much time on their hands. Is their lawn getting pretty tall?


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Re: My grandparents have fallen victim to the chemtrail conspiracy... [Re: Maurer]
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Well the thing is I see them taking off from behind a mountain, so I could easily find the height of the mountain, but I know it is less than 5000ft.  I know where the base is and the height of the mountains, it is low altitude.  But It is obvious they just turn it on, all of a sudden it just starts leaving a huge train, then stops for a sec, and then goes again.

And I said it is to increase the albedo, not poison people, did you even read my post? 

I had seen contrails, but this one stayed for my entire trip until it was dark (4 hours) just spreading out and getting bigger and bigger.


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This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and affection for a few persons nearest us.

Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole nature in its beauty.

Nobody is able to achieve this completely but striving for such achievement is, in itself, a part of the liberation and a foundation for inner security."

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Re: My grandparents have fallen victim to the chemtrail conspiracy... [Re: Cannashroom]
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Change the albedo?  Thats rich!

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Re: My grandparents have fallen victim to the chemtrail conspiracy... [Re: twighead]
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twighead said:
DieCommie said:
You are not correct.  Contrails can be left at sea level if the atmospheric conditions are right.


Exactly...
ever seen your human exhaust when its cold outside?
your car?
well take that water output times it by 100, drop temperatures dramatically, and do you still wonder why those planes leave trails?
I guess some people just never took highschool chemistry.


I have a 4.0 last semester in Honors Biochemistry, I know more about chemistry than you ever will so don't give me that shit.

Does the water vapor you breathe out on a cold day linger for 6 hours?  Does it block the heat of the sun from hitting your skin (They are actually quite nice when I am working outside and it is hot, fake cloud cover).

Contrails don't last all day and form into clouds that block out the sun every night.  That's the thing, every night there is heavy spraying at sunset you can see the shield as it moves across the globe.  If you see lots of trails in the sky one day, try to get a good view of the sunset, it is very telling.

I am not basing this shit of stupid you tube videos, but mostly my own experiences.  I see it almost every day it is sunny at work.

You will see the difference one day...


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"A human being is part of the whole, called by us 'Universe'; a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings as something separated from the rest -- a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness.

This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and affection for a few persons nearest us.

Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole nature in its beauty.

Nobody is able to achieve this completely but striving for such achievement is, in itself, a part of the liberation and a foundation for inner security."

Albert Einstein

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Re: My grandparents have fallen victim to the chemtrail conspiracy... [Re: Cannashroom]
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I have a 4.0 last semester in Honors Biochemistry, I know more about chemistry than you ever will so don't give me that shit.


:lol:  give me a break...

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Re: My grandparents have fallen victim to the chemtrail conspiracy... [Re: Cannashroom]
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Cannashroom said:
Well the thing is I see them taking off from behind a mountain, so I could easily find the height of the mountain, but I know it is less than 5000ft.  I know where the base is and the height of the mountains, it is low altitude.



no... because you're below the height of the mountain, everything you'll see is well over it, it could be anywhere from 5000' to 17000'



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I had seen contrails, but this one stayed for my entire trip until it was dark (4 hours) just spreading out and getting bigger and bigger.


:facepalm:

most airliners fly in the stratosphere, it's relatively calm, that's why
the ozone layer remains intact... all of our weather happens in the
troposphere, that's the part of the atmosphere that we live in, temps in
the stratosphere are around -56F up until you reach 180k feet, temps
above 10,000 feet are sub 0F as well, ever seen the top of a snowy
mountain in the summer? the higher you get, the colder it gets

air disturbances of any sort in sub freezing temps can cause these
trails, in the higher atmosphere where there's little wind, it will
cause those contrails to linger for hours

even in lower altitudes they can happen when conditions are right
and it doesnt just occur from jets, the question is, where's all the
dead people that should be associated with the planes themselves



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Re: My grandparents have fallen victim to the chemtrail conspiracy... [Re: DieCommie]
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DieCommie said:
Quote:
I have a 4.0 last semester in Honors Biochemistry, I know more about chemistry than you ever will so don't give me that shit.


:lol:  give me a break...


Mhmmmm....


Still one mark to get back, but I already know it is an A.


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"A human being is part of the whole, called by us 'Universe'; a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings as something separated from the rest -- a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness.

This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and affection for a few persons nearest us.

Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole nature in its beauty.

Nobody is able to achieve this completely but striving for such achievement is, in itself, a part of the liberation and a foundation for inner security."

Albert Einstein

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Re: My grandparents have fallen victim to the chemtrail conspiracy... [Re: Cannashroom]
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Cannashroom said:
Contrails don't last all day and form into clouds that block out the sun every night.


prove it.


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I am not basing this shit of stupid you tube videos, but mostly my own experiences.



you see something in the sky, since you're a chemestry major surely your
experience has taken you into the upper atmosphere to take samples, in
fact, has anyone taken samples directly from the 'chemtrails'? 
surely some brilliant scientist has done so


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Re: My grandparents have fallen victim to the chemtrail conspiracy... [Re: Cannashroom]
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You're making unreasonable requests of me man.  I am just trying to share my experience.  I am not telling anyone to do shit.  I just want to share what I have seen and experienced, stop asking for shit you know I don't have.

