Home | Community | Message Board


This site includes paid links. Please support our sponsors.


Welcome to the Shroomery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. You'll gain access to additional forums, file attachments, board customizations, encrypted private messages, and much more!

Jump to first unread post Pages: 1 | 2 | 3 |  [ show all ]
GE, down to under $12.00 again...
    #9721386 -

Wow,

i remember going into the bank one day to wire money into my brokerage account, and GE was around $18, and my banker was actually telling me 'how good of a deal' it was then.

down to 12 this morning on the after hours market


wow i just got the WORSE headache while writing this....


--------------------
PEACE

:mushroom2:zippoz:mushroom2:



"in times of widespread chaos and confusion, it has been the duty of more advanced human beings - artists, scientists, clowns, and philosophers - to create order. In such times as ours however, when there is too much order, too much m management, too much programming and control, it becomes the duty of superior men and women and women to fling their favorite monkey wrenches into the machinery. To relieve the repression of the human spirit, they must sow doubt and disruption"

"People do it every day, they talk to themselves ... they see themselves as they'd like to be, they don't have the courage you have, to just run with it."

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: GE, down to under $12.00 again... [Re: ZippoZ]
    #9721424 -

dood, if you don't need your money for 3-5 years, you made a great investment.! I am about to jump in at 10 or 11.

if you need your money soon, you shouldn't be investing, but I doubt you are foolish like that.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: GE, down to under $12.00 again... [Re: AroundtheSon]
    #9721426 -

plus, premarket don't mean shit!

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: GE, down to under $12.00 again... [Re: AroundtheSon]
    #9721427 -

buy more shares! sorry, can't contain my excitement!

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: GE, down to under $12.00 again... *DELETED* [Re: ZippoZ]
    #9721541 -

Post deleted by LunarEclipse

Reason for deletion: GEE



--------------------
Anxiety is what you make it.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: GE, down to under $12.00 again... [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #9722355 -

GE is a solid company.  Within a new, highly technological world where new products are constantly introduced, they still make a lot of very basic products that people will always need.

It'll go back up.

Want to feel better?  I bought 100 shares of GE on 2/12/02 at $34.21.  Its trading about $11 today.  If I had the cash lying around I'd buy more.


--------------------
...the whole experience is (and is as) a profound piece of knowledge.  It is an indellible experience; it is forever known.  I have known myself in a way I doubt I would have ever occurred except as it did.

Smith, P.  Bull. Menninger Clinic (1959) 23:20-27; p. 27.

...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.

Osmond, H.  Annals, NY Acad Science (1957) 66:418-434; p.436

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: GE, down to under $12.00 again... [Re: badchad]
    #9723737 -

I'm in GE with a $19 basis.  I'm not eager to buy more even though shares trade some 40% below my basis, but I will hold on to what I have. 

Instead of lowering my basis in GE, I will be aiming to put my available cash to work in names that I believe have better upside potential, such as Verizon (VZ) below $30, Quanta Services (PWR) below $18, Celgene (CELG) below $48, Gilead (GILD) below $45, China (FXI) @ $22, Kinder Morgan Energy Prtnrs (KMP) below $46, and maybe even some Wells Fargo (WFC) or Goldman Sachs (GS) if they get back to their lows.


--------------------

--------------------
··∙   long live the shroomery  ∙··
...π╥ ╥π...

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: GE, down to under $12.00 again... *DELETED* [Re: badchad]
    #9725186 -

Post deleted by LunarEclipse

Reason for deletion: YN



--------------------
Anxiety is what you make it.

Edited by LunarEclipse (02/02/09 08:09 PM)

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: GE, down to under $12.00 again... [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #9728881 -

LunarEclipse said:
Why would I feel better that you have lost over 2/3 of your money in GE stock over a (gasp) seven year period? 

Makes me kind of sad that you still think they are a "solid company".  Even if you are somehow right in your dream that "it'll go back up" and assuming it goes back to $34 a share in the next five years (no way) you will have lost 12 years in opportunity costs. 

In the words of Gordon Gekko from the movie Wall Street "It's a Dog with Fleas".



I meant to reply to the OP, and you obviously failed to pick up on the sarcasm.

GE is one of the largest companies in the U.S. It's not going anywhere.  In that sense, its a solid company.

In 5 years, we'll see where its at.  Until then, your dream predictions really aren't worth all that much, unless of course your claiming to be able to predict the market.


--------------------
...the whole experience is (and is as) a profound piece of knowledge.  It is an indellible experience; it is forever known.  I have known myself in a way I doubt I would have ever occurred except as it did.

Smith, P.  Bull. Menninger Clinic (1959) 23:20-27; p. 27.

...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.

