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Re: Why is science a liberal enterprise? [Re: urbanfarmer]
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More often than not, those secure in their position will cut and paste the relevant info along with their link.

It's a small courtesy.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: Why is science a liberal enterprise? [Re: urbanfarmer]
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urbanfarmer said:
Yrat said:
a simple "i can't prove what i said" would have sufficed.


As would a "I have my head so far up my ass I can't read 2 paragraphs on wikipedia".

Here is the very first line on that page:
Quote:
Radiocarbon dating, or carbon dating, is a radiometric dating method that uses the naturally occurring radioisotope carbon-14 (14C) to determine the age of carbonaceous materials up to about 58,000 to 62,000 years. Raw, i.e. uncalibrated, radiocarbon ages are usually reported in radiocarbon years "Before Present" (BP), "Present" being defined as AD 1950. Such raw ages can be calibrated to give calendar dates.


If you had any interest whatsoever in increasing your stock of knowledge, you could continue to see why that limit currently exists, what the past limits were, and the statistical solutions that extended the limit to 50ishK from the earlier limits.

Apparently spending your time attacking someone (who is on your side) on a political forum gives you warm comfort in your intentional ignorance?



thank you for finally providing what i was requesting all along, and which for some reason you couldn't do up until now.


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to one who is striking at the root."
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Re: Why is science a liberal enterprise? [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said:
Yep.  But you can indict the practitioner without indicting the process, which seems to work itself out eventually within the scientfic community.



when the process is part of the problem I think holding it to scrutiny is an appropriate action


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Re: Why is science a liberal enterprise? [Re: Yrat]
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Yrat said:
urbanfarmer said:
Yrat said:
a simple "i can't prove what i said" would have sufficed.


As would a "I have my head so far up my ass I can't read 2 paragraphs on wikipedia".

Here is the very first line on that page:
Quote:
Radiocarbon dating, or carbon dating, is a radiometric dating method that uses the naturally occurring radioisotope carbon-14 (14C) to determine the age of carbonaceous materials up to about 58,000 to 62,000 years. Raw, i.e. uncalibrated, radiocarbon ages are usually reported in radiocarbon years "Before Present" (BP), "Present" being defined as AD 1950. Such raw ages can be calibrated to give calendar dates.


If you had any interest whatsoever in increasing your stock of knowledge, you could continue to see why that limit currently exists, what the past limits were, and the statistical solutions that extended the limit to 50ishK from the earlier limits.

Apparently spending your time attacking someone (who is on your side) on a political forum gives you warm comfort in your intentional ignorance?



thank you for finally providing what i was requesting all along, and which for some reason you couldn't do up until now.


Uh, no.  I provided what you asked many posts previous to this, but you were too arrogant to click and read.

Someday you might also consider UTFSE.

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Re: Why is science a liberal enterprise? [Re: urbanfarmer]
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you clearly don't understand the concepts of simple debate.  good day sir.


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Re: Why is science a liberal enterprise? [Re: Yrat]
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There are a bunch of good posts in here. Let me ask though, why is it that science is not introduced alongside religion is upper public education? It appears that science and religion can have similar, or at least comparable explanations, for the beginning of life, something out of nothing. I do however agree that religion is static while science changes over time. Because of this I think that at some point religious education must be diverted into it's own subject which could hypothetically include evolutionary theory. Is it really impossible to teach science out of the context of evolution?


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Re: Why is science a liberal enterprise? [Re: Yrat]
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Yrat said:
you clearly don't understand the concepts of simple debate.  good day sir.


This is a debate?  I thought it was providing you an answer to your question, posed 2 pages back.

You clearly don't understand the concepts of science, research, civility, or even urls.

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Re: Why is science a liberal enterprise? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said:
zappaisgod said:
Yep.  But you can indict the practitioner without indicting the process, which seems to work itself out eventually within the scientfic community.



when the process is part of the problem I think holding it to scrutiny is an appropriate action


The process is most certaiinly not part of the problem.  Corruption of the process by dishonest actors is.


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Re: Why is science a liberal enterprise? [Re: Deekay]
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It appears that science and religion can have similar, or at least comparable explanations, for the beginning of life, something out of nothing


The major religions do not claim 'something out of nothing'.  They claim that life was created by god - 'something out of something'.  There is no proof - you are expected to take that fact on faith.  Science makes no such claims and doesn't require faith.  When it comes to before the big bang, science says I don't know.  If you don't believe something, you are welcome to test it and prove/disprove it to yourself.


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No knowledge can be certain, if it is not based
upon mathematics or upon some other knowledge
which is itself based upon the mathematical
sciences.  -Leonardo da Vinci (1425-1519)

Speak well of your enemies.  After all, you made them.

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Re: Why is science a liberal enterprise? [Re: pothead_bob]
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i wish the republicans would drop their christian base and move towards a more secular platform based on classical liberalism. if they embraced scientific ideas, and social freedoms while actually sticking to their ideas of small government and states rights, they would be a party that could remain strong for a while.


