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Solaris for desktop ?
    #11371806 - 11/02/09 08:56 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

I've been dabbling in newbie-friendly OS's like Ubuntu and PC-BSD.


Solaris has peaked my interest, from reading that it's the closest thing to "actual Unix".


What do you think of it, as far as a desktop OS?













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Re: Solaris ? [Re: Robo Shaman]
    #11371836 - 11/02/09 09:01 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

as far as a dektop os its not really fitted to that purpose, however, as far as unix variants go sunos is hands down my favorite, it has a real old school feel to it


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Re: Solaris ? [Re: Robo Shaman]
    #11371900 - 11/02/09 09:10 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

I use OpenSolaris for my home server.  It doesnt support nearly as much hardware as Linux but in general is pretty user friendly.  The command line isn't harder really.  You get ZFS which is years beyond the Linux file systems at the moment, though if you dont have multiple hard drives it doesn't matter


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Re: Solaris ? [Re: clorox]
    #11372156 - 11/02/09 09:51 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

IDK looking at screenshots it has the same GNOME interface I'm familiar with from Ubuntu.

And I can get the same basic stuff like VLC, torrent client, firefox, email, and openoffice can't I ?  :shrug:



http://www.mplayerhq.hu/images/screenshots/Solaris-03.jpg


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Re: Solaris ? [Re: Chespirito]
    #11372166 - 11/02/09 09:53 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

you can but hardware support isnt as good.

Solaris is nice for what it was intended to do. that being said, its intent isnt the desktop, its the server market.

if you want something thats closer to the old school unix style of doing things, and still is still well suited for the desktop, id say slackware is your best bet. i ran ubuntu for a few months and got bored with it. slackware taught me what i know today.


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Re: Solaris ? [Re: frith]
    #11381049 - 11/04/09 02:02 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

I couldnt find a whole lotta stuff on google for it being used for desktop, despite the cool screenshots. So I'll take you guys word for it. I was just curious.

I think Slackware may be a little out of my league right now sir. :grin:


I will stick to my newbie pcBSD for the time being. Maybe one day I'll know enough to set up freeBSD to my liking, who knows. I was just looking for something instead of Gnu-Linux, and maybe get close to "Unix" Unix if that even means anything.  :justdontknow:


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Re: Solaris ? [Re: Robo Shaman]
    #11381217 - 11/04/09 02:47 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

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Ombient said:
I think Slackware may be a little out of my league right now sir. :grin:





hehe.. honestly Slackware isnt as bad as most make it out to be. its gotten a hell of a lot easier the last 2 or 3 years.

running slackware as early as i did was a little rough at times. it took me a little while at first. but i had the right people around me to help out when i was lost. it was really nice. after a month or 2 youre good to go with any linux distro out there. def glad i did it.


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Re: Solaris ? [Re: frith]
    #11387211 - 11/04/09 10:06 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

It's an operating system, just like the rest of them. They are all pretty much the same as far as unix is regarded these days.

Linux does support alot more hardware, so it will be easier for you to get your computer configured. Linux is much more user friendly than in the past, and for this reason I think it's alot harder to learn linux naturally.

Alot of the software you find for linux you will find for Solaris or BSD...it's just a matter of getting it to run, and that takes some frustrating work -- the kind that gives you good experience.

I don't really see how one linux distro is out of your league if you are already running another. These are not mythological creatures, just software varients.

I would recommend a FreeBSD installation, and rebuilding the kernel to compliment your hardware. I think you will be quite happy with its performance, ease of package management, and a pretty straight forward install. You just need to not be dumb, if you can navigate through BIOS you will be able to nav thru bsd install.

Whatever you decide to do, there are lots of unix heads here to help


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Re: Solaris ? [Re: tak]
    #11387376 - 11/04/09 10:26 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

im not sure how package management works with Solaris and ive only really played around with ports.

