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Re: Are there hidden languages? [Re: Poid]
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We cant be certain of that.  One on a strong dose of a psychedelic might seem like a complete idiot to your shirt pocket pen square, but that is only one exterior perception of intelligence.  Besides, I was only speculating and do not feel secure enough to continue with the brain mass=intelligence discussion without a good bit of research.

However, I must say that I'll just pretend that you referenced another large-brained animal instead of  a walrus as I'm a HUGE pinniped lover and do not take kindly to my sealzy-wheelzies and other blubberous chunks of awesomeness portrayed in a negative light :evil:!!!


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Re: Are there hidden languages? [Re: lavod]
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"We cant be certain of that.  One on a strong dose of a psychedelic might seem like a complete idiot to your shirt pocket pen square, but that is only one exterior perception of intelligence."

Well, all this just begs the question: What is intelligence?


"However, I must say that I'll just pretend that you referenced another large-brained animal instead of  a walrus as I'm a HUGE pinniped lover and do not take kindly to my sealzy-wheelzies and other blubberous chunks of awesomeness portrayed in a negative light :evil:!!!"

Well I'm a parrot lover, and you called them stupid. :snub:


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Are there hidden languages? [Re: jivJaN] * 1
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jivJaN said:
How do you go about evoking them ?
And.. do the entities name themselves ?
Did you ask for a name ?
Do you think you could describe one of these experiences ?
I know you said it is beyond words , but i would like to hear more if you think it would be possible to convey in any way..


I have gotten best results using Amanita Muscaria, an entheogen which seems innately linked to angelic/demonic paradigms.  My general methodology is to visualize very clearly my intent in summoning the entity; my desire has to be crystal clear and invested with as much energy and need as I can muster.  The practices of ceremonial magick I assume would also work, but I find that the end goal of these techniques is more to make firm the imagination and help train the focused concentration required to manifest your Will--in the end you should do what works and not pander to any 'officially' mandated techniques.  I conceptualize the process as more of a summons that implies the autonomy of the attending entity than any kind of forceful requirement on my part; in my experience these daemons of higher-order consciousness will only deign to grace you with their presence if one's need is pressing enough and if one has approached the evocation with the proper respect and tact that is required.

My most recent experience involved myself and an acquaintance in the middle of the wilderness.  The entity manifested itself in the body of my companion; I would assume this is similar to the paradigm of demonic possession except he was not fully aware of it at the time, and in retrospect could only relate a dim experience of becoming a puppet or mouthpiece connected to some sort of large machine which was controlling many other human puppets simultaneously.  The arrival of this archetypal force was instant after my call; my level of communication with it and awareness of my surroundings was brutally ripped from my prior impressions of consensus reality in a way that only perhaps Salvia comes close to describing--I have seldom experienced such utterly breathtaking transcendence that remains omnipresent behind this paper-thin shell of a reality.  The best analogy to this infernal embodiment would be the perspective of an NPC in a massively multiplayer online game witnessing a human don the avatar of a simulated construct.  Simulation and simulacra alike; we are nothing but dust in the metaphorical wind of metaphysical code.

The experience was fraught with aeon-old psychological archetypes; I felt like I had become Jesus and Lucifer incarnate in the same person, and yet I remained perfectly rational in my lower-order conversation with my companion while simultaneously gleaning an exponentially greater broad spectrum of wavelength communication inherent in his metaphor and simile: there is much, much to be said about synchronicity.  There were many physical side-effects to the manifestation--fire sprayed from our small bonfire in an almost cliched Mephistophelian way and several camping supplies that were far removed from the heat melted almost instantaneously into bubbling messes.  The visit as a whole was a striking learning process; I'm sure anyone else can do the same given enough commitment and desire to know the ways of the unseen Leviathans in this world.  High doses of Amanita Muscaria appear to blend the subconscious dream state fluidly into a still-rational ability to coherently manipulate and manifest Will in a way that I have seldom experienced through other entheogens.  I have been permanently changed since this encounter.


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Re: Are there hidden languages? [Re: lines]
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lines said:
Are there languages that exist that can communicate things about the universe that most people can't even imagine and are things that can't be communicated by the english language?

