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If you think hip hop is dead, then you sir, are a fool
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Lots of people think hop hop is done, that after the 90's everything went to shit. Sure there are underground heads who will preach about Deltron, MF DOOM, and Jedi Mind Tricks all day, but I'm talking about mainstream rap.
Of course there's garbage (and a lot of it), but radio stations and music channels are starting to realize that everyone's tired of "club rap" and because of that, they're giving new and talented artists play time and exposure. Here's a few quality artists with mainstream appeal that are making it.


Jay Electronica - Eternal Sunshine


J. Cole - Dead Presidents II


Wale ft. CurrenSy - Wordplay


Jay Electronica - Exhibit A


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Re: If you think hip hop is dead, then you sir, are a fool [Re: skunkape]
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music doesn't die it multiplies


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Re: If you think hip hop is dead, then you sir, are a fool [Re: Shroomism]
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Mobb Deep
Rhymefest
The Foreign Exchange
Tanya Morgan
9th Wonder
Oj Da Juiceman
The Diplomats
Murs
Andre Nickatina
Dead Prez
Pete Rock
Talib Kweli
Nipsy Hussle
Raekwon
Rakim
Living Legends

dude who said hip hop was dead its everywhere


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Re: If you think hip hop is dead, then you sir, are a fool [Re: learningtofly]
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deltron ftw.


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Re: If you think hip hop is dead, then you sir, are a fool [Re: skunkape]
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I don't think hip hop is dead, I just think it's a very low form of art.  The focus is the vocal element, which is essentially a toneless drone(rap) about subjects that are usually an ego posturing of some sort.

The music is usually all canned, looped and sampled and leaves zero room for improvisation of any sort, other than vocally(see paragraph 1).  Not that there would be anyone to improvise since it's really all about "the rhymes".

And this music is supposed to be about rhythm but show me a "hip-hop" track in a non-duple time and I will be genuinely surprised.  It always utilizies only the most basic, tired rhythms possible.

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Re: If you think hip hop is dead, then you sir, are a fool [Re: skunkape]
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Rap is the new hairmetal.


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Re: If you think hip hop is dead, then you sir, are a fool [Re: Deltron3030]
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seriously.  who said hip hop is dead?


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Re: If you think hip hop is dead, then you sir, are a fool *DELETED* [Re: DeadPhan]
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Re: If you think hip hop is dead, then you sir, are a fool [Re: DeadPhan]
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Some african american gentlemen with a funny name



:smilingpuppy:


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Re: If you think hip hop is dead, then you sir, are a fool [Re: Viveka]
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Viveka said:
I don't think hip hop is dead, I just think it's a very low form of art.  The focus is the vocal element, which is essentially a toneless drone(rap) about subjects that are usually an ego posturing of some sort.

The music is usually all canned, looped and sampled and leaves zero room for improvisation of any sort, other than vocally(see paragraph 1).  Not that there would be anyone to improvise since it's really all about "the rhymes".

And this music is supposed to be about rhythm but show me a "hip-hop" track in a non-duple time and I will be genuinely surprised.  It always utilizies only the most basic, tired rhythms possible.


what the fuck hip hop are you listening to?


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Re: If you think hip hop is dead, then you sir, are a fool [Re: learningtofly]
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learningtofly said:
Viveka said:
I don't think hip hop is dead, I just think it's a very low form of art.  The focus is the vocal element, which is essentially a toneless drone(rap) about subjects that are usually an ego posturing of some sort.

The music is usually all canned, looped and sampled and leaves zero room for improvisation of any sort, other than vocally(see paragraph 1).  Not that there would be anyone to improvise since it's really all about "the rhymes".

And this music is supposed to be about rhythm but show me a "hip-hop" track in a non-duple time and I will be genuinely surprised.  It always utilizies only the most basic, tired rhythms possible.


what the fuck hip hop are you listening to?


word.  i was tryin to figure out what to say in response to that....but urs prety much summed it up


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Re: If you think hip hop is dead, then you sir, are a fool [Re: DeadPhan]
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and i used to HATE hip hop when i was younger.  i was always pushin old school rock and like psychedelia type music.  jambands and what have you.  some reason i put up a wall against hip hop for a minute.  i think its cause alota kids i grew up with listened to shitty hip hop and were more or less shitty people that listened to it just to be cool.  just goin along with the trend. 
and i was always like, come on, you gota listen to this shit maaaan!
but, it didnt take too long before i figured it out.  in the company of actualy conscious people listening to some real shit.


