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Re: Pro Choice [Re: Insomnolence]
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Insomnolence said:
I've already sold my sold to the devil at the crossroads... sorry :laugh:


:devilslist:then your soul belongs to me then:hellfire:


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Re: Pro Choice [Re: Insomnolence]
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Peace to you too man!
I got hooked on this site after lurking for a year!


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Re: Pro Choice [Re: Kada]
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Kada said:
It isn't a woman's choice, and it isn't their bodies to make that choice once they are sharing it with another human. They are renting out their uterus at that point, and they are the one who put the rental sign on the front lawn.

Every single member of my family begged my mom to abort me when she was 16 and pregnant by some fuck ups baby. Im sure happy she didn't listen to them.


very good point. we know wut were doing and what the possible consequences are. and its wonderful for all of us to hear from you knowing the latter
there would be some type of exceptions like 7 year old rape victims and all that but thats a whole diff story


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Re: Pro Choice [Re: youngsaint707]
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The following are the top five quotes that I could find for both pro life and pro choice.  Just some food for thought...if you have any to add, it'd be cool to see.

Pro-life:

1)"Ive noticed that everyone who is for abortion is already born." - Ronald Reagan

2) "Each child is sent into this world by God with a "Unique Message" to deliver, a new personal act of love to bestow"... - John Powell, S.J., Professor of Theology

3) "`Fetal tissue' implants are not that much different from Nazi lamp shades made of Jewish skin. Both intend to put by-products of murder to `good use. - David Kupelian and Mark Masters, journalists

4) "What an irony that a society confronted with plastic bags filled with the remains of aborted babies should be more concerned about the problem of recycling the plastic"... - Winifred Egan

5) We must not be surprised when we hear of murders, killings, of wars, or of hatred...If a mother can kill her own child, what is left but for us to kill each other? - Mother Teresa


Pro-Choice:

1)"We really need to get over this love affair with the fetus and start worrying about children." -Joycelyn Elders

2)"Young women need to know that abortion rights and abortion access are not presents bestowed or retracted by powerful men (or women) -- Presidents, Supreme Court justices, legislators, lobbyists -- but freedoms won, as freedom always is, by people struggling on their own behalf." -Katha Pollitt

3)"One method of destroying a concept is by diluting its meaning. Observe that by ascribing rights to the unborn, i.e., the nonliving, the anti-abortionists obliterate the rights of the living." -Ayn Rand

4)"No woman wants an abortion as she wants an ice cream cone or a Porsche. She wants an abortion as an animal caught in a trap wants to gnaw off its own leg." -Frederica Mathewes-Green

5)"And by the way, my belief is that if men were the ones getting pregnant, abortions would be easier to get than food poisoning in Moscow." - Dennis Miller


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A typical monotub grow of a multi-spore rye spawn with some Golden Teachers: inoculated on day one and saw first signs of growth on day 5. On day 17 jars were 15% - 30% colonized so shook em up. On day 25 I mixed the spawn and sub in the monotub and on day 50 harvested the first flush. Just under 4 ounces dry in 1 month 19 days!

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Re: Pro Choice [Re: Johnny Quest]
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if men were the ones getting pregnant we would be called women...wtf is he smoking?


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Re: Pro Choice [Re: makaveli8x8]
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He's saying that men are oppressing women through political restrictions on abortion.... I've heard a pro-choice woman say that she would not tolerate the government forcing her to have a child that she didn't want.


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Studying mycology since: August, 2008

A typical monotub grow of a multi-spore rye spawn with some Golden Teachers: inoculated on day one and saw first signs of growth on day 5. On day 17 jars were 15% - 30% colonized so shook em up. On day 25 I mixed the spawn and sub in the monotub and on day 50 harvested the first flush. Just under 4 ounces dry in 1 month 19 days!

One Love!

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Re: Pro Choice [Re: Johnny Quest]
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oh so he's saying this is all a sexist thing, well thats the stupidest thing ive ever heard


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Re: Pro Choice [Re: makaveli8x8]
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I dunno man. If women were the majority in the house and the senate, rather than men, they would think twice about limiting the freedom of their female constituents.

The hole in this argument is that according to a Gallup Poll, 49% of women are pro-life while only 44% are pro-choice. (Here)  In light of this, perhaps nothing would change.

To most people, the morality of abortion rests on a balance between protecting the life of a fetus and protecting the personal well-being of a pregnant female.  The question is "when does life start?"...and this is where many people come in to conflict. 

Pro-lifers will say that a fetus' life should be considered equivalent to the life of a human and therefore should be granted the unalienable rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

Meanwhile, pro-choicers will accuse the pro-life majority of "humanizing" fetuses.  Often times they will ask "how can a woman be free if she doesn't own and control her body?"

It is important for Americans to truly empathize with both sides of the abortion argument.  For me, anti-abortion movements should never be political...all of us know how well prohibition works haha!  I'm afraid that if abortions become illegal, we will see a substantial increase of "back-alley" abortions and all of the disease, medical conditions, and death that goes along with that territory.

Instead, if pro-lifers seek to make a difference, they need to campaign to the people of the US...after all, as Gandhi said "We must become the change that we wish to see."  Abortions will not end because of a law but because of a shift in consciousness among American men and women.

The same is true for abortion as it is for just about everything else...big government will be part of the problem, not the solution.


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Studying mycology since: August, 2008

A typical monotub grow of a multi-spore rye spawn with some Golden Teachers: inoculated on day one and saw first signs of growth on day 5. On day 17 jars were 15% - 30% colonized so shook em up. On day 25 I mixed the spawn and sub in the monotub and on day 50 harvested the first flush. Just under 4 ounces dry in 1 month 19 days!

One Love!

