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U.S. Court Curbs F.C.C. Authority on Web Traffic (Net Neturality)
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http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/07/technology/07net.html?pagewanted=1&sq=comcast&st=cse&scp=2

WASHINGTON — A federal appeals court ruled on Tuesday that regulators had limited power over Web traffic under current law. The decision will allow Internet service companies to block or slow specific sites and charge video sites like YouTube to deliver their content faster to users.
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Julius Genachowski, head of the Federal Communications Commission, at a hearing last month.
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The court decision was a setback to efforts by the Federal Communications Commission to require companies to give Web users equal access to all content, even if some of that content is clogging the network.

The court ruling, which came after Comcast asserted that it had the right to slow its cable customers’ access to a file-sharing service called BitTorrent, could prompt efforts in Congress to change the law in order to give the F.C.C. explicit authority to regulate Internet service.

That could prove difficult politically, however, since some conservative Republicans philosophically oppose giving the agency more power, on the grounds that Internet providers should be able to decide what services they offer and at what price.

More broadly, the ruling by the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit could raise obstacles to the Obama administration’s effort to increase Americans’ access to high-speed Internet networks.

For example, the national broadband plan released by the administration last month proposed to shift billions of dollars in money from a fund to provide phone service in rural areas to one that helps pay for Internet access in those areas. Legal observers said the court decision suggested that the F.C.C. did not have the authority to make that switch.

The F.C.C. will now have to reconsider its strategy for mandating “net neutrality,” the principle that all Internet content should be treated equally by network providers. One option would be to reclassify broadband service as a sort of basic utility subject to strict regulation, like telephone service. Telephone companies and broadband providers have already indicated that they would vigorously oppose such a move.

The appeals court’s 3-0 decision, which was written by one of the court’s more liberal members, Judge David S. Tatel, focused on the narrow issue of whether the F.C.C. had authority to regulate Comcast’s network management practices.

But it was a clear victory for those who favor limiting the F.C.C.’s regulation of the Internet, said Phil Kerpen, a vice president at Americans for Prosperity, a group that advocates limited government. “The F.C.C. has no legal basis for imposing its dystopian regulatory vision under the net neutrality banner,” he said.

As a practical matter, the court ruling will not have any immediate impact on Internet users, since Comcast and other large Internet providers are not currently restricting specific types of Web content and have no plans to do so.

Comcast, the nation’s largest cable provider, had a muted reaction to its victory. The company said it was gratified by the court’s decision but added that it had changed the management policies that led it to restrict access to BitTorrent, a service used to exchange a range of large data files, from pirated movies to complex software programs.

“Comcast remains committed to the F.C.C.’s existing open Internet principles, and we will continue to work constructively with this F.C.C. as it determines how best to increase broadband adoption and preserve an open and vibrant Internet,” Comcast said in a statement.

The company is currently seeking federal approval for its proposed acquisition of a majority stake in NBC Universal, the parent of the NBC broadcast network and a cadre of popular cable channels. Some members of Congress and consumer groups have opposed the merger, saying that it would enable Comcast to favor its own cable channels and discriminate against those owned by competitors — something the company has said it does not intend to do.

After the ruling on Tuesday, consumer advocates voiced similar concerns about Comcast’s potential power over the Internet, saying that the company could, for example, give priority to transmission of video services of NBC channels and restrict those owned by a competitor like CBS.

“Internet users now have no cop on the beat,” said Ben Scott, policy director for Free Press, a nonprofit organization that supported the F.C.C. in the case.

Julius Genachowski, the chairman of the F.C.C., had said previously that if the agency lost the Comcast case, he would seek to find other legal authority to implement consumer protections over Internet service. In a statement, the F.C.C. said it remained “firmly committed to promoting an open Internet.”

While the court decision invalidated its current approach to that goal, the agency said, “the court in no way disagreed with the importance of providing a free and open Internet, nor did it close the door to other methods for achieving this important end.”
U.S. Court Curbs F.C.C. Authority on Web Traffic
Published: April 6, 2010

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The concept of equal access for all Internet content is one that people who favor some degree of F.C.C. regulation say is necessary not only to protect consumers but also to foster innovation and investment in technology.
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“You can’t have innovation if all the big companies get the fast lane,” said Gigi B. Sohn, president of Public Knowledge, which advocates for consumer rights on digital issues. “Look at Google, eBay, Yahoo — none of those companies would have survived if 15 years ago we had a fast lane and a slow lane on the Internet.”