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Re: If you think hip hop is dead, then you sir, are a fool [Re: DeadPhan]
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You obviously haven't heard anything decent if you think hip-hop consists of jacking off one's ego.

Quote:
I don't want no computer chip in my arm
I don't wanna die by a nuclear bomb
I say we all rush the pentagon, pull out guns
And grab the intercom, my first word's will be I believe
Man made God, outta ignorance and fear
If God made man, then why the hell would he put us here?
I thought he's supposed to be the all loving
The same God who let Hitler put the Jews in the oven
We don't fall for the regular shit, they try to feed us
All this half-ass leadership, flippin position
They turn politcian and shut the hell up and follow tradition
For your TV screen, is telling lies to your vision
Every channel got some brainwashed cop shit to watch
Running up in niggas cribs claiming that they heard shots
It's a plot, but busta can you tell me who's greedier?
Big corporations, the pigs or the media?
Sign of the times, terrorism on the rise
Commercial airplanes, falling out the sky like flies
Make me wonder what secrets went down with Bob Brown (?)
Who burnt churches to the ground with no evidence found?
It's not coincidence, it's been too many studied incidents
It coulda been the Klan who put that bomb at the Olympics
But it probably was the FBI, deep at the call
Cuz if they make us all panic then they can start martial law


EDIT: thats not directed at you deadphan sorry


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Re: If you think hip hop is dead, then you sir, are a fool [Re: learningtofly]
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My turn...



There's something in the way she moves
That attracts me like no other lover
Something in the way she moves me
I don't want to leave her now
You know I believe in how

There's something in the way she smiles
And all I have to do is think of her
Something in the way she smiles for me
I don't want to leave her now
You know I believe in how

Your asking me will my love grow
I don't know, no I don't know
Just stick around and let it show
I don't know, oh I don't know

There's something in the way she moves
That attracts me like no other lover
Something in the way she moves me
I don't want to leave her now
You know I believe in how

Your asking me will my love grow
I don't know, no I don't know
Just stick around and let it show
I don't know, oh I don't know

There's something in the way she smiles
And all I have to do is think of her
Something in the way she smiles for me
I don't want to leave her now
You know I believe in how



LOVETHIS SONG

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Re: If you think hip hop is dead, then you sir, are a fool [Re: P-O]
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the beatles aren't hip-hop :facepalm:


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Re: If you think hip hop is dead, then you sir, are a fool [Re: P-O]
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PostiveOutlook said:
My turn...



There's something in the way she moves
That attracts me like no other lover
Something in the way she moves me
I don't want to leave her now
You know I believe in how

There's something in the way she smiles
And all I have to do is think of her
Something in the way she smiles for me
I don't want to leave her now
You know I believe in how

Your asking me will my love grow
I don't know, no I don't know
Just stick around and let it show
I don't know, oh I don't know

There's something in the way she moves
That attracts me like no other lover
Something in the way she moves me
I don't want to leave her now
You know I believe in how

Your asking me will my love grow
I don't know, no I don't know
Just stick around and let it show
I don't know, oh I don't know

There's something in the way she smiles
And all I have to do is think of her
Something in the way she smiles for me
I don't want to leave her now
You know I believe in how



LOVETHIS SONG


wtf?!?!
:confused::nonono:


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Re: If you think hip hop is dead, then you sir, are a fool [Re: learningtofly]
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Oh wow, some lyrics about conflict and conspiracy.  Nothing new here, just keep reinforcing the themes of paranoia and victimhood.

And I don't care how great you think the lyrics are, it doesn't change the fact that they're essentially delivered in monotone. 

I'd say when you have "music" that is vocally focused, but the vocals are toneless, the result can only be be low quality at best.

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Re: If you think hip hop is dead, then you sir, are a fool [Re: Viveka]
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u fail again it's not about the quality of the person's voice at all.


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Re: If you think hip hop is dead, then you sir, are a fool [Re: skunkape]
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skunkape, you wouldn't happen to have a youtube playlist of this sort of hip hop would you?  like with assorted artists.  that would be handy.