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Re: Pro Choice [Re: Johnny Quest]
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i don't even think it matters when life starts, the fact is beginning at conception everything the women does from that point on effects the fetus.  its a mothers job, a humans job, to take care and bring it into this world.  if anyone has a problem with that then maybe they should just close there orifices.

better yet why don't we just get rid of abortion pills and procedures, then what is a women going to resort to?  hitting themselves?

lets see, yes i think that right there brings to a head what this is really about, a women abusing her body why?  what would drive a women to hit herself?  because she keeps getting fatter?  she should go on a diet then.

if you don't want to call a fetus alive, then we shall just call this a women abusing her own body. 

then again, at the same token, I'm all for less people on this shit hole of a planet.


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We were sent to hell for eternity :hellfire: Ø:omgawesome:h®
We play on earth to pass the time :foreheadslap:

Over-population the root of all Evil-brings the Elites Closer to the gates.

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Re: Pro Choice [Re: makaveli8x8]
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makaveli8x8 said:
better yet why don't we just get rid of abortion pills and procedures, then what is a women going to resort to?  hitting themselves?


Please read the following article on back alley abortions.  Keep in mind that one common way of unnaturally ending a pregnancy is to use the end of a wire-hanger to pierce fetal tissue to death...simple and effective.  Also, according to this article, abortions were illegal from around 1880-1973 with NO reduction of abortions! Prohibition of anything just doesn't work.

Back-Alley Abortions:
The prohibition of legal abortion from the 1880s until 1973 came under the same anti-obscenity or Comstock laws that prohibited the dissemination of birth control information and services.

Criminalization of abortion did not reduce the numbers of women who sought abortions. In the years before Roe v. Wade, the estimates of illegal abortions ranged as high as 1.2 million per year.1 Although accurate records could not be kept, it is known that between the 1880s and 1973, many thousands of women were harmed as a result of illegal abortion.

Many women died or suffered serious medical problems after attempting to self-induce their abortions or going to untrained practitioners who performed abortions with primitive methods or in unsanitary conditions. During this time, hospital emergency room staff treated thousands of women who either died or were suffering terrible effects of abortions provided without adequate skill and care.

Some women were able to obtain relatively safer, although still illegal, abortions from private doctors. This practice remained prevalent for the first half of the twentieth century. The rate of reported abortions then began to decline, partly because doctors faced increased scrutiny from their peers and hospital administrators concerned about the legality of their operations.
[End Article]

As I said before, we must go about a different way to end abortions.


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Studying mycology since: August, 2008

A typical monotub grow of a multi-spore rye spawn with some Golden Teachers: inoculated on day one and saw first signs of growth on day 5. On day 17 jars were 15% - 30% colonized so shook em up. On day 25 I mixed the spawn and sub in the monotub and on day 50 harvested the first flush. Just under 4 ounces dry in 1 month 19 days!

One Love!

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Re: Pro Choice [Re: Johnny Quest]
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the fact that women who abused their bodies to do such things, shouldn't be surprised when medical problems accrue.  the difference today would be, when they go to the hospital they would be assessed or should be, and treated as a suicidal person for doing such things to themselves.

in other words, if you don't view a fetus as a living being, then it is indeed just like a limb.  why should they be allowed to cut off there own limbs?

if it was illegal in to days age of society, you would undeniably see a drop in abortions.  even more so, if said offenders were deemed suicidal, as well as served prision time for criminal acts, as the way i view it is both suicidal(harming oneself) and killing a child.  of course i am not talking about current law here, anywhere.

but, id rather see a law put into action regarding population control.  one child per person, if your a male that means you get to knock up one lady.  then have it illegal to have anymore children.  if you happen to have children past that point penalties accrue of some kind


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We were sent to hell for eternity :hellfire: Ø:omgawesome:h®
We play on earth to pass the time :foreheadslap:

Over-population the root of all Evil-brings the Elites Closer to the gates.

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Re: Pro Choice [Re: makaveli8x8]
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makaveli8x8 said:
in other words, if you don't view a fetus as a living being, then it is indeed just like a limb.  why should they be allowed to cut off there own limbs?


Bad analogy. If you don't view a fetus as a living being, then it is much like a cyst.

And people remove benign cysts all the time.

In the case of someone who wants an abortion, it's generally because the pregnancy was caused by a failure of birth control (which can happen to the best), and bringing a child into the world would completely devastate their life for a long period of time and be completely unfair to the child.

Back to the analogy: If someone's got a malignant cyst, removing it is the sensible thing.


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Re: Pro Choice [Re: Entropymancer]
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do cyst's always have so many fingers and eyes? my cyst was tickling my tummy when i had tupac playing, fucking thing is annoying as hell id better remove it, i didn't think it was gunna move.

your right that was a really bad analogy

and if your not ready for kids then your not ready for sex.  between proper use of birth control pills coupled with the use of condoms, you'd just have to be lazy to have a child on accident.  in the case of possible death from being pregnant, i do see room for letting it slide in that case...but i would think they would work on fixing there health problems at that point.

i guess living is so much more unfair than dieing or never having the chance to live?


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We were sent to hell for eternity :hellfire: Ø:omgawesome:h®
We play on earth to pass the time :foreheadslap:

Over-population the root of all Evil-brings the Elites Closer to the gates.

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Re: Pro Choice [Re: makaveli8x8]
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what about unexpected/unplanned/unavoidable pregnancy due to rape? by your logic every post-pubescent female would be expected to take birth control or be deemed 'lazy' by getting knocked up by a rapist. sexual equality hard at work, yea.

another valid argument imo is that the world has enough filler, as far as humans are concerned, and if people want to abort more potential filler, more power to them. (and of course this also would alleviate, to a small extent, overpopulation and economic stressors)

god is dead, as nietzsche said, and now we all must accept the reign of the FSM, in his place, heil, and stüff.


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