The court’s ruling could potentially affect content providers like Google, which owns YouTube, a popular video-sharing service. Content providers fear that Internet service companies will ask them to pay a fee to ensure delivery of material like high-definition video that takes up a lot of network capacity.

Google declined to comment directly on the ruling but pointed to the Open Internet Coalition, of which it is a member. The coalition’s executive director, Markham Erickson, said the decision “creates a dangerous situation, one where the health and openness of the Internet is being held hostage by the behavior of the major telco and cable providers.”

Sam Feder, a lawyer who formerly served as general counsel for the F.C.C., said that the court’s decision “is the worst of all worlds for the F.C.C.” He said the opinion was written narrowly enough that it was unlikely to be successfully appealed, while also raising enough possibilities of other ways that the F.C.C. could accomplish the same goals that it was unlikely to inspire Congressional action to give the agency specific regulatory authority over the Internet.

Under the Bush administration, the F.C.C. largely deregulated Internet service. But in 2008, the final year of the administration, the agency decided to impose the net neutrality order on Comcast. Under President Obama, the F.C.C. has broadened that initiative, seeking to craft rules governing the entire industry.

Tuesday’s ruling was the latest in a string of court decisions that rebuffed efforts by the F.C.C. to expand its regulatory authority, noted Eli M. Noam, a professor of finance and economics at the Columbia University graduate business school and the director of the Columbia Institute for Tele-Information.

“The F.C.C. is going to have to be more careful in how it proceeds,” he said, suggesting that the agency would have to structure policy decisions that were more broadly acceptable to the major telecommunications industry players in order to give them some legitimacy.

Andrew M. Odlyzko, a professor at the University of Minnesota who has served as director of the university’s Digital Technology Center, said that while some service providers might jump at the opportunity to establish toll roads for broadband, the biggest companies, including Comcast and Verizon, have said they do not intend to do so.


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Re: U.S. Court Curbs F.C.C. Authority on Web Traffic (Net Neturality) [Re: fapjack]
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edit: whoops read that one wrong. :facepalm:


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Edited by highdroponics (04/07/10 09:17 PM)

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Re: U.S. Court Curbs F.C.C. Authority on Web Traffic (Net Neturality) [Re: highdroponics]
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Sounds like the fcc is fighting for an open internet which i support so not me.

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Re: U.S. Court Curbs F.C.C. Authority on Web Traffic (Net Neturality) [Re: JohnP]
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skatardude10 said:
Sounds like the fcc is fighting for an open internet which i support so not me.



Yeah from the tiny bit I read, thats what I got but usally the FCC is :thumbdown: at least according to Eminem.

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Re: U.S. Court Curbs F.C.C. Authority on Web Traffic (Net Neturality) [Re: BirdsIView]
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all i care about is my porn. please, god, dont let them take it.


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Re: U.S. Court Curbs F.C.C. Authority on Web Traffic (Net Neturality) [Re: Deltron3030]
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How about your money?  That is what they are after


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Re: U.S. Court Curbs F.C.C. Authority on Web Traffic (Net Neturality) [Re: DirtMcgirt]
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sometimes the FCC is retarded.

this is not one of those times..

even though they usually fuck up the truth, i would really like to see a bit on Net Neutrality from MSM just to get people informed.


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Re: U.S. Court Curbs F.C.C. Authority on Web Traffic (Net Neturality) [Re: frith]
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Hopefully congress fixes this shit, someone needs to regulate enforce net neutrality.


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Re: U.S. Court Curbs F.C.C. Authority on Web Traffic (Net Neturality) [Re: fapjack]
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fapjack said:
Hopefully congress fixes this shit, someone needs to regulate enforce net neutrality.


Enforcing is never okay :shrug:


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Re: U.S. Court Curbs F.C.C. Authority on Web Traffic (Net Neturality) [Re: Maurer]
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Maurer said:
fapjack said:
Hopefully congress fixes this shit, someone needs to regulate enforce net neutrality.


Enforcing is never okay :shrug:



thats one hell of a blanket statement..


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Re: U.S. Court Curbs F.C.C. Authority on Web Traffic (Net Neturality) [Re: frith]
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Do you want an internet that is as limited as TV or radio?


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Re: U.S. Court Curbs F.C.C. Authority on Web Traffic (Net Neturality) [Re: fapjack]
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Honestly though the way the article portrays how the FCC went at this. I would have to agree. If a company lays down the physical infrastructure and provides a service, there is no reason they can't regulate their service as they deem fit. you aren't forced to buy their service, you choose to. you may be limited in what you can get in your area but thats not their fault. i am open to net neutrality, however like it was discussed they might have to make it similar to a utility to allow this.

