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The Evolving Gaia Theory
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This is from Terence Mckenna's work: http://deoxy.org/gaia/g_mind.htm

A guy named James Lovelock, a non-tripper came to a similar conclusion: http://www.unu.edu/unupress/lecture1.html

Joe Rogan came to the same conclusion through his own trips... His blog is called Conduit to the Gaian Mind...

Could Earth really just be one huge self-regulating organism, and we are the cells of it? If that's the case, look at large smog filled cities as cancer....


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Re: The Evolving Gaia Theory [Re: ElevatedMinds]
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ElevatedMinds said:
This is from Terence Mckenna's work: http://deoxy.org/gaia/g_mind.htm

A guy named James Lovelock, a non-tripper came to a similar conclusion: http://www.unu.edu/unupress/lecture1.html

Joe Rogan came to the same conclusion through his own trips... His blog is called Conduit to the Gaian Mind...

Could Earth really just be one huge self-regulating organism, and we are the cells of it? If that's the case, look at large smog filled cities as cancer....



And I've come to the same conclusion through smoking weed and having philosophical conversations with my like minded buddies.  Humanity is the cancer.

You should check out the philosophy board my friend, you would like it there.


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Edited by Nymphaea (08/24/09 07:35 PM)

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Re: The Evolving Gaia Theory [Re: Nymphaea]
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I don't think humanity is a cancer. I think we're just blinded by our own egos and choose to act in cancerous ways.

We are capable of good. People just need to realize it.


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If you're frightened of dying and  you're holding on, you'll see devils tearing your life away. But if you've made your peace, then the devils are really angels, freeing you from the earth.

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Re: The Evolving Gaia Theory [Re: JackofSpades]
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JackofSpades said:
I don't think humanity is a cancer. I think we're just blinded by our own egos and choose to act in cancerous ways.

We are capable of good. People just need to realize it.



Yes true, but as of right now we are acting very cancerous.


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Re: The Evolving Gaia Theory [Re: JackofSpades]
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Thanks I'll check the forum out. Another thought. If Terence Mckenna was correct and we DID evolve by psychedelics, then that means only those of us that take psychedelics will continue to evolve. In essence, there will still be "humans" as there is "monkeys"... maybe the next step is telepathy in a race of "post-humans"


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Re: The Evolving Gaia Theory [Re: Nymphaea]
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The best thing to do is change your mind first. Your behavior second. The world third.

Once you do the first I think the other two come more naturally.


Certainly not easier, but definitely more natural.


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Re: The Evolving Gaia Theory [Re: ElevatedMinds]
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ElevatedMinds said:
Thanks I'll check the forum out. Another thought. If Terence Mckenna was correct and we DID evolve by psychedelics, then that means only those of us that take psychedelics will continue to evolve. In essence, there will still be "humans" as there is "monkeys"... maybe the next step is telepathy in a race of "post-humans"



Or maybe the post humans will be computers and the technology we create?  It's only a matter of time before artificial intelligence is smarter then us.


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Re: The Evolving Gaia Theory [Re: ElevatedMinds]
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ElevatedMinds said:
Could Earth really just be one huge self-regulating organism, and we are the cells of it? If that's the case, look at large smog filled cities as cancer....



:yesnod:

We are all children of the Great Mother (Earth)

IMO when we feel like 'God' had spoken to us/shown us something
it is really just the Great Mother talking to you

I believe that the planet has a consciousness
that our consciousness can connect to

:peace:


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Re: The Evolving Gaia Theory [Re: niteowl]
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niteowl said:
ElevatedMinds said:
Could Earth really just be one huge self-regulating organism, and we are the cells of it? If that's the case, look at large smog filled cities as cancer....



:yesnod:

We are all children of the Great Mother (Earth)

IMO when we feel like 'God' had spoken to us/shown us something
it is really just the Great Mother talking to you

I believe that the planet has a consciousness
that our consciousness can connect to

:peace:




I had this exact trip last time I tripped with my girlfriend. We felt like we were just one of Earth's many evolutions... and that Earth evolved DMT in our own bodies and plants to match our chemicals to communicate with us... Psychedelic plants is Earth's way of evolving communication with us.


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Re: The Evolving Gaia Theory [Re: z_x_x_z]
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If people prayed to and tried to respect the earth instead of some imaginary guy up in the sky, we would all be much better off.


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Re: The Evolving Gaia Theory [Re: Green_T]
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Green_T said:
If people prayed to and tried to respect the earth instead of some imaginary guy up in the sky, we would all be much better off.



The Native Americans and other tribal cultures did believe this.


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Re: The Evolving Gaia Theory [Re: niteowl]
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Yes the Earth is an organism and we are the cancer.  That's why we're all sitting around on the internet with our plastic computers using up fossil fuels talking about it.