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Re: If you think hip hop is dead, then you sir, are a fool [Re: Viveka]
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Viveka said: I'd say when you have "music" that is vocally focused, but the vocals are toneless, the result can only be be low quality at best.


it sounds to me that you have a limited scope of what "music" is.  for many, it's not all simply about tonality and harmonies.  with hip hop, there's wordplay and flow and rhythm and rhyme scheme.  if it's not for you, well then it's not.  but to dismiss it as a lesser music simply because you aren't capable of appreciating it is rather ignorant.


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Re: If you think hip hop is dead, then you sir, are a fool [Re: learningtofly]
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Gee, so...the vocals and lyrics are the focus, yet the quality of the voice doesn't matter at all?  It sounds like it's your taste in music which is the fail. 

And I didn't even mention the quality of a person's voice, I said the quality of the music is in question since it is vocally focused music but there is little to no melodic content in the delivery of the vocals.

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Re: If you think hip hop is dead, then you sir, are a fool [Re: MR14]
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Deltron 3030, way past the millennium.


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Re: If you think hip hop is dead, then you sir, are a fool [Re: Viveka]
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Viveka said:
The focus is the vocal element, which is essentially a toneless drone(rap) about subjects that are usually an ego posturing of some sort.


Ughhh. Did you listen to any the of the songs I posted? Listen to the first one, its some of the most conscious and intelligent hip hop you'll ever hear. Definitely no ego posturing involved.

Viveka said:
so...the vocals and lyrics are the focus, yet the quality of the voice doesn't matter at all?


For me hip hop is like 60% beats and 40% lyrics. You can't have a good rap song without a good beat behind it. And these beats might be more intricate than you think, the art of sampling is a whole nother can of worms. My favorite type of music ever is actually "instrumental hip hop". Beats ya dig?





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Re: If you think hip hop is dead, then you sir, are a fool [Re: skunkape]
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Hip hop's not dead, it just sucks.

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Re: If you think hip hop is dead, then you sir, are a fool [Re: tiny_rabid_birds]
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tiny_rabid_birds said:
skunkape, you wouldn't happen to have a youtube playlist of this sort of hip hop would you?  like with assorted artists.  that would be handy.


Im afraid I don't. I'm not even sure how to go about making one on youtube. I could .rar up a mix then upload it if you'd like?


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Re: If you think hip hop is dead, then you sir, are a fool [Re: Gumby]
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Gumby said:
Hip hop's not dead, it just sucks.


You're prolly just not cool enough for hip hop  :smirk:


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Re: If you think hip hop is dead, then you sir, are a fool [Re: skunkape]
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I don't think hip hop ever existed.


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Re: If you think hip hop is dead, then you sir, are a fool [Re: Knifey Mcstab]
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Hip Hop is a Jewish plot! :tinfoil:


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Re: If you think hip hop is dead, then you sir, are a fool [Re: skunkape]
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I used to listen to it. Then I moved to Newark. Now everytime I hear hiphop or rap it feels like someone's driving nails into my ear drums.

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Re: If you think hip hop is dead, then you sir, are a fool [Re: Gumby]
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Gumby said:
I used to listen to it. Then I moved to Newark. Now everytime I hear hiphop or rap it feels like someone's driving nails into my ear drums.


So that's why it feels like my scrotum's in a vice every time I hear Kanye.


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Re: If you think hip hop is dead, then you sir, are a fool [Re: Knifey Mcstab]
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Yeah, living in a hood ass town will do that to ya.

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Re: If you think hip hop is dead, then you sir, are a fool [Re: skunkape]
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Ughhh. Did you listen to any the of the songs I posted? Listen to the first one, its some of the most conscious and intelligent hip hop you'll ever hear. Definitely no ego posturing involved.


I listened to them all, for the most part.  My gripe really isn't so much with the lyrics as it is the predictable, repetitive and generally non adventurous nature of the music.  Those last two tracks you posted, the second was definitely better and almost interesting, if not for the way it's predictably sequenced out and never really goes anywhere.

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For me hip hop is like 60% beats and 40% lyrics. You can't have a good rap song without a good beat behind it. And these beats might be more intricate than you think, the art of sampling is a whole nother can of worms. My favorite type of music ever is actually "instrumental hip hop". Beats ya dig?