If people access there higher self does that person access a new language that they automatically know intuitively?

Or maybe the english language can be corrupted so that it can communicate any concept in existence?

Maybe it is impossible to know language through pure inution, maybe it is possible... I don't know.


E sonk conk a lue. :thumbup:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Are there hidden languages? [Re: Icelander]
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Well it's believed that somewhere between 60-90% of all humanly communication is non-verbal. Everything we do is communication. Though our conscious mind doesn't pick up on these communications, I'm sure the sub-conscious mind does.
Also, on the topic of animals. They communicate pretty well with people. Like my dog for example knows exactly what I'm thinking most of the time without me saying a word, but though eye contact. At least I think he does, hard to actually say.

Something I like to think about sometimes is how exactly people would think without a language? I find myself always thinking in English because it's my first language, but what is I never learned a language? How would I articulate myself within my mind?

Meh, just my few thoughts currently on the topic of language.


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"Every moment of one's existence one is growing into more or retreating into less. One is always living a little more or dying a little bit." -Norman Mailer

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Re: Are there hidden languages? [Re: deCypher]
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A fantastic portrayal of an evocational occurrence!  Good thing your companion did not attack you!  With the exception of an instance with the god Tahuti under cubensis in which I can definitely relate to your approximation to salvia , my evocational experiences have been far less dramatic.  In these, there is a distinct voice in the head as if (dare I say) telepathically communicating with the entity.  If it were not for the visual identification(The time the incense smoke kept forming into the shape of a horse when evoking Orobas comes to mind.  A scrying mirror really helps otherwise.), I'd be apt to dismiss the communication as wishful thinking.

I must experiment with muscaria in very high dosages in the future; my tummy usually gets full before being able to eat as much as I want.  As of yet, I have'nt experienced its evocational power.  I do however find psilocybian mushrooms to be phenomenal in invocation.  Of course, invocation is more along the lines of integration rather than communication.

Apologies over putting down(in a way) the parrot, poid.  All animals have their place and I do like birds(Though I'm not too fond of keeping them in tiny cages.  Guilty of that myself long ago.).  I was joking in my defense of pinnipeds.  They're my favorite non-human animals(particularly seals like the elephant seal) but I recognize that they might not seem too bright to some folks.  Who knows, I just think they're super lazy and only appear stupid.


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Re: Are there hidden languages? [Re: lavod]
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What entheogens do you find help you the most when it comes to scrying?  I've gotten some interesting results with Stramonium, but I wish to keep Lady Datura an occasional mistress as my jaunts with her tend to lean more on the extremely sadomasochistic side of things.


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Re: Are there hidden languages? [Re: deCypher]
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Haha.
I've had the best luck with 3rd plateau dxm so far when it comes to scrying by use of a dark mirror.


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Re: Are there hidden languages? [Re: deCypher]
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"but I find that the end goal of these techniques is more to make firm the imagination and help train the focused concentration required to manifest your Will--in the end you should do what works and not pander to any 'officially' mandated techniques"

I would definitely agree with this.
Thanks for sharing that btw..
You still havent said whether the entity named itself , or was there non of that kind of stuff ?
Also.. im curious as to how you felt seeing your "companion" temporarily possessed as a manifestation of your calling. Or.. was it a joined effort ?


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All my posts in this forum are strictly fictional.
They are derived from an acute mental illness , from which i am forced to lie compulsively.
I have never induced any kind of mind altering substance in my life  and i have no intentions whatsoever of doing anything illegal.
If I have ever suggested such a thing it would have most likely been , due to my personality disorder and i probably do not remember it at all..

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Re: Are there hidden languages? [Re: jivJaN]
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jivJaN said:
You still havent said whether the entity named itself , or was there non of that kind of stuff ?


It did not name itself, but its inclinations and metaphysical orientation were intuitively apparent.  My purpose in summoning was rooted in a quest for Power, and as such the mode of my interaction with it was mostly expected.  It offered a deal... and I accepted.

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jivJaN said: Also.. im curious as to how you felt seeing your "companion" temporarily possessed as a manifestation of your calling. Or.. was it a joined effort ?


