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If you think hip hop is dead, then you sir, are a fool
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Lots of people think hop hop is done, that after the 90's everything went to shit. Sure there are underground heads who will preach about Deltron, MF DOOM, and Jedi Mind Tricks all day, but I'm talking about mainstream rap.
Of course there's garbage (and a lot of it), but radio stations and music channels are starting to realize that everyone's tired of "club rap" and because of that, they're giving new and talented artists play time and exposure. Here's a few quality artists with mainstream appeal that are making it.


Jay Electronica - Eternal Sunshine


J. Cole - Dead Presidents II


Wale ft. CurrenSy - Wordplay


Jay Electronica - Exhibit A


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Re: If you think hip hop is dead, then you sir, are a fool [Re: skunkape]
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music doesn't die it multiplies


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Re: If you think hip hop is dead, then you sir, are a fool [Re: Shroomism]
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Mobb Deep
Rhymefest
The Foreign Exchange
Tanya Morgan
9th Wonder
Oj Da Juiceman
The Diplomats
Murs
Andre Nickatina
Dead Prez
Pete Rock
Talib Kweli
Nipsy Hussle
Raekwon
Rakim
Living Legends

dude who said hip hop was dead its everywhere


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Re: If you think hip hop is dead, then you sir, are a fool [Re: learningtofly]
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deltron ftw.


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Re: If you think hip hop is dead, then you sir, are a fool [Re: skunkape]
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I don't think hip hop is dead, I just think it's a very low form of art.  The focus is the vocal element, which is essentially a toneless drone(rap) about subjects that are usually an ego posturing of some sort.

The music is usually all canned, looped and sampled and leaves zero room for improvisation of any sort, other than vocally(see paragraph 1).  Not that there would be anyone to improvise since it's really all about "the rhymes".

And this music is supposed to be about rhythm but show me a "hip-hop" track in a non-duple time and I will be genuinely surprised.  It always utilizies only the most basic, tired rhythms possible.

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Re: If you think hip hop is dead, then you sir, are a fool [Re: skunkape]
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Rap is the new hairmetal.


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Re: If you think hip hop is dead, then you sir, are a fool [Re: Deltron3030]
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seriously.  who said hip hop is dead?


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Re: If you think hip hop is dead, then you sir, are a fool *DELETED* [Re: DeadPhan]
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Re: If you think hip hop is dead, then you sir, are a fool [Re: DeadPhan]
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Some african american gentlemen with a funny name



:smilingpuppy:


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Re: If you think hip hop is dead, then you sir, are a fool [Re: Viveka]
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Viveka said:
I don't think hip hop is dead, I just think it's a very low form of art.  The focus is the vocal element, which is essentially a toneless drone(rap) about subjects that are usually an ego posturing of some sort.

The music is usually all canned, looped and sampled and leaves zero room for improvisation of any sort, other than vocally(see paragraph 1).  Not that there would be anyone to improvise since it's really all about "the rhymes".

And this music is supposed to be about rhythm but show me a "hip-hop" track in a non-duple time and I will be genuinely surprised.  It always utilizies only the most basic, tired rhythms possible.



what the fuck hip hop are you listening to?


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Re: If you think hip hop is dead, then you sir, are a fool [Re: learningtofly]
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learningtofly said:
Viveka said:
I don't think hip hop is dead, I just think it's a very low form of art.  The focus is the vocal element, which is essentially a toneless drone(rap) about subjects that are usually an ego posturing of some sort.

The music is usually all canned, looped and sampled and leaves zero room for improvisation of any sort, other than vocally(see paragraph 1).  Not that there would be anyone to improvise since it's really all about "the rhymes".

And this music is supposed to be about rhythm but show me a "hip-hop" track in a non-duple time and I will be genuinely surprised.  It always utilizies only the most basic, tired rhythms possible.



what the fuck hip hop are you listening to?



word.  i was tryin to figure out what to say in response to that....but urs prety much summed it up


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Re: If you think hip hop is dead, then you sir, are a fool [Re: DeadPhan]
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and i used to HATE hip hop when i was younger.  i was always pushin old school rock and like psychedelia type music.  jambands and what have you.  some reason i put up a wall against hip hop for a minute.  i think its cause alota kids i grew up with listened to shitty hip hop and were more or less shitty people that listened to it just to be cool.  just goin along with the trend. 
and i was always like, come on, you gota listen to this shit maaaan!
but, it didnt take too long before i figured it out.  in the company of actualy conscious people listening to some real shit.