"Beats".  When someone says that I basically know how it's going to sound before I even hear it.  And it's always either a four or eight beat measure isn't it?  It's a "safe" form of music like "punk" or most electronic dance music.  You don't have to adapt your expectations or taste at all to get into it.

I like some industrial stuff like KMFDM, which is similar to hip-hop in a lot of ways.  But considering most of the other music I like, I consider KMFDM to be near bottom of the barrel musically.  And I think KMFDM is heaps more creative and musical than most hip hop I've ever heard.

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Re: If you think hip hop is dead, then you sir, are a fool [Re: Viveka]
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Viveka said:
"Beats".  When someone says that I basically know how it's going to sound before I even hear it.  And it's always either a four or eight beat measure isn't it?  It's a "safe" form of music like "punk" or most electronic dance music.  You don't have to adapt your expectations or taste at all to get into it.



I sort of see your point, and from a certain perspective there isn't a whole lot of variety to it, but I think it's just about appreciating certain aspects of it that you probably either just don't get or have gotten bored of after switching to more adventurous styles. I listened to it while growing up but have since gotten more into psychedelia rock and the more aggressive forms of punk which border on metal, but aren't quite incoherent screaming. I'm also finding a lot of the older classical music from all the famous composers really interesting.


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Re: If you think hip hop is dead, then you sir, are a fool [Re: bryguy]
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cash rules everything around me, C.R.E.A.M.
get the money. dolla dolla bill yallllllll

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Re: If you think hip hop is dead, then you sir, are a fool [Re: blazenn]
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blazenn said:
cash rules everything around me, C.R.E.A.M.
get the money. dolla dolla bill yallllllll


Cream is the shit:


...that song your quoting isn't too bad, either.


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Re: If you think hip hop is dead, then you sir, are a fool [Re: tiny_rabid_birds]
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If you are good at concealing laughter and contempt, you should ask a white person about “Real Hip Hop.”  They will quickly tell you about how they don’t listen to “Commercial Hip Hop” (aka music that black people actually enjoy), and that they much prefer “Classic Hip Hop.”

“I don’t listen to that commercial stuff. I’m more into the Real Hip Hop, you know?  KRS One, Del Tha Funkee Homosapien, De La Soul, Wu Tang, Tupac, Biggie, you know, The Old School.”

Calling this style of music ‘old school’ is considered an especially apt name since the majority of people who listen to it did so while attending old schools such as Dartmouth, Bard, and Williams College.

What it all comes down to is that white people are convinced that if they were alive when this music was relevant that they would have been into it.  They would have been Alan Lomax or Rick Rubin.  Now the best they can hope for is to impress an older black person with their knowledge.

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Re: If you think hip hop is dead, then you sir, are a fool [Re: skunkape]
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Sage mothuh fuckin francis!!!! yalllll!
haha
shit underground is my life!
cecil otter.
busdriver.
atmosphere.
dan le sac VS scroobius pip.
krs1.
toooo many to name!!!
i was supposed to see immortal technique tonight but i had some car trouble..


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Re: If you think hip hop is dead, then you sir, are a fool [Re: skunkape]
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skunkape said:
tiny_rabid_birds said:
skunkape, you wouldn't happen to have a youtube playlist of this sort of hip hop would you?  like with assorted artists.  that would be handy.


Im afraid I don't. I'm not even sure how to go about making one on youtube. I could .rar up a mix then upload it if you'd like?


totally man, that'd be friggin awesome.


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Re: If you think hip hop is dead, then you sir, are a fool [Re: purified]
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purified said:
If you are good at concealing laughter and contempt, you should ask a white person about �Real Hip Hop.�  They will quickly tell you about how they don�t listen to �Commercial Hip Hop� (aka music that black people actually enjoy), and that they much prefer �Classic Hip Hop.�

�I don�t listen to that commercial stuff. I�m more into the Real Hip Hop, you know?  KRS One, Del Tha Funkee Homosapien, De La Soul, Wu Tang, Tupac, Biggie, you know, The Old School.�

Calling this style of music �old school� is considered an especially apt name since the majority of people who listen to it did so while attending old schools such as Dartmouth, Bard, and Williams College.

