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Morels: Limestone, run-off, and pH--a study
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I found some Blacks and created a growlog thread called Identification pleez.  The Blacks I have been photojournaling were growing from an area where the limestone pile creates a higher pH in the run-off area.  Using that information I decided to look for other areas that were similar.  I mentioned earlier that I would test areas for pH to see if increased pH resulted in more Morels.  It does.  Here is the evidence.

Forest floor area in the immediate vicinity, pH approx. 6.6:



Limestone bed where Blacks were growing, pH 7.0:



Morels (Blacks and Half-free) found, including two Verpa bohemica:







This was the stone composition of the bed, a limestone trail through the woods.



This is the angle of the run-off:



For those that like to match the maturity of other plants when Blacks, Verpas and Half-free Morels are fruiting, here are some flowers.  What are they?




From the data I have collected so far it appears a slight increase in pH can result in Black Morels.  I tested numerous areas on and off the trail finding Blacks only in the area of the limestone.  I'll be running more tests as the other species fruit.


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Re: Morels: Limestone, run-off, and pH--a study [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
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Yep. I always find black morels in higher numbers near piles of limestone. Places next to stone quarries are awesome spots for black morels. :thumbup:

Half frees, yellow, and white morels, seem to show up just about anywhere but they do seem to like the limestone areas too. Just my observation.

Edited by DannyGlick (05/03/09 12:01 PM)

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Re: Morels: Limestone, run-off, and pH--a study [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
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Nice. The first flower looks like a yellow violet and the last looks like a trillium. The trilliums are just starting to flower when I find Blacks. I'm going to keep an eye out for limestone rocks.

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Re: Morels: Limestone, run-off, and pH--a study [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
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Nice work! Thanks for sharing :super:


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"That's why you get in close to them, and then take the picture!! Don't be a pussy!" ~CC

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Re: Morels: Limestone, run-off, and pH--a study [Re: falcon]
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For whatever reason I only come across small patches of black morels around single trees (in contrast the half-frees and yellows tend to be scattered around large sections of poplar woods). I'll start paying more attention to the soil characteristics where I find blacks.


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Re: Morels: Limestone, run-off, and pH--a study [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
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Nice finds Mr. M!:handth: I'm jealous!:shakefist:

1. Yellow violet
2. Plox
3. Dutchman's breeches
4. Jack in the pulpit, I belive
5. Bluebells
6. Large-flowered trillium

:bongload:

Thanks for sharing the pics.


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Mr. Mushrooms said:
I will confess something that should be quite obvious, CC.  I love mushrooms, i.e. fungi.  I really do.  I am talking about a strong feeling, i.e. emotion, for them.  I think they are beautiful.  I even dream of them.

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Re: Morels: Limestone, run-off, and pH--a study [Re: DannyGlick]
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DannyGlick said:
Yep. I always find black morels in higher numbers near piles of limestone. Places next to stone quarries are awesome spots for black morels. :thumbup:

Half frees, yellow, and white morels, seem to show up just about anywhere but they do seem to like the limestone areas too. Just my observation.


Yeah Danny.  I got to thinking about it and I think we figured out why your Black washwater didn't work--too low pH.  Check the area where your Yellows are coming up.  I'll bet you it isn't anywhere near 7.0.  I did find two half-frees in the leaves by a trail without limestone though.  Just like you said.  I'm betting Yellows will come up in just about any pH provided it isn't too low.  Morels around berries, strawberries, blackberries or whatever are probably pretty rare and I bet you don't find any growing in moss.

I'm gonna make some Black washwater.  Now I have to figure out where to pour it.  I'll either have to find some limestone trails or use limewater in the same area.


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Re: Morels: Limestone, run-off, and pH--a study [Re: falcon]
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falcon said:
Nice. The first flower looks like a yellow violet and the last looks like a trillium. The trilliums are just starting to flower when I find Blacks. I'm going to keep an eye out for limestone rocks.


Thanks.  I'm going to post some other Morels we found later today.  Total weight so far is almost 3 lbs.  That is way more than I thought I'd find.  I didn't think I'd find any.


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Re: Morels: Limestone, run-off, and pH--a study [Re: LouiseLouise]
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LouiseLouise said:
Nice work! Thanks for sharing :super:


Thanks Lou.  I didn't even see if you found any this year.  I've been preoccupied.