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Re: Why is science a liberal enterprise? [Re: Deltron3030]
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Yes.


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Re: Why is science a liberal enterprise? [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said:
Prisoner#1 said:
zappaisgod said:
Yep.  But you can indict the practitioner without indicting the process, which seems to work itself out eventually within the scientfic community.



when the process is part of the problem I think holding it to scrutiny is an appropriate action


The process is most certaiinly not part of the problem.  Corruption of the process by dishonest actors is.



the process allows for that corruption to exist


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Re: Why is science a liberal enterprise? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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if they embraced scientific ideas, and social freedoms while actually sticking to their ideas of small government and states rights, they would be a party that could remain strong for a while.


Yea, but when has that ever been their platform?  They create bigger government, more rules for the rest of us to follow, and deny state's rights, as shown by all the DEA raids of medical mj clinics over the preceding 8 years.  If they abandoned the christian base, they would have no chance of winning any elections, because there's not enough super rich tax evaders to ever get them elected.  They have to pretend to be against such things as gay rights, abortion, personal responsibility, etc., in order to win elections.  That's the system.
RR


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Re: Why is science a liberal enterprise? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said:
zappaisgod said:
Prisoner#1 said:
zappaisgod said:
Yep.  But you can indict the practitioner without indicting the process, which seems to work itself out eventually within the scientfic community.



when the process is part of the problem I think holding it to scrutiny is an appropriate action


The process is most certaiinly not part of the problem.  Corruption of the process by dishonest actors is.



the process allows for that corruption to exist


No, being human allows for that.  Misusing a firearm does not indict the firearm.


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Re: Why is science a liberal enterprise? [Re: zappaisgod]
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Liberal "science"?

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article6991177.ece
http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/01/28/save-rainforest-climate-change-scandal-chopped-facts/
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/climatechange/7111525/UN-climate-change-panel-based-claims-on-student-dissertation-and-magazine-article.html

And that's just the tip of the iceberg.

Several of these people have admitted they allowed faux science to go unchallenged because they didn't want the message to get "confused". 

Years ago I did a construction job on a sheltered workshop.  The work was overseen by a flagrant crook but everything had to be approved by the board.  I couldn't figure out how he did it until one day when there was a tour by the board.  Every single person on the board was a current or former client of the workshop.  That's what the "peer" review on global warming reminds me of.  Retards supervising crooks.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/01/10/un-ipcc-chief-pachauri-under-fire-in-india-for-conflicts-of-interest/
Why would anyone put an economist in charge of a scientific investigation unless they weren't interested in the science in the first place?


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Re: Why is science a liberal enterprise? [Re: zappaisgod]
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More links to liberal science can be found here.
http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/archives/013242.html


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Re: Why is science a liberal enterprise? [Re: RogerRabbit]
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RogerRabbit said:
Quote:
if they embraced scientific ideas, and social freedoms while actually sticking to their ideas of small government and states rights, they would be a party that could remain strong for a while.


Yea, but when has that ever been their platform?  They create bigger government, more rules for the rest of us to follow, and deny state's rights, as shown by all the DEA raids of medical mj clinics over the preceding 8 years.  If they abandoned the christian base, they would have no chance of winning any elections, because there's not enough super rich tax evaders to ever get them elected.  They have to pretend to be against such things as gay rights, abortion, personal responsibility, etc., in order to win elections.  That's the system.
RR


Playing loose with the facts again I see. Do you recall, care or are you honest enough to admit that the Dems took full control of Congress in 2006? And how about the last year while they had a veto proof majority? Did they do anything to champion the causes you pretend to support?

Nope. But I'd expect nothing better from you.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: Why is science a liberal enterprise? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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That and the stupid thing about tax evaders.  If they were so good at evading taxes how come 5% of the population pays most of the taxes?  You know who the super tax evaders are?  The bottom 50% who pay almost nothing.


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Re: Why is science a liberal enterprise? [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said:
That and the stupid thing about tax evaders.  If they were so good at evading taxes how come 5% of the population pays most of the taxes?  You know who the super tax evaders are?  The bottom 50% who pay almost nothing.


Yes. It'd be interesting to see how the bottom 50% vote.

Gosh! Someone already figured it out.

What a surprise!


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: Why is science a liberal enterprise? [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said:
Prisoner#1 said:
zappaisgod said:
Prisoner#1 said:
when the process is part of the problem I think holding it to scrutiny is an appropriate action


The process is most certaiinly not part of the problem.  Corruption of the process by dishonest actors is.



the process allows for that corruption to exist


No, being human allows for that.  Misusing a firearm does not indict the firearm.


no, it indicts the firearm manufacturer just like the smokers that sued
the cigarette manufacturers for the choices they'd made to smoke

people will exploit what they can, this peer review process is open to
exploitation, as I mentioned, botanists shouldnt be the reviewers for
quantum physics papers but the system in place allows for it therefore
the system is flawed


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