What it all comes down to is that white people are convinced that if they were alive when this music was relevant that they would have been into it.  They would have been Alan Lomax or Rick Rubin.  Now the best they can hope for is to impress an older black person with their knowledge.


now you're just trying to hard man
honestly nobody that listens to hiphop gives a fuck what people who don't like it say

"good music is good music and that should be enough for anybody"-brad nowell
i have to say that quote too much, but it holds the truth

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Re: If you think hip hop is dead, then you sir, are a fool [Re: blazenn]
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FUCK EARTH...
i wanna live on mars
so i'm closer to the stars
and farther away from dump civilization
with no mental stimulation


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Re: If you think hip hop is dead, then you sir, are a fool [Re: tiny_rabid_birds]
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yo man just go to www.playlist.com
and you can make up your own playlist.
they have pretty much all music and you just make an account and everytime you sign in, there's your playlist and you can listen to whatever you want.
no downloads or anything, its all there waiting..
if you need some dope artist just PM me or something i'd be more then happy to point you in the right direction to listen to some great underground hiphop.
but none of that rap shit thats out nowadays.. i hate that shit with a passion!!!


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Re: If you think hip hop is dead, then you sir, are a fool [Re: Bert420]
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playlist.com doesn't work for me.  licensing restrictions due to my international locale.


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Re: If you think hip hop is dead, then you sir, are a fool [Re: tiny_rabid_birds]
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convert youtube videos into mp3

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Re: If you think hip hop is dead, then you sir, are a fool [Re: purified]
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no no.  i have means of getting music.  quite a few, in fact.  but i was interested in a playlist made by skunkape because i've enjoyed what he's posted.


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Re: If you think hip hop is dead, then you sir, are a fool [Re: tiny_rabid_birds]
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oh i seeee, well if you want some good artists to look up lemme know, if you can... look up sage francis!
he's fuckin siick!
if you like what skunkape is postin you'll surely love this shit:p
if you dont...
then your just crazyy!
he has a bunch of shit on youtube too so check it out.
if you like sage ill post some more artists..


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Re: If you think hip hop is dead, then you sir, are a fool [Re: Bert420]
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i already know sage francis.  and eligh, and grouch and aesop rock and POS and that whole crew.  i'm looking for new stuff in the vein of the stuff posted on the front page.


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Re: If you think hip hop is dead, then you sir, are a fool [Re: tiny_rabid_birds]
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have you heard of abstract rude?



or Dumbfoundead, this dude's pretty dope


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Re: If you think hip hop is dead, then you sir, are a fool [Re: blazenn]
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Among the wrong kind of white people, there are few more hated than the wigger or whitethug. Though it is very acceptable and common for the right kind of white people to dress and act as though they were Japanese, Chinese, or European, it is completely unacceptable for them to act like rappers.

This distaste caused a dilemma for white people who had to show both that they loved hip hop but also that they were aware they were white. The brilliant solution they came up with was to appropriate hip hop words and mannerisms and filter them through a white appropriateness system.

For example, white people find it particularly hilarious to take slang and enunciate every word perfectly.

“Homey, that bernaise sauce you made is wack. Do you know what I am saying? For Real.”

“Well, I used a different type of butter. I switched the style up, so let the haters hate and I’ll watch the deliciousness pile up.”

Since the above exchange involves people who are very aware of their whiteness it is hilarious, but if it were to be said by wiggers, it would be tragic. The difference is subtle but essential.

This is also an excellent way to make white people like you. If you can recite rap lyrics with perfect enunciation, they will always find it funny. As a rule of thumb, the more popular the rapper, the funnier it gets. Best options: 50 Cent, Tupac, Biggie Smalls, or Jay Z. Note: avoid Kanye West as the irony of reciting his lyrics with perfect English is not as great.

In terms of physical actions, there are few things white people enjoy more than throwing up fake gang signs in photos. Again, the same rules apply: if it is done by wiggers it is tragic, if it’s done by the right kind of white people, it’s hilarious. It’s not a good idea to mention how these signs have often resulted in awful, senseless deaths– that will ruin the joke.

In both cases, the actions are done in hopes that a white person will be recognized as “one of the good ones,” who love hip hop, but don’t try to appropriate it in any non-hilarious ways.

In both cases, your best response is to say “did you go to the last Dead Prez/Roots/Mos Def/Twaleb Kwali/Michael Franti concert? It was incredible. I smoked weed and kept this one finger up for almost an hour!”

Though this information has very little use in and of itself, it could be the final piece in the puzzle of cementing your white friendship. At the very least, it is a guaranteed way to help your progress.