My job (school) is all about critical thinking and analysis, and from what I have seen, it is pretty obvious what is happening.  I don't know what it is they spray, or have any atmospheric samples.

I work outside in the summer and I see it in the sky most days (Today I saw a pod of 50 dolphins from afar instead, lol. I work in an amazing location, incredible view)


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Re: My grandparents have fallen victim to the chemtrail conspiracy... [Re: Cannashroom]
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Wow dude, really...

I was mocking you for trying to use a couple of As as evidence for your crazy belief.  I didnt doubt you, its honestly not that impressive of a credential.

How about using some of your mad science skillz to convince us, rather than expecting us to yield to your authority of a straight A report card.

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Re: My grandparents have fallen victim to the chemtrail conspiracy... [Re: DieCommie]
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Backpedal much?  I did make an argument with scientific facts (unexplained increasing albedo) and you just failed to address that.

Did you mention any of the things about albedo and cloud seeding I talked about.  Look into the mysterious increasing albedo of the earth?

I Have made an argument but you guys just focused on other issues.

If you haven't seen them for yourself, then it is useless arguing.  People who get convinced from those videos are gullible idiots.  You have to really experience the difference (especially if they are low flying planes, which I have see a lot).

If you really want, I will get a map, and use trig to find the altitude.

Anyways, I need to get up at 730 tomorrow morning to dig stumps out of the ground, so night all.  Just look at the sky, all I ask.  Don't listen to what I say, SEE IT FOR YOURSELF.

I like to spend (and have time/jobs that allow me) a lot of time outside in nature, so I notice differences.  I feel many people don't get to spend much time looking at clouds every day.  But when you work outside all day and see this shit happening all day long, you and fellow employees start speculating on wtf is going on, I've never seen that before.

The thing is Since we are situated to see the planes take off, we see every morning at 9am planes taking off, maybe 10 planes.  Each one leaves a trail that sticks around, or are blown away if it really windy.  Sometimes they spray the city, other times they fly somewhere else.  I know they are taking off from a military base because that is the only airport with that much traffic there, furthermore, we often see planes going to the airport which in a different direction from these planes.

Just look at the sky, that is all I ask.


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"A human being is part of the whole, called by us 'Universe'; a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings as something separated from the rest -- a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness.

This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and affection for a few persons nearest us.

Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole nature in its beauty.

Nobody is able to achieve this completely but striving for such achievement is, in itself, a part of the liberation and a foundation for inner security."

Albert Einstein

Edited by Cannashroom (05/07/10 01:14 AM)

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Re: My grandparents have fallen victim to the chemtrail conspiracy... [Re: Cannashroom]
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I stare at the sky all the time.

Simply mentioning the albedo is not sufficient.  Simply staring at the sky is not sufficient.  You know more about chemistry than we will ever know, lets see some of it.  Show me the chemistry of what they are spraying and how it will change the albedo.  Show the math indicating that spray from planes would be non-negligible with respect to the albedo.

I know you havent done any of that.  You are just making up crazy shit that makes you feel special and in the know, and justifying it with getting A's in some classes. 

Lame dude, real lame.  :thumbdown:

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Re: My grandparents have fallen victim to the chemtrail conspiracy... [Re: Cannashroom]
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Cannashroom said:
My job (school) is all about critical thinking and analysis, and from what I have seen, it is pretty obvious what is happening.



"look up in the sky" is not critical thinking


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Re: My grandparents have fallen victim to the chemtrail conspiracy... [Re: Cannashroom]
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Cannashroom said:
twighead said:
DieCommie said:
You are not correct.  Contrails can be left at sea level if the atmospheric conditions are right.


Exactly...
ever seen your human exhaust when its cold outside?
your car?
well take that water output times it by 100, drop temperatures dramatically, and do you still wonder why those planes leave trails?
I guess some people just never took highschool chemistry.


I have a 4.0 last semester in Honors Biochemistry, I know more about chemistry than you ever will so don't give me that shit.

Does the water vapor you breathe out on a cold day linger for 6 hours?  Does it block the heat of the sun from hitting your skin (They are actually quite nice when I am working outside and it is hot, fake cloud cover).

Contrails don't last all day and form into clouds that block out the sun every night.  That's the thing, every night there is heavy spraying at sunset you can see the shield as it moves across the globe.  If you see lots of trails in the sky one day, try to get a good view of the sunset, it is very telling.

I am not basing this shit of stupid you tube videos, but mostly my own experiences.  I see it almost every day it is sunny at work.

You will see the difference one day...


Well if your so damn smart maybe you should realize its about 50 degrees colder up there, plus the volume of vapors absolutely DWARFS anything that's coming out of your mouth, all clouds are - are water vapor... so is it INSANE that the water vapor that comes out of these planes makes clouds?? :rofl:


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