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linux/unix desktop environments and window managers
    #4882650 - 11/02/05 08:51 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

which do you prefer?

i've tried KDE, GNOME, fluxbox, and xcfe.

i prefer KDE for the most part. people tell me it's bloated. i don't get it. maybe a little bit... i use fluxbox when performance is a priority, but the difference seems pretty small, and worth it for KDE's functionality and looks most of the time. i never got into GNOME.


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Re: linux/unix desktop environments and window managers [Re: wilshire]
    #4882663 - 11/02/05 08:58 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

I did a framerate check of Quake 4 under "failsafe" (an Xterm with no real window manager running) and under "KDE". Failsafe got 42 fps while KDE got 40 fps. I don't think KDE really sucks that much juice.


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Re: linux/unix desktop environments and window managers [Re: wilshire]
    #4882911 - 11/02/05 11:12 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

I use Gnome. I've breifly used KDE.

I don't really have reason, it's just what I'm used to. I'd try Predator's suggestion, but it sounds significantly different - like, it might be better, eventually, but it'd take a while to get used to.


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Re: linux/unix desktop environments and window managers [Re: wilshire]
    #4882912 - 11/02/05 11:14 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

I prefer gnome.
kde is too much...eyecandy...for me.



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Re: linux/unix desktop environments and window managers [Re: Vvellum]
    #4883879 - 11/02/05 03:53 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Ion, why do a mere 1 thing at a time when you can do as many as you want?


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Re: linux/unix desktop environments and window managers [Re: ThePredator]
    #4884079 - 11/02/05 04:50 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

I would rather use a straight console with no WM than use a barebone WM like Ion. I mean Ion is alright, but so is fluxbox, openbox, windowmaker, etc... I used Ratpoison for a long time. I finally decided that if I am using an interface it should be a complete interface with a proper file manager. The difference in resource use is minimal. When using a straight console most of your resources are idle...so why the fuck did I build this near supercomputer behemoth if I am not going to utilize it's resources? I use KDE (though I do like gnome also)because it is a total solution. I will say that when they polish up e17 I will be on the wagon. I ran it for a while installed from elive and I thought it was awesome...but it had a few annoying bugs.


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Re: linux/unix desktop environments and window managers [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #4884363 - 11/02/05 06:08 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

I've been using Enlightenment 16 for years, and I accept no substitute. I'm really excited about E17, but I'm waiting for it to get into more polished form before I upgrade.


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Re: linux/unix desktop environments and window managers [Re: wilshire]
    #4893271 - 11/04/05 12:39 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

i run gnome. kde... ran it for a while on a knoppix set-up that i built, but i didn't like it at all.



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Re: linux/unix desktop environments and window managers [Re: Krishna]
    #4911727 - 11/09/05 12:22 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

mine:



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Re: linux/unix desktop environments and window managers [Re: wilshire]
    #4997285 - 11/30/05 03:28 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

i'm giving GNOME a try again. i'm liking it so far actually. i may just switch. it's better supported by my distribution and most of the stuff i use are GTK apps.


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Re: linux/unix desktop environments and window managers [Re: wilshire]
    #4997312 - 11/30/05 03:50 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

gnome is where it's at with ubuntu.


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Re: linux/unix desktop environments and window managers [Re: wilshire]
    #4999052 - 11/30/05 05:41 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

I used to swear by fluxbox, but when I tried DroplineGnome for slackware I decided to give gnome a try. I enjoyed the minimalism of fluxbox but gnome isn't too much by any means. And obviously it's as customizeable as you want it to be, but that goes without saying ...

I prefer the look and feel of gnome to kde as well.


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Re: linux/unix desktop environments and window managers [Re: abhi]
    #4999098 - 11/30/05 05:48 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

i think i may be a gnome convert.


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Re: linux/unix desktop environments and window managers [Re: wilshire]
    #4999826 - 11/30/05 08:34 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

alright. i think i'm gonna stick with gnome for a little while and see how it goes.

one major hitch so far:

sound.

i used to have problems with sound in KDE until i started using aRts for everything. after that, no sound problems.

using gnome, i'm getting the same kind of sound problems i used to get on KDE long ago. processes blocking the soundcare from other processes, weird behavior when opening .mo3s.... what do you do for sound in gnome? i had sound working flawlessly in KDE just by using aRts. it's all fucked up in gnome.


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Re: linux/unix desktop environments and window managers [Re: wilshire]
    #5000151 - 11/30/05 09:50 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

I use alsa ... always have and I've never tried anything else.

This is what I do in slackware:
http://shilo.is-a-geek.com/sound10.html


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Re: linux/unix desktop environments and window managers [Re: wilshire]
    #5000159 - 11/30/05 09:52 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

I'm not all that technical, so when it comes to choosing, I just went with looks. Gnome is ugly as shit. I tried dressing it up all nice. It was still shit. KDE is beautiful and elegant and is easier for me to use.

wilshire, that is beautiful! what app do you use for your dock?