Slackware doesnt track dependencies. thats a big one for a lot of people. once you get used to it its not so bad and you have a very stable system. it just takes a little more elbow grease to get things rollings..

if anyone is going to run slackware make sure you get sbopkg. its basically a frontend to slackbuilds.org. makes things really easy.


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Re: Solaris ? [Re: frith]
    #11388146 - 11/05/09 12:31 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

openSolaris uses a packaging system that's very similar to apt in debian called pkg. I'm a huge fan of opensolaris because of the consistency of documentation (like BSD), ZFS, and a some other cool features. The community is awesome too, depending on where you live, there is generally a TON of old school unix heads that are willing to help you out with things you don't understand at you're local OSUG.
I use it on my home laptop and it's great. hit me up if you have any questions.


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Re: Solaris for desktop ? *DELETED* [Re: Robo Shaman]
    #11394200 - 11/05/09 11:16 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Solaris for desktop ? [Re: fushock]
    #11394275 - 11/05/09 11:26 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

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Solaris is Unix. But I guess OS X is now too.




unfortunately you cant really take advantage of the *nix layer of osx too much. cocoa is like a giant java environment.

macports and fink try to do what they can but its not the greatest.

debian is ok. Arch is my favorite :smile:


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Re: Solaris ? [Re: abetterlie]
    #11394453 - 11/05/09 11:52 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

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openSolaris uses a packaging system that's very similar to apt in debian called pkg. I'm a huge fan of opensolaris because of the consistency of documentation (like BSD), ZFS, and a some other cool features. The community is awesome too, depending on where you live, there is generally a TON of old school unix heads that are willing to help you out with things you don't understand at you're local OSUG.
I use it on my home laptop and it's great. hit me up if you have any questions.




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Re: Solaris for desktop ? [Re: frith]
    #11399834 - 11/06/09 07:13 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

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frith said:
Arch is my favorite :smile:




a fellow arch user i see!!!  by far my favorite distro out of over a dozen i have tried, including slackware...

peace

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Re: Solaris for desktop ? [Re: frith]
    #11400167 - 11/06/09 08:12 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

> unfortunately you cant really take advantage of the *nix layer of osx too much. cocoa is like a giant java environment.

I would love to see you back up these absurd claims.


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Re: Solaris for desktop ? [Re: Seuss]
    #11400217 - 11/06/09 08:22 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

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> unfortunately you cant really take advantage of the *nix layer of osx too much. cocoa is like a giant java environment.

I would love to see you back up these absurd claims.




osx applications interface with cocoa, not darwin directly.
java applications interface with jave runtime environment, not *nix or the base of any other os directly.


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Re: Solaris for desktop ? [Re: frith]
    #11418056 - 11/09/09 01:09 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

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osx applications interface with cocoa, not darwin directly.
java applications interface with jave runtime environment, not *nix or the base of any other os directly.




What about Java applications on OS X?

I don't know, I write command line apps all the time that dont use cocoa. Cocoa, if I recall, is one of the many possible ways if building a GUI in OS X. When you say "Using Unix", do you mean posix? System calls? I think you are confusing the X windows system that runs on top of most variants of Unix with Unix.

That's just what I think. Im no GUI programmer. I am just a lowly Perl data munger.


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Re: Solaris for desktop ? [Re: fushock]
    #11418477 - 11/09/09 02:19 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

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fushock said:
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osx applications interface with cocoa, not darwin directly.
java applications interface with jave runtime environment, not *nix or the base of any other os directly.




What about Java applications on OS X?

I don't know, I write command line apps all the time that dont use cocoa. Cocoa, if I recall, is one of the many possible ways if building a GUI in OS X.




cocoa isnt the only way to do gui applications on osx, just the most common nowadays.



X11 on osx (for the most part) bypasses cocoa/java/etc as much as it can.

and i used to use console applications all the time that didnt use cocoa (like mpd and irssi). after a while i was like.. why even bother trying to hack around with this horribly inflexible system.. im running linux. the rest was history :smile:


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