I am totally cool with girls having tattoos.
I think most men who view suicide girls do so more to see tits and ass than tattoos.
If that site ran without tits and ass and dykes its popularity would be a fraction of what it is.
(so the discussion should be about the merit of young women being able to enter the pornography industry easily, the repurcussions of doing so, and if it is healthy for society as a whole.) - please, lets discuss - everyone.
My issue with the site is that it promotes young girls getting naked and selling themselves. I think the website has marketed "getting naked and selling pictures of yourself on the internet" much too much, and that young girls may get into it for the wrong reasons. ie. because it is trendy.
Suicide girls is also a way to market pornography to a new younger generation (probably not the traditional population who purchased pornography.) That in itself has negative implications, but thats largely a moot point because of the availability of pornography at a young age through the internet anyways...
I also think some women just exploit men through it, because they can. Fair enough - although wrong again IMO.
I do not think that there were hoardes of girl next door kinky/freaks before it became cool to be "the girl nextdoor kinky/freak." SG is a step in the wrong direction in the progression of human kind - IMO.
The company is misleading about itself, and questionable in its business practices aswell.
I will leave you with:
"Criticism By Models
A number of former models accuse Suicide Girls of failing to remain true to their signature feminist-friendly marketing. Many models who originally joined lured by suggestions of alternative sexual expression, are now concerned by what they consider indications that contradict professed ideas of empowerment.[31]
In a feature piece released in 2005, alternative weekly publication The Boston Phoenix, reported on former models' dissatisfaction with company practices. Models interviewed referred to Suicide Girls president Sean Suhl as “verbally abusive” and an “active misogynist”, and described the website as a “slap in the face to feminism”.[32]
In a transcript of Suicide Girls hearing with rival site Godsgirls, Suhl's attorney refers to models facing inconvenience in attending a postponed audit as not "Nobel peace prize traveling women from around the world" but rather "strippers and nude models", to this he adds "not being prejudice. Just being honest".[33]
Other allegations surrounding the site's administration have appeared in a number of well-established publications including New York Press and Wired magazine.
According to stats released by the website, in July 2005 one girl left, followed by 11 in August, 25 in September, and 11 in October. According to former models interviewed in a feature piece by Silicon Valley's magazine Metro Active, this is part of the general homogenization of the site, "a process that alternative subcultures are unfortunately used to".[34]"
"Critics have also charged that SuicideGirls has dishonestly claimed to be a women-owned and women-operated business[27], when it is actually co-owned by Sean Suhl, who is listed as Company President. According to business' filing with the Oregon State government, Sean Suhl is the only authorized representative listed for the company[28], which makes him the exclusive legal owner of the business. The "women-owned and women-operated" statement was also repeated in the CSI: NY episode. Sean Suhl is and has always been an active personality on the website and is not a silent partner"
"A primary issue is the SuicideGirls modeling contract, which prevents its models (including past models, for a time) from working for competing sites or agencies (specifically those dealing in nude photography and/or erotica).[19] In response to this, the SuicideGirls website states that only models "who have chosen to be involved in special projects" sign an exclusivity agreement in addition to their standard modeling contract barring them working with direct competitors for a certain amount of time.[20] However, the standard modeling agreement for SuicideGirls includes a "Non-Competition" clause, barring any model that signs it from modeling for an "SG Competitor" during the one or more years in which the model is under contract with SuicideGirls, plus an additional two years.[21] Many models, however, have received many mainstream modeling jobs from the exposure gained through SuicideGirls.[22]
Many of the former models involved in the 2005 dispute are now involved with the competing sites GodsGirls and Deviant Nation. Deviant Nation was sued in civil court by SuicideGirls. Gods Girls have been sued by SuicideGirls LLC for hiring models who were allegedly still under contract with SuicideGirls and for allegedly violating SuicideGirls trademarks. Several former models were also threatened with legal action.[19][23] In November 2006, SuicideGirls fired one of their main photographers, Philip Warner, (aka Lithium Picnic), for acting as the primary photographer for the website of former SuicideGirl Apnea. The termination was followed in February 2007 by a lawsuit by SuicideGirls against Warner.[24][25][26] According to a press release by Warner and Apnea, as of February 2007, none of SuicideGirls LLC's lawsuits or threatened actions against former models or competing sites has resulted in a victory for the plaintiff, however, the legal expenses in the lawsuits have been costly and time consuming for the defendants.[24] In June 2008, Lithium Picnic and Apnea issued a press release stating "We all sat down together and worked out an agreement that is really fair to everyone... We want to make it clear that we 100% have no hostilities towards SuicideGirls in anyway anymore, we all came to a really fair agreement over this dispute, and there were no bad people here, just mistakes and misunderstandings."
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For the record - many vain punk/indie/goth/vagabond chicks ive known through the years, especially the ones that were into SG - were drama explosions with little going for them besides being hot.
I wonder how many SG girls are cool or how many just appear to be cool on the internet. Again we'd have to define cool - in my life anyone that dyed their hair excessively, wears lots of makeup and posts naked pictures of themselves on the internet, is not appealing.
(funny coincidence, pretty much all of these types ive known, i met through the internet and then realized they are... unappealing as people.)
Who knows right?
To each their own.
I am gravely dissatisfied with society in many respects and SG is one example why.
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GO OUTSIDE.
Edited by PDU (03/18/09 09:24 PM)
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