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Re: Morels: Limestone, run-off, and pH--a study [Re: N2loma]
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N2loma said:
For whatever reason I only come across small patches of black morels around single trees (in contrast the half-frees and yellows tend to be scattered around large sections of poplar woods). I'll start paying more attention to the soil characteristics where I find blacks.


It would be interesting if you could check the pH in the area where you find Blacks.  That way we can double check the hypothesis.  I find the large M. crassipes near Sycamore trees.


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Re: Morels: Limestone, run-off, and pH--a study [Re: Bobzimmer]
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Bobzimmer said:
Nice finds Mr. M!:handth: I'm jealous!:shakefist:

1. Yellow violet
2. Plox
3. Dutchman's breeches
4. Jack in the pulpit, I belive
5. Bluebells
6. Large-flowered trillium

:bongload:

Thanks for sharing the pics.


Awesome, Bob.  I'll post a few more flower photos for you to figure out.


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Re: Morels: Limestone, run-off, and pH--a study [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
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Here's a few more pics for this thread.

More limestone trails (you can see some Morels in the 2nd one):






Another Trillium (which one?) and some other flower:



Normally I'd be counting individual specimens per species but I didn't do it this time.  Total weight for the two days is 2.77 lbs.

Tonight we eat!

:fatbastard:


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Re: Morels: Limestone, run-off, and pH--a study [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
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That's Trillium grandiflorum...the white flowers turn rose colored as they age. I can't tell what that second one is.:confused: Maybe garden escapees?:shrug:


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Mr. Mushrooms said:
I will confess something that should be quite obvious, CC.  I love mushrooms, i.e. fungi.  I really do.  I am talking about a strong feeling, i.e. emotion, for them.  I think they are beautiful.  I even dream of them.

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Re: Morels: Limestone, run-off, and pH--a study [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
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Quote:
and I bet you don't find any growing in moss.


Well yeah I have, but this guy was right in the middle of stone quarry runoff. Found one on the same hump this year but didn't take its picture.


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Re: Morels: Limestone, run-off, and pH--a study [Re: Bobzimmer]
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Thanks, Bob.  I have no idea what that flower is.


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Re: Morels: Limestone, run-off, and pH--a study [Re: DannyGlick]
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DannyGlick said:
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and I bet you don't find any growing in moss.


Well yeah I have, but this guy was right in the middle of stone quarry runoff. Found one on the same hump this year but didn't take its picture.




I actually found one in moss today too.

New data but no new pics.  After N2loma mentioned Tulip Populars I thought I'd give that a try.  Morels galore!  Picked 45 beauties that weighed in at 1 lb. 6.3 oz.  Not bad for a half-hour hunt.  I'll try to get some pictures up tomorrow.  I didn't have the pH meter with me so I'll have to go back to the spot and test.  These trees were massive.  I guess they must have collected large quantities of water to flood the area.

Thanks N2loma!  :kiss:


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Re: Morels: Limestone, run-off, and pH--a study [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
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Cool. Maybe those factors combined then eh? Where I find the most black morels is under mostly english elm.

I 'll post the ph of my yard patch here when I get the reading.

Anyway I think those are a wild flower, found the same one the other day.


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Re: Morels: Limestone, run-off, and pH--a study [Re: DannyGlick]
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DannyGlick said:
Cool. Maybe those factors combined then eh? Where I find the most black morels is under mostly english elm.

I 'll post the ph of my yard patch here when I get the reading.




I know a few flowers but sometimes I wouldn't know a daffodil from a rose.

There may be a combination of the factors, Danny.  I took a photo of my growlog patch.  The pile of limestone rocks were shoved up at the base of a Tulip Poplar.  Right now I'm wondering if the Tulip Poplars are doing something to the soil or is the water coming off of them higher in pH.


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Re: Morels: Limestone, run-off, and pH--a study [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
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I think it's Showy evening primrose,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oenothera_speciosa


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Mr. Mushrooms said:
I will confess something that should be quite obvious, CC.  I love mushrooms, i.e. fungi.  I really do.  I am talking about a strong feeling, i.e. emotion, for them.  I think they are beautiful.  I even dream of them.

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Re: Morels: Limestone, run-off, and pH--a study [Re: Bobzimmer]
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Thanks.  :thumbup:


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