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Re: U.S. Court Curbs F.C.C. Authority on Web Traffic (Net Neturality) [Re: relativexistance]
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So based on that logic, they should also be able to restrict you to only see pages that they deem fit.  A lot of these cable companies have a monopoly on broadband internet in certain areas.  Letting them do what they want to control the internet is not a good thing, its a very bad thing.  Don't fuck with something that isn't broken, the internet is fine the way it is and those greedy fucks need to keep their hands off of it because this could potentially open up a can of worms.


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Re: U.S. Court Curbs F.C.C. Authority on Web Traffic (Net Neturality) [Re: fapjack]
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Can someone define net neutrality for me??


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Re: U.S. Court Curbs F.C.C. Authority on Web Traffic (Net Neturality) [Re: deCypher]
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Mr. Cypher said:
Can someone define net neutrality for me??



cable companies (comcast is the biggest one pushing for this) are trying to introduce a teired structure on internet access similar to tv networks.

if you want to go to a particular site (say google) and that is deemed a "premium" site you would have to pay extra for access to that information the same way you would upgrade your tv service to get HBO or Showtime.

Net Neutrality is legislation introduced by the FCC that would make this type of teired structure illegal as it inhibits the free flow of information.

comcast, obviously, want the teired structure because it will give them the ability to charge more for what we already have and simultaneously spin it as cost saving options to the consumer.


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Re: U.S. Court Curbs F.C.C. Authority on Web Traffic (Net Neturality) [Re: fapjack]
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i didnt say that they should be able to restrict content, but current as its run if a private corp provides an infrastructure and service i think they should be able to determine their terms. you aren't FORCED to buy into their service. it is your decision. they provide a service that you enjoy, you aren't entitled to using their service. get off your high horse, they set shit up not you. if you want to use their shit then abid by their terms. additionally like i said before there should be a reform which goes somewhat with the freedom of information act, however the internet is not yet included in that.

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Re: U.S. Court Curbs F.C.C. Authority on Web Traffic (Net Neturality) [Re: relativexistance]
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relativexistance said:
you aren't FORCED to buy into their service.



in some places you are forced to. its either that or dialup.

broadband penetration in the US isnt high enough to be able to restrict access to anyone. even if it was thats fucked up. the people who can afford information have the ability to learn and the people who cant afford it are left in ignorance.

taking information away from people is NEVER a good idea no matter how you look at it.


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Re: U.S. Court Curbs F.C.C. Authority on Web Traffic (Net Neturality) [Re: relativexistance]
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If they want to throttle bittorrent traffic and restrict people's connections it is controlling what you can and can't see, and don't sell the shit as unlimited if it isn't.  This shit is about bit torrent btw.  I don't think it will change anything because of the free market, but it is quite possible for shit like this to have negative consequences some time down the line.  Also, its not like any of these ISPs own the internet, so they shouldn't be able to sell it.


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Re: U.S. Court Curbs F.C.C. Authority on Web Traffic (Net Neturality) [Re: frith]
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frith said:
Mr. Cypher said:
Can someone define net neutrality for me??



cable companies (comcast is the biggest one pushing for this) are trying to introduce a teired structure on internet access similar to tv networks.

if you want to go to a particular site (say google) and that is deemed a "premium" site you would have to pay extra for access to that information the same way you would upgrade your tv service to get HBO or Showtime.

Net Neutrality is legislation introduced by the FCC that would make this type of teired structure illegal as it inhibits the free flow of information.

comcast, obviously, want the teired structure because it will give them the ability to charge more for what we already have and simultaneously spin it as cost saving options to the consumer.



As in, they would deny users access to a already-existing site that is gonna be changed to premium labeling, or any future sites that are labeled premium will be pay-only?


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Re: U.S. Court Curbs F.C.C. Authority on Web Traffic (Net Neturality) [Re: frith]
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frith said:
relativexistance said:
you aren't FORCED to buy into their service.



in some places you are forced to. its either that or dialup.

broadband penetration in the US isnt high enough to be able to restrict access to anyone. even if it was thats fucked up. the people who can afford information have the ability to learn and the people who cant afford it are left in ignorance.

taking information away from people is NEVER a good idea no matter how you look at it.



meh, man's got a point.  You can live without internet, it's a privilege, not a right. :shrug:

Although I do wish web neutrality was the way it was of course.

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