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Re: linux/unix desktop environments and window managers [Re: abhi]
    #5000161 - 11/30/05 09:53 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

i fixed it using the unofficial 5.04 guide. works fine now. just had to edit a couple files. that's the sort of thing that should be working correctly by default by now. hopefully it'll be fixed in dapper.

i think having the sound previews on in nautilus made things a little flakey too.


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Re: linux/unix desktop environments and window managers [Re: Gijith]
    #5000182 - 11/30/05 09:59 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

that KDE desktop isn't using anything special to look like that. i just set the panel to the smallest width and told it to 'expand to fit contents'. i added a little transparency to the panel and menus. you can do all of that without special software through KDE's configuration tools.

right now i'm using gnome. it's supported a heck of a lot better (for now) on ubuntu and most of the apps i use are GTK. firefox, gaim, thunderbird, nicotine, synaptic... they all look better when running gnome.

current desktop:



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Re: linux/unix desktop environments and window managers [Re: Gijith]
    #5000198 - 11/30/05 10:03 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Gijith said:
I'm not all that technical, so when it comes to choosing, I just went with looks. Gnome is ugly as shit. I tried dressing it up all nice. It was still shit.




http://art.gnome.org/themes


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Re: linux/unix desktop environments and window managers [Re: Vvellum]
    #5000354 - 11/30/05 10:44 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

That's what I tried dressing it up with. No matter how much gloss I added, it still seemed off. kde seems more integrated. Also, I do like kde apps better. amarok, konqueror, kopete, KTorrent. They're all great.


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Re: linux/unix desktop environments and window managers [Re: Gijith]
    #5000537 - 11/30/05 11:38 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

cool.
I was into kde, but I have been attracted to simplicity of gnome.
I'm not into eye-candy so much anymore
and I find kde to be slightly tacky.
gnome is just....plain and simple.
+ as wilshire pointed out, gnome fits in ubuntu better (which I use).
eventually I'd like to try open/fluxbox or some
of the other lightweight windowmanagers.
but for now, gnome :heart:


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Re: linux/unix desktop environments and window managers [Re: Vvellum]
    #5131539 - 01/02/06 04:52 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

after using GNOME now for a little over a month, i think i can say that i'll be using it as my default desktop well into the future.

it's simpler and it works well. firefox, thunderbird, gaim, and nicotine are all gtk and work faster and look better on gnome. the only qt app i use is k3b. i always thought that gnome was ugly. i've got a gnome desktop right now that i think looks great. i'm staying.

i am going to try this when it is released though:

http://plasma.kde.org/


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Re: linux/unix desktop environments and window managers [Re: wilshire]
    #5133763 - 01/03/06 02:05 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

i use fluxbox if i am running a window manager. the reason i gravitated to it easier than most people is because even when i ran windows XP, i used blackbox for windows (bb4win). i like the idea of setting up up from scratch with exactly what i use.... no more, no less. i like the ease of writing the menus to behaive exactly how i like them to. also, being a gentoo'r, i am quite used to working with the command line. i have alt+z as the shortcut to bring up an xterm that runs as my background so i can keep an eye on everything i have logging or working on via the active command line background.

just my 2 cents

btw, here is a good wiki for setting up fluxbox. like all things gentoo, it will force you to learn how to work with it and get a good foundation on how to make it exactly what you like.
http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Fluxbox


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Re: linux/unix desktop environments and window managers [Re: automan]
    #5134210 - 01/03/06 09:30 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

I am interested in fluxbox. I have it installed and I'm learning how to configure it. now, what are your thoughts on openbox?


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Re: linux/unix desktop environments and window managers [Re: Vvellum]
    #5134622 - 01/03/06 01:39 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

i have never used it. i had no reason to try it since i was happy with fluxbox.


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Re: linux/unix desktop environments and window managers [Re: automan]
    #5135014 - 01/03/06 03:46 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

I gave fluxbox a try just to see what all the fuss is about, but I really don't see the appeal. I can't find anything it does that enlightenment doesn't do, and enlightenment looks nicer too.


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Re: linux/unix desktop environments and window managers [Re: automan]
    #5135042 - 01/03/06 03:53 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

automan said:
i use fluxbox if i am running a window manager. the reason i gravitated to it easier than most people is because even when i ran windows XP, i used blackbox for windows (bb4win). i like the idea of setting up up from scratch with exactly what i use.... no more, no less. i like the ease of writing the menus to behaive exactly how i like them to. also, being a gentoo'r, i am quite used to working with the command line. i have alt+z as the shortcut to bring up an xterm that runs as my background so i can keep an eye on everything i have logging or working on via the active command line background.






could i check out your entry in ./fluxbox/keys to do this?