Osmond, H.  Annals, NY Acad Science (1957) 66:418-434; p.436

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: GE, down to under $12.00 again... *DELETED* [Re: badchad]
    #9729443 -

Post deleted by LunarEclipse

Reason for deletion: GEE



--------------------
Anxiety is what you make it.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: GE, down to under $12.00 again... [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #9734808 -

I plan to pick up some ge but I'll wait a little for it to drop some more. Warren Buffet bought some $3B worth back when it was selling at $24 a share. I don't think he'll let the company go under if he can help it.


--------------------
“A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship.” (attributed to Alexis de Tocqueville political philosopher Circa 1835)

Trade list http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18047755

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: GE, down to under $12.00 again... [Re: Stonehenge]
    #9734914 -

he bought special stock - almost like a loan of sorts.

he is solid gold.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: GE, down to under $12.00 again... [Re: AroundtheSon]
    #9735127 -

Solid gold?  More like flesh and blood! :wink:

  • "All good things must come to an end, but all bad things can continue forever."

  • Warren Buffet has lost over $15 billion since October.


Check out this commentary from Doug Kass - super smart investment professional:
Quote:
Armed with some additional information, I have made tentative conclusions regarding the intrinsic value of Berkshire Hathaway's (BRK.A) common shares.

At year-end 2007, Berkshire's investment portfolio had a cost of $39.2 billion and a market value of $75 billion. Since the end of third quarter 2008, the value of Berkshire's investment portfolio has experienced a pronounced drop.

Berkshire's six investments listed below have fallen by over $16 billion in value; this is more than just a bump in the road:

1. Wells Fargo (WFC) closed at $37.53 on Sept. 30, 2008. Last week, it closed at $15.87. Berkshire owns 290 million shares, a drop of $6.3 billion dollars.

2. American Express (AXP) closed at $35.43 on Sept. 30, 2008. Last week, it closed at $16.00. Berkshire owns 151 million shares, a drop of $2.9 billion dollars.

3. Coca-Cola (KO) closed at $52.88 on Sept. 30, 2008. Last week, it closed at $42.20. Berkshire owns 200 million shares, a drop of $2.1 billion dollars.

4. Burlington Northern Santa Fe (BNI) closed at $92.43 on Sept. 30, 2008. Last week, it closed at $63.32. Berkshire owns 63 million shares, a drop of $1.8 billion dollars.

5. ConocoPhillips (COP) closed at $73.25 on Sept. 30, 2008. Last week, it closed at $48.10. Berkshire owns 60 million shares, a drop of $1.5 billion dollars.

6. U.S. Bancorp (USB) closed at $36.02 on Sept. 30, 2008. On Jan. 20, 2008, it closed at $15.34. Buffett owned 73 million shares, a drop of $1.5 billion dollars.

Note: These losses do not include the recent purchase of General Electric (GE) and Goldman Sachs (GS) preferreds and Berkshire's large and so far unprofitable foray into shorting puts on the major stock indices.

If one triangulates Buffett's comments in his annual reports during the late 1990s, he seems to view Berkshire's intrinsic value as the sum of its investments per share plus approximately 12 times pretax profits, excluding all income from investments.

Given many of my concerns expressed initially in March 2008, I am increasingly coming to the conclusion that the above calculation of intrinsic value is too liberal. Considering the high cost of Berkshire's investment style drift into derivatives (massive short put positions), Buffett's refusal to sell and his apparent lack of recognition that investment moats no longer exist in some of his largest investments (especially in banking), I now feel that Berkshire's valuation will steadily suffer, despite the long-term allegiance of its investors who are geared toward evaluating the company over decades, not years. Indeed Berkshire, in the fullness of time, might suffer the same fate of many other listed closed-end equity mutual funds; its shares could trade at a discount to its investment value per share -- plus some multiple to pretax profits.

I have worshiped at the altar of Warren Buffett since the late 1970s -- ever since an investor and acquaintance, Conrad Taft, introduced me to his investment methodology and style at Berkshire Hathaway. Indeed my writings over the last seven years have often been punctuated with Buffett-isms. I have repeatedly objected to, scoffed at and refuted criticisms of Buffett's strategy on this site and elsewhere. That said, the rationale behind avoiding/shorting Berkshire Hathaway's common stock must be segregated from my respect/worship of the greatest investment icon of the last half century.

-- Doug Kass, March 10, 2008


As I wrote almost a year ago, Warren Buffett is justifiably revered by investors around the world, and I consider myself one of those who have worshiped at his investing altar over the past three decades. Nevertheless, from my perch, Buffett's salad days seem to be over; the only question that remains is the timing and to what degree investors will abandon the Oracle of Omaha.

Reflecting some of the above concerns and since late September 2008, Berkshire's shares have fallen from $145,000 a share to $85,000 a share. There is no apparent end to the decline in sight.

All good things, it seems, in markets and life, must come to an end.



In 2008 and (so far) 2009, The Oracle of Omaha has been wrong; it has paid to bet against America.