To truly go back to a 'non-cancerous' existence, you have to log out of the net now, demolish your house or apartment, and go back in the woods.  No cutting trees or building of shelters. 

Also you have to convince over 6 billion other people to do the same.  I bet you'll have a hard time with those people who have children.

Until I see all of you go back to a 100% tree-swinging existence in the woods with no clothes, fire, shelter, or technology, your arguments have zero merit.  :laugh:

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Re: The Evolving Gaia Theory [Re: UpSwell]
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^ You have a point. Im not saying we should all ditch our computers and things like running water and electricity.
However, unchecked resource consumption is inherently bad, so it is important to be mindful and not waste any part of our modern day buffalo.

To continue with the Gaia analogy, cancers are benign unless they either grow unchecked or spread into or affect healthy tissue. Cities and mass populations are fine until they grow huge, affect the environment, or find a need to destroy ecosystems to be sustained.

The way to combat this is to either scale back technology, or globally lower birth rate. Both are very difficult to do.


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Re: The Evolving Gaia Theory [Re: z_x_x_z]
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Meh, in my opinion, the Earth is alive. Nature is alive. It just knows. It will take care of everything. People think they have to save the planet or fix society but the truth is entropy takes care of all. Nature in my opinion, is a self-correcting system. Society will collapse and nature will thrive.


The question is, I think at least, when it happens, will we fall back into old habits or re-connect with the mind we once lost?


I kind of think a hunter-gather society with tribal music/gatherings, free love, and shamanic practices would be an incredible way to live. Everyone decked out in war paint, crazy out fits, and dreadlocks hunting deer with primitive weapons? I think that would be kind of cool. I don't find cubicles and machines to be very fulfilling. Just me. The Native American way of life is something I do honestly long to return to. Besides, all that really matters in life is human connection and happiness.

Not to mention, I play lacrosse in college. Lacrosse was a Native American sport, I feel I would be in business if society collapsed and we went back to nature haha.

I feel like Carlin knew something we didn't. Watch.



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Re: The Evolving Gaia Theory [Re: JackofSpades]
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Yea, Carlin was great.

His take on things was always refreshing


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Re: The Evolving Gaia Theory [Re: JackofSpades]
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I kind of think a hunter-gather society with tribal music/gatherings, free love, and shamanic practices would be an incredible way to live. Everyone decked out in war paint, crazy out fits, and dreadlocks hunting deer with primitive weapons? I think that would be kind of cool. I don't find cubicles and machines to be very fulfilling. Just me. The Native American way of life is something I do honestly long to return to. Besides, all that really matters in life is human connection and happiness.

Not to mention, I play lacrosse in college. Lacrosse was a Native American sport, I feel I would be in business if society collapsed and we went back to nature haha.




The hunter/gatherer existence is a harsh life with high infant mortality and a short life span.  You can look at the age of 30 when your teeth start falling out and you are considered an old man.  Waging war on your neighbors is a must because if you don't they will.  Native Americans relied on slavery and ownership of women to make their tribes work.  People routinely died as a result of minor illnesses, and parasites were rampant (worms).  Simply breaking your leg is almost certainly a death sentence, as hunter/gatherer societies do not produce enough surplus food to care for sick/lame members.  Old people were abandonded in the wilderness and left to die.  Seasonal availability of food meant that malnutrion and vitamin deficiencies were common.  People starved en masse during cold summers or when game animals didn't migrate nearby.

After two weeks of transporting you back in time to live with the Apache, you'd be crying for your momma wanting to come home.  If you told the indians you could go to the supermarket for food and use a metal knife to cut meat, they'd make you take them with you.

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Re: The Evolving Gaia Theory [Re: UpSwell]
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^^ Seriously.  Its easy to romanticize that which is so distant from us and ignore the harsh reality of that way of life.

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Re: The Evolving Gaia Theory [Re: Green_T]
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Green_T said:
The way to combat this is to either scale back technology, or globally lower birth rate. Both are very difficult to do.



And that's what makes me laugh about people who call humans a cancer, especially Americans.

The problem is not in America per se.  We are not growing that fast and among the demographic represented here on the board (college educated msotly), population is actually FALLING.

It's in the 3rd world, Asia, and Europe where the environment is most at risk.  Europe no longer has a natural environment to speak (forest totally cut down) and Asia is so densely populated it's hard for Americans to imagine.  The 3rd world is just plain a shitpot of pollution and overpopulation.

But, at least Europe and America have basically found a balance.

Earthwide, the only solution is to bring birth control and depopulation to Asia and the 3rd world, which can't support their population and whose industrialization represents a TRUE global environmental disaster.

When 700 million Chinese and 600 million Indians have cars, then people can cry about carbon emissions. :lol:

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