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Re: linux/unix desktop environments and window managers [Re: sherm]
    #5136045 - 01/03/06 08:45 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

this is my keys:
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Mod1 Tab :NextWindow
Mod1 Shift Tab :PrevWindow
Mod1 F1 :Workspace 1
Mod1 F2 :Workspace 2
Mod1 F3 :Workspace 3
Mod1 F4 :Workspace 4
Mod1 F5 :Workspace 5
Mod1 F6 :Workspace 6
Mod1 F7 :Workspace 7
Mod1 F8 :Workspace 8
Mod1 F9 :Workspace 9
Mod1 F10 :Workspace 10
Mod1 F11 :Workspace 11
Mod1 F12 :Workspace 12
Mod1 f :ExecCommand firefox
Mod1 o :ExecCommand oowriter
Mod1 v :ExecCommand Eterm -name alsa -e alsamixer
Mod1 r :ExecCommand fbrun
Mod4 m :Minimize
mod4 c :Close
Mod1 a :ExecCommand aterm -name aterm -sl 3000 -tr +sb -sr -sk -bg black -fg white -fade 90 -bl -tn xterm -fn -misc-fixed-medium-r-normal-*-*-120-*-*-c-*-iso8859-15 -g 116x57
Mod1 s :ExecCommand aterm -name aterm -sl 3000 -tr +sb -sr -sk -bg black -fg white -fade 90 -bl -tn xterm -fn -misc-fixed-medium-r-normal-*-*-120-*-*-c-*-iso8859-15 -g 116x57 -e -su -





this is my menu:
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[begin] (Automan)
[exec] (xterm) {xterm}
[exec] (konqueror) {konqueror}
[exec] () {} execname is NULL; cannot lookup
[submenu] (Internet)
[exec] (firefox) {firefox}
[exec] (gaim) {gaim}
[exec] (xchat) {xchat-2}
[end]
[submenu] (Office)
[submenu] (OpenOffice)
[exec] (oocalc) {oocalc}
[exec] (oodraw) {oodraw}
[exec] (ooimpress) {ooimpress}
[exec] (oomath) {oomath}
[exec] (ooweb) {ooweb}
[exec] (oowriter) {oowriter}
[end]
[submenu] (Editors)
[exec] (kwrite) {kwrite}
[exec] (xedit) {xedit}
[exec] (nano) {xterm -e nano}
[exec] (The Gimp) {gimp-2.2}
[end]
[end]
[submenu] (Multimedia)
[exec] (k3b) {k3b}
[exec] (xmms) {xmms} </usr/share/pixmaps/xmms.xpm>
[end]
[submenu] (System)
[submenu] (Terminals)
[exec] (xterm) {xterm}
[exec] (aterm) {aterm}
[end]
[submenu] (Monitors)
[exec] (torsmo) {torsmo}
[exec] (gkrellm2) {gkrellm2}
[end]
[submenu] (X-utils)
[exec] (xfontsel) {xfontsel}
[exec] (xman) {xman}
[exec] (xeyes) {xeyes}
[exec] (xload) {xload}
[exec] (editres) {editres}
[exec] (viewres) {viewres}
[exec] (xclock) {xclock}
[exec] (xmag) {xmag}
[exec] (xcalc) {xcalc}
[exec] (xpdf) {xpdf}
[exec] (Reload .Xdefaults) {xrdb -load /var/tmp/portage/fluxbox-0.9.13-r1/temp/home/.Xdefaults}
[end]
[end]
[submenu] (Interests)
[exec] (Speaker Design) {gspeakers}
[submenu] (Games)
[exec] (kbounce) {kbounce}
[end]
[end]
[submenu] (Networking)
[exec] (samba gui) {smb4k}
[end]
[submenu] (fluxbox menu)
[config] (Configure)
[submenu] (Styles)
[include] (/usr/share/fluxbox/menu.d/styles/)
[end]
[workspaces] (Workspace List)
[submenu] (Tools)
[exec] (Window name) {xprop WM_CLASS|cut -d \" -f 2|xmessage -file - -center}
[end]
[commanddialog] (Fluxbox Command)
[reconfig] (Reload config)
[restart] (Restart)
[exec] (About) {(fluxbox -v; fluxbox -info | sed 1d) 2> /dev/null | xmessage -file - -center}
[separator]
[exit] (Exit)
[end]
[end]





here is a pic for ya:


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Re: linux/unix desktop environments and window managers [Re: wilshire]
    #5140653 - 01/04/06 10:37 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

enlightenment


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Re: linux/unix desktop environments and window managers [Re: Vampire999]
    #5140771 - 01/04/06 11:03 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

my not ugly gnome desktop:



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Re: linux/unix desktop environments and window managers [Re: Vampire999]
    #5141502 - 01/05/06 01:19 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

are you using DR16 or DR17?

looks interesting.


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Re: linux/unix desktop environments and window managers [Re: wilshire]
    #5142712 - 01/05/06 12:43 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

how did you get that os-x style panel in the bottom? i've been able to get a similar thing running on kde (can't remember the apps name right now...), but for gnome am only able to add panels to the four sides of the screen, and they can't have a transparent background


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Re: linux/unix desktop environments and window managers [Re: Krishna]
    #5142736 - 01/05/06 12:49 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: linux/unix desktop environments and window managers [Re: wilshire]
    #5142874 - 01/05/06 01:36 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

cool thanks :smile:


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