It was not a joined effort.  The nature of the manifestation was a surprise to me, but mostly I felt elation at my success.  There was no cause for worry on my companion's part as he remained healthy and intact after the possession.


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Re: Are there hidden languages? [Re: deCypher]
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Do you think it's possible to see entities on DXM?


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Are there hidden languages? [Re: Poid]
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Poid said:
Do you think it's possible to see entities on DXM?


Sure.  I'd suggest combining with weed for best results (some hash brownies in combination with a third plateau dose would serve you well), and explore your mind in dark silence with eye-shades and earplugs.


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Re: Are there hidden languages? [Re: deCypher]
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Thanks for the advice! :vaped:


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Are there hidden languages? [Re: deCypher]
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"It offered a deal... and I accepted."

You cant say that and not expect another question to follow.. :smile:

... me thinks you wouldnt want to share that with the rest of us ... it would kinda violate the terms of the agreement , would it not ?


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All my posts in this forum are strictly fictional.
They are derived from an acute mental illness , from which i am forced to lie compulsively.
I have never induced any kind of mind altering substance in my life  and i have no intentions whatsoever of doing anything illegal.
If I have ever suggested such a thing it would have most likely been , due to my personality disorder and i probably do not remember it at all..

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Re: Are there hidden languages? [Re: Poid]
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Poid said:
Do you think it's possible to see entities on DXM?



What kind of entities would you want to "see" ?

As for DXM .. perhaps you should ask EternalCowabunga.. i believe hes had extensive experience with this substance , and would probably advise against it.


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All my posts in this forum are strictly fictional.
They are derived from an acute mental illness , from which i am forced to lie compulsively.
I have never induced any kind of mind altering substance in my life  and i have no intentions whatsoever of doing anything illegal.
If I have ever suggested such a thing it would have most likely been , due to my personality disorder and i probably do not remember it at all..

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Re: Are there hidden languages? [Re: jivJaN]
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I have relatively extensive experience, not as much as some of the members of this board.. i don't have much experience with anything beyond plateau 3.

I would advise against it simply because of how a high dose makes me feel afterwords - it usually leaves me feeling much worse than an XTC comedown.

When I was younger I used to really like it because I'd get these realizations of how one can metaprogram reality or how reality tunnels function, things like that. Now I would say it's not worth it.


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Re: Are there hidden languages? [Re: jivJaN]
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jivJaN said:
You cant say that and not expect another question to follow.. :smile:

... me thinks you wouldnt want to share that with the rest of us ... it would kinda violate the terms of the agreement , would it not ?


I have no problem sharing the nature of the agreement if that's what you're asking; I see far too few people interested in publicly delving into the darker side of evocational manifestations and I would be glad to encourage any open discussion on methods and experiences.

The primary goal of this particular encounter was to inquire into the nature of persuasion and influential communication with others; one might deem this a violation of free will just as easily as I deem it a strengthening and bolstering of my own autonomy.  I asked for a tutorial demonstration of such simply in exchange for continuing to work with the left hand path--it would be next to impossible for me to violate these terms.


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Re: Are there hidden languages? [Re: jivJaN]
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...or otherwise experience. :shrug:


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Are there hidden languages? [Re: deCypher]
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deCypher said:
jivJaN said:
You cant say that and not expect another question to follow.. :smile:

... me thinks you wouldnt want to share that with the rest of us ... it would kinda violate the terms of the agreement , would it not ?


I have no problem sharing the nature of the agreement if that's what you're asking; I see far too few people interested in publicly delving into the darker side of evocational manifestations and I would be glad to encourage any open discussion on methods and experiences.

The primary goal of this particular encounter was to inquire into the nature of persuasion and influential communication with others; one might deem this a violation of free will just as easily as I deem it a strengthening and bolstering of my own autonomy.  I asked for a tutorial demonstration of such simply in exchange for continuing to work with the left hand path--it would be next to impossible for me to violate these terms.


What is the left hand path?


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Are there hidden languages? [Re: Poid]
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This sums it up fairly well: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-Hand_Path_and_Right-Hand_Path

Also this journal entry puts it in a slightly more poetic format: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/9532591/an/0/page/0


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