Moreover, the U.S. "economic Pearl Harbor" has humanized and brought down to earth many of the smartest investors in the world (e.g., Warren Buffett), as well as the entire private equity universe, many well-regarded hedge funds and investors (e.g., Marty Whitman and Bill Miller), and some masters of the universe in residential and nonresidential real estate, among others. Many industrialists, including Aubrey Kerr McClendon, Kerkor "Kirk" Kerkorian, Sheldon Adelson and Sumner Redstone, have been thrown under Mr. Market's bus, as have financiers Dick Fuld, James Cayne, John Thain and even Bank of America's (BAC) Ken Lewis.

While the downfalls of a widening list of investment, financial and industrial icons have historically been associated with a market and economic bottom, the lesson remains the same: The average individual investor should continue to err on the side of conservatism in a market that provides a wonderful setting for trading but a not-so-exquisite setting for investing.




--------------------

--------------------
··∙   long live the shroomery  ∙··
...π╥ ╥π...

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: GE, down to under $12.00 again... [Re: geokills]
    #9748096 -

yes, but he invests long-term, and is not looking to "flip" quickly.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: GE, down to under $12.00 again... [Re: AroundtheSon]
    #9748617 -

Long term or not, a $15 billion unrealized loss in a matter of months is huge even for Buffet.


--------------------

--------------------
··∙   long live the shroomery  ∙··
...π╥ ╥π...

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: GE, down to under $12.00 again... [Re: geokills]
    #9750066 -

Everyone who was big in the stock market got hammered when it crashed. Not shame to him for that. He still owns billions. Look at it that way.


--------------------
“A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship.” (attributed to Alexis de Tocqueville political philosopher Circa 1835)

Trade list http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18047755

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: GE, down to under $12.00 again... [Re: Stonehenge]
    #9751170 -

It dipped below 11 today but I didn't see it in time.


--------------------
“A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship.” (attributed to Alexis de Tocqueville political philosopher Circa 1835)

Trade list http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18047755

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: GE, down to under $12.00 again... [Re: Stonehenge]
    #9751402 -

I ultimately decided to let go of GE today.

Didn't like the statements that CEO Jeff Immelt made about "continuing to evaluate" their dividend in the second half of 2009.  With the added pressure of a credit ratings downgrade facing the stock, I just don't want to deal with it and I'll take the whopping 40% loss if only to be rid of the headache.  :whip:

JPMorgan sets a $9 price target on GE today, noting unsustainable dividend and credit ratings risk.


--------------------

--------------------
··∙   long live the shroomery  ∙··
...π╥ ╥π...

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: GE, down to under $12.00 again... [Re: geokills]
    #9752083 -

I think you made the right decision, geo. I'm not sure I would have bought any at 10. I'd definitely be interested at 9 and maybe a little higher.


--------------------
“A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship.” (attributed to Alexis de Tocqueville political philosopher Circa 1835)

Trade list http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18047755

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: GE, down to under $12.00 again... *DELETED* [Re: geokills]
    #9753784 -

Post deleted by LunarEclipse

Reason for deletion: booya



--------------------
Anxiety is what you make it.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Jump to top Pages: 1 | 2 | 3 |  [ show all ]


Similar ThreadsPosterViewsRepliesLast post
* Investments ClammyJoe 1,568 5 02/04/07 06:05 PM
by Prisoner#1
* Millionaires Support Warren Buffett’s Tax on the Rich Sulfurshelfsean 515 2 11/02/11 07:59 PM
by Sulfurshelfsean
* Warren Buffett on the Bailout GnosticWarrior 1,047 8 10/04/08 12:53 PM
by GnosticWarrior
* Buffett and Gates Now Have $1.9 Billion in This Stock teknix 2,434 6 06/25/10 11:24 AM
by zappaisgod
* Invest Your Money! Share you advice... kake 2,763 16 12/18/09 05:09 PM
by badchad
* Got $7,500 to invest...help?
( 1 2 3 all )
gogrowgo123 11,932 45 04/03/08 06:28 PM
by Techno_Raver
* Anyone have experience with High Yield Investment Programs? Cakes 2,573 17 03/23/20 09:19 PM
by BirdSeedUndaUrFeet
* $$$ - What do you consider a good investment at the moment?
( 1 2 all )
AsanteM 3,930 23 06/08/15 06:02 PM
by ballsalsa

Extra information
You cannot start new topics / You cannot reply to topics
HTML is disabled / BBCode is enabled
Moderator: geokills, automan
2,747 topic views. 0 members, 17 guests and 1 web crawlers are browsing this forum.
[ Show Images Only | Sort by Score | Print Topic ]
Search this thread:

Copyright 1997-2026 Mind Media. Some rights reserved.

Generated in 0.035 seconds spending 0.009 seconds on 18 queries.