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Re: If you think hip hop is dead, then you sir, are a fool [Re: Bridgeburner]
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any kind of music doesn't die.
there is always people liking a genre over another.

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exactly,

yeah it evolves

but tell me one thing that doesnt evolve and ill be impressed

fuk, some ppl just love hip hop,

haters gonna hate.


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rofl I tend to slip into that category sometimes (not the wigger one, the acceptable one)


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the wiggers can suck my dick, they like the wrong thangz


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Re: If you think hip hop is dead, then you sir, are a fool [Re: I AM SWIM]
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Check out the Anticon record label, best groups of hip hop artists I've ever heard.

Doseone
alias
sole
the pedestrian

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i never liked sole ever since he dissed el-p and company flow.


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purified said:
If you are good at concealing laughter and contempt, you should ask a white person about �Real Hip Hop.�  They will quickly tell you about how they don�t listen to �Commercial Hip Hop� (aka music that black people actually enjoy), and that they much prefer �Classic Hip Hop.�

�I don�t listen to that commercial stuff. I�m more into the Real Hip Hop, you know?  KRS One, Del Tha Funkee Homosapien, De La Soul, Wu Tang, Tupac, Biggie, you know, The Old School.�

Calling this style of music �old school� is considered an especially apt name since the majority of people who listen to it did so while attending old schools such as Dartmouth, Bard, and Williams College.

What it all comes down to is that white people are convinced that if they were alive when this music was relevant that they would have been into it.  They would have been Alan Lomax or Rick Rubin.  Now the best they can hope for is to impress an older black person with their knowledge.



Why are you posting this as if it's your own?

http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/2008/11/18/116-black-music-that-black-people-dont-listen-to-anymore/

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You seriously won't listen to a talented artist based on what he talks about?

It's music, if you get involved in the drama in it........



I don't pay attention to who likes who......and i def don't choose sides.......it's fuckin music


Not to "diss" you are anything..........


Anticon is hip hop for the further development of INTELLIGENT hip hop.  For the most part that label is trying to kill all the negativity in rap, and turn it into something postive and non violent.

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no i listen to anticon, but then tell me why he would make a diss song to begin with?


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Re: If you think hip hop is dead, then you sir, are a fool [Re: I AM SWIM]
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......Yea thats why I said for the most part.


Some of them do start to fight fire with fire, even themselves ( one of my favorite rap groups ) seems to talk quite a bit of shit.



If you want a golden rap cd

DEEP PUDDLE DYNAMICS

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There's no way a thread should go this long with no mention of Cunninlynguists or Edan.

Viveka said:
I listened to them all, for the most part.  My gripe really isn't so much with the lyrics as it is the predictable, repetitive and generally non adventurous nature of the music.  Those last two tracks you posted, the second was definitely better and almost interesting, if not for the way it's predictably sequenced out and never really goes anywhere.



I think Tame One, specifically his "newer" shit, uses pretty unique and "adventurous" style in his music.

Quote:
"Beats".  When someone says that I basically know how it's going to sound before I even hear it.  And it's always either a four or eight beat measure isn't it?  It's a "safe" form of music like "punk" or most electronic dance music.  You don't have to adapt your expectations or taste at all to get into it.


If you're the type who thinks complexity is what makes music good then just say it. Time will be saved and we'll understand that you're close-minded and foolish.

It would be pretty hard to pull of a good song that isn't in some simple 4 time. The way to make it interesting is using accents, flow, phrases, whatever to create a different feel without changing the time.

However since it's still in 4 I guess it's not complex.


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i duno, i just love it when this kind of shit happens,

u get to see some mc's spit some mega fire, if it werent for these little battles, hip hop wouldn't be as fun as it is.

it's all like a game of Go.


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I like Eminem. His rhymes are the shit, and funny as hell. The haters in this thread should try to write a poem where more than 1 syllable per line rhymes, nevermind the poem actually making sense, too. I'd like to see who could do something without looking like a total fucknut.


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Re: If you think hip hop is dead, then you sir, are a fool [Re: CMACD]
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That's the absolute worst argument against criticizing something, I can't believe so many people spout it off as a legitimate defense.

I'd like to see you play trombone better than me before you criticize my playing. I suck, but I'm probably better than you. But since I'm better than you, you can't say I suck. At least according to your logic.