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Re: If you think hip hop is dead, then you sir, are a fool [Re: DeadPhan]
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You obviously haven't heard anything decent if you think hip-hop consists of jacking off one's ego.

Quote:
I don't want no computer chip in my arm
I don't wanna die by a nuclear bomb
I say we all rush the pentagon, pull out guns
And grab the intercom, my first word's will be I believe
Man made God, outta ignorance and fear
If God made man, then why the hell would he put us here?
I thought he's supposed to be the all loving
The same God who let Hitler put the Jews in the oven
We don't fall for the regular shit, they try to feed us
All this half-ass leadership, flippin position
They turn politcian and shut the hell up and follow tradition
For your TV screen, is telling lies to your vision
Every channel got some brainwashed cop shit to watch
Running up in niggas cribs claiming that they heard shots
It's a plot, but busta can you tell me who's greedier?
Big corporations, the pigs or the media?
Sign of the times, terrorism on the rise
Commercial airplanes, falling out the sky like flies
Make me wonder what secrets went down with Bob Brown (?)
Who burnt churches to the ground with no evidence found?
It's not coincidence, it's been too many studied incidents
It coulda been the Klan who put that bomb at the Olympics
But it probably was the FBI, deep at the call
Cuz if they make us all panic then they can start martial law



EDIT: thats not directed at you deadphan sorry


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Re: If you think hip hop is dead, then you sir, are a fool [Re: learningtofly]
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My turn...



There's something in the way she moves
That attracts me like no other lover
Something in the way she moves me
I don't want to leave her now
You know I believe in how

There's something in the way she smiles
And all I have to do is think of her
Something in the way she smiles for me
I don't want to leave her now
You know I believe in how

Your asking me will my love grow
I don't know, no I don't know
Just stick around and let it show
I don't know, oh I don't know

There's something in the way she moves
That attracts me like no other lover
Something in the way she moves me
I don't want to leave her now
You know I believe in how

Your asking me will my love grow
I don't know, no I don't know
Just stick around and let it show
I don't know, oh I don't know

There's something in the way she smiles
And all I have to do is think of her
Something in the way she smiles for me
I don't want to leave her now
You know I believe in how



LOVETHIS SONG

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Re: If you think hip hop is dead, then you sir, are a fool [Re: P-O]
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the beatles aren't hip-hop :facepalm:


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Re: If you think hip hop is dead, then you sir, are a fool [Re: P-O]
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PostiveOutlook said:
My turn...



There's something in the way she moves
That attracts me like no other lover
Something in the way she moves me
I don't want to leave her now
You know I believe in how

There's something in the way she smiles
And all I have to do is think of her
Something in the way she smiles for me
I don't want to leave her now
You know I believe in how

Your asking me will my love grow
I don't know, no I don't know
Just stick around and let it show
I don't know, oh I don't know

There's something in the way she moves
That attracts me like no other lover
Something in the way she moves me
I don't want to leave her now
You know I believe in how

Your asking me will my love grow
I don't know, no I don't know
Just stick around and let it show
I don't know, oh I don't know

There's something in the way she smiles
And all I have to do is think of her
Something in the way she smiles for me
I don't want to leave her now
You know I believe in how



LOVETHIS SONG



wtf?!?!
:confused::nonono:


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Re: If you think hip hop is dead, then you sir, are a fool [Re: learningtofly]
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Oh wow, some lyrics about conflict and conspiracy.  Nothing new here, just keep reinforcing the themes of paranoia and victimhood.

And I don't care how great you think the lyrics are, it doesn't change the fact that they're essentially delivered in monotone. 

I'd say when you have "music" that is vocally focused, but the vocals are toneless, the result can only be be low quality at best.

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Re: If you think hip hop is dead, then you sir, are a fool [Re: Viveka]
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u fail again it's not about the quality of the person's voice at all.


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Re: If you think hip hop is dead, then you sir, are a fool [Re: skunkape]
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skunkape, you wouldn't happen to have a youtube playlist of this sort of hip hop would you?  like with assorted artists.  that would be handy.


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Re: If you think hip hop is dead, then you sir, are a fool [Re: Viveka]
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Quote:
Viveka said: I'd say when you have "music" that is vocally focused, but the vocals are toneless, the result can only be be low quality at best.



it sounds to me that you have a limited scope of what "music" is.  for many, it's not all simply about tonality and harmonies.  with hip hop, there's wordplay and flow and rhythm and rhyme scheme.  if it's not for you, well then it's not.  but to dismiss it as a lesser music simply because you aren't capable of appreciating it is rather ignorant.


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