Should I be able to cook better than a chef in order to say his food isn't good? Not in any real world I live and participate in.


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Re: If you think hip hop is dead, then you sir, are a fool [Re: jewunit]
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i duno, but edan is the shit like u said


white guy knows how to do thangs



it doesn't fucking matter if one is better than another at an instrument

im sad that most ppl think of this as a fucking contest.

it's just music

music will always = music

so STFU and stop whining

the music never stops :dancingbear:

it only stops whenever the beat not drops

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Re: If you think hip hop is dead, then you sir, are a fool [Re: tiny_rabid_birds]
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Hey guys... saw this thread so I think I'd chime in...

http://www.savagewonderland.com/GO_ASK_ALICE_/Podcast/Entries/2009/8/25_By_any_means.html

this a podcast of a newly formed group from kansas by the name of GO ASK ALICE..  they recently played a show opening for atmosphere in wichta and this is the video from it... PLEASE watch the whole thing as it is edited so it shows portions of different songs throughout the video..  i think its about 10 minutes long.. but there is about two minutes in the middle that i suggest skipping for the conversation's sake (it has two dudes talking and driving in a car)


seriously check this out please..  it is HIP HOP from wichita, kansas + a live band

also if u watch till the very end there is a surprise (slug) ending  :laugh:


EDIT: btw.. the music starts at about 2:10 into the vid..

Edited by JonTable (09/27/09 03:08 PM)

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I AM SWIM said:
it doesn't fucking matter if one is better than another at an instrument

im sad that most ppl think of this as a fucking contest.


I think you missed the point by a mile.


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jewunit said:
I AM SWIM said:
it doesn't fucking matter if one is better than another at an instrument

im sad that most ppl think of this as a fucking contest.


I think you missed the point by a mile.


cool story bro


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woop woop g funk :cheers:

listening to eazy as we speak, for old times sake haha. I guess hip hop isnt dead but it isn't the same either!

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I'll take that as accepting defeat.

Bro.


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it doesnt matter, some times i have trouble starting a game by whther or not i wanna be white when im black or black when im white.

hard choice to choose man.

one has an advantage. but they both do in their own ways, and it's hard to choose what kinda thangs u wanna do


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Chess sucks.


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Re: If you think hip hop is dead, then you sir, are a fool [Re: jewunit]
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AND IF A SUCKA TALK SHIT I GIVE YOU MY *pow*

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jewunit said:
Chess sucks.


yeah

theres always go


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jewunit said:
That's the absolute worst argument against criticizing something, I can't believe so many people spout it off as a legitimate defense.

I'd like to see you play trombone better than me before you criticize my playing. I suck, but I'm probably better than you. But since I'm better than you, you can't say I suck. At least according to your logic.

Should I be able to cook better than a chef in order to say his food isn't good? Not in any real world I live and participate in.


Well, if tonnes of people like the particular chef, you're going to look like a douchette trying to criticize him. You can't objectively prove that he sucks, as people's taste in food varies just as their taste in music does. When it comes to art, saying something just sucks period instead of admitting that it's just not your thing is just phaggotry, unless it's totally obvious that the artist/practitioner/whatever doesn't know the first thing about whatever he's doing.


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I'm glad this thread sparked up some discussion instead of everyone posting random lists of their favorite hip hop artists :lol:.
I'm working on that mix right now, I'll upload it sometime tonight.


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Electric Blue

Aiight heres my mix for anyone who's interested.


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awesome man.  thanks a bunch for putting in the effort.  i'm dling now, but i'm on my lunch break and have to head back to work in less than 15 min, so i'll give it a listen in a couple of hours.

thanks again though.  i'd rate you, but i already have.


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Re: If you think hip hop is dead, then you sir, are a fool [Re: tiny_rabid_birds]
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hiphop??? dead??? what?!
dope mixtapes drop EVERY DAY.  without reading this thread i'm sure most people who have ears know this.

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Ok I wanted to bump this thread with some more new artists


Theophilus London - his mixtape "This Charming Mixtape" has a heavy electronica influence.


Fashawn - His debut album just came out. He's one of CA's up and commers. He can definitely rhyme but Im not a fan of his voice.


Sene - I really don't know much about this guy but his new album was entirely produced by Blu, who is an excellent MC (lots of him on the mix I posted above). Pretty smooth song, great chilling music.


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i just started the second one.  immediately i'm like "i know that harp!".  that's joanna newsom.  haha.  hilarious.  never thought i'd hear that in a rap song.  good shit though.


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Re: If you think hip hop is dead, then you sir, are a fool [Re: tiny_rabid_birds]
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here's a little gem that a lot of people haven't heard of. IMO lyrically they are 1 or 2





You ain't never heard an mc speak like this
and Rodney King aint never felt the beat like this


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Re: If you think hip hop is dead, then you sir, are a fool [Re: Big L]
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That is one sick rapper Big L cheers for posting that.

Chester P is my lyrical no.1 poetically anyway which is preferred style. He is one hella intense dude, and his hop is much more philosophical/message based than anything I've heard.





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Re: If you think hip hop is dead, then you sir, are a fool [Re: Big L]
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Jay Dilla
Pete Rock
9th Wonder


^--- all great producerszzz


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Re: If you think hip hop is dead, then you sir, are a fool [Re: learningtofly]
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Jay Dilla handsdown best producer ever.

I think Stoupe is the man. He just needs to do more besides Jedi Mind.
Premier is a great producer too.
Pete Rock:thumbup:


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o i forgot to mention.....


Living Legends

albumz that rock

Petestrumentals / Mecca and the Soul Brother- Pete Rock
Creative Differences - Living Legends
Like Water for Chocolate / Be - Common
The End of the Beginning / 3:16 - MURS
I Hate You With A Passion / The New Jim Jones - Andre Nickatina
Paul's Boutique - Beastie Boys
Let's Get Free - Dead Prez
Diplomatic Immunity - The Diplomats
Endtroducing - DJ Shadow
Connected - Foreign Exchange
Donuts - J Dilla
Reasonable Doubt / Blueprint EP - Jay-Z
Quality Control - Jurassic 5
Operation Doomsday - MF DOOM
Aquemeni - Outkast
Labcabincalifornia - The Pharcyde
Bullets Ain't Got No Game vol. 1 - Nipsey Hussle
Blue Collar - Rhymefest
Eardrum / Quality / Right About Now - Talib Kweli
Mos Def & Talib Kweli are Black Star - Black Star
Brooklynati - Tanya Morgan
Low End Theory - A Tribe Called Quest


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yeah dilla is without a doubt by far the best by a long way.
just heard alot solidly recently..

flying lotus makes tunes..
although he is branching out of hip hop into other genres..
 
:Roberta Flack feat.dolly


Massage situation


Tea leaf dancers

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learningtofly- Reflection Eternal shits on all other Talib Kweli albums.


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not gonna lie, i have yet to pick that up.


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lol :facepalm:
I can't even listen to his other albums. compared to that they are trash.
Fugees -  The Score.
If anyone doesn't like that then you should kill themselves


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gimme a break dawg i have only been actually into hip hop for the past like 6 months.


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Grapefruit said:
That is one sick rapper Big L cheers for posting that.

Chester P is my lyrical no.1 poetically anyway which is preferred style. He is one hella intense dude, and his hop is much more philosophical/message based than anything I've heard.






Chester P is a spy huntin' rap dinosaur from the future!!!


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i'm a spy huntin rap dinosaur from the future

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tiny_rabid_birds said:
i just started the second one.  immediately i'm like "i know that harp!".  that's joanna newsom.  haha.  hilarious.  never thought i'd hear that in a rap song.  good shit though.


I love picking up and identifying samples in hip hop. If you listen to a wide variety of music then you'll undoubtedly recognize tons of them.

See if anyone knows this piano/vocal sample used in this first video (the vocals come in around 1:06). Check to see if you're correct in the 2nd one :lol:





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Hip Hop is dead.


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The only thing good about Hip Hop now is the beats. None of what rappers interests me. I'm not living in a ghetto. I'm not black. And I'm not a gangster. People like Aesop Rock share some things with common with me, but thats about it. Other than a select few Hip Hop can die for all I care.

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Re: If you think hip hop is dead, then you sir, are a fool!! [Re: Rocker232]
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well your pretty damn negative....  those are tunes ^  and there are many more.

and even if your not interested in what they're talking about then you can at least appreciate the cross rhythms of it over the beat / music..   


b?

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you should label your videos man I dont want to click them all just to see what they are


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