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Re: Got $7,500 to invest...help? [Re: geokills] 1
#6099699 - 09/25/06 06:59 PM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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geokills said: Pink sheets? Good god, that isn't anywhere near medium risk - try super extreme ridiculously huge risk! Sure, you can hit it big, but it's like playing the damn lottery. Stocks that trade "over the counter" are not subject to any formal SEC regulation, and therefore the vast majority of their movement is based soley on press releases (meaning: COMPLETE HYPE). It is perfectly legal for these companies to LIE and even decide not to report any of their accounting, because there is absolutely nobody keeping formal tabs on them.
Yes, if you time it right or just get lucky, the return can be phenomenal, but the damage comes swift and without warning.. and in most cases, you will lose a lot of money on the pink sheets if you stay in them for any appreciable amount of time. Stick with securities subject to SEC rules, such as those listed on the Nasdaq, NYSE, and to a lesser extent the Amex. IF you want to be a proactive investor. Stocks are no longer for those with the "buy and hold" mentality - you need to flexible, informed, and come prepared with an exit strategy. Diversification is key!
All that said, if you want to take a passive role in your investment, with no risk - definitely throw your money in a CD or better yet, a liquid Investment account such as HSBC Direct's Oline Savings Account. You get your 5.05% apy (similar to a bank's CD account), but you can pull your money out at any time.
You might also want to peruse the following thread for related information: Buying gold
Yeah, I know what you are saying about the pinkies geo. I would never put such a large amount in companies I didn't feel VERY secure about. Just because they aren't listed on the NASDAQ and don't have to have their financials checked at this point doesn't mean they aren't legit. I have done my homework on these two and I know what I'm talking about. Just do some research on the two I listed and you'll see what I mean. ATWT is about to release audited financials in 2 weeks and is going to be listed at a higher exchange around that time. They have MANY products that are already being sold. Many deals with MAJOR insurance companies that have been finalized/or are about to be. Plus, their main product is something that will be saving kids lives...believe me, they are going to be BIG!
CFRI has been in the shipping container industry for around 25 years. They are about to come out with a revolutionary synthetic flooring called Eko-flor, which would replace the wood commonly used now. Think about how many shipping containers there are in the world. CFRI has ties with most of the major shipping lines out there. They have MANY deals already lined up. This type of product has been in demand for a while now, but no one has come up with a good alternative. The CEO just taped an episode with the World Business Review on CNBC and it will air in about 3 weeks. Anyways, that's all I feel like typing at the moment. Do these sound like your typical pinks? Just do a little research on these two...
If you like what you see, why not throw a couple grand at them? Either way, I'm in both for the long run and I have HIGH hopes for the next few months to a year. Anyways, this is all IMHO so take it for what it's worth.
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Re: Got $7,500 to invest...help? [Re: kindadank] 1
#6101496 - 09/26/06 01:43 AM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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> I'm in both for the long run and I have HIGH hopes for the next few months to a year.
My friend, hope has no place in a sucessful investment strategy. Hope is as good as gambling blind! One of the stocks you're referring to - ATWT - is trading at $0.006 a share with a volume of 38 million shares exchanged today. That is not very liquid at all, with less than a quarter million dollars worth of stock trading in a day. Given the unregulated nature of over-the-counter stocks, any sharp news will cause that stock to rocket in one way or another. With Atwec's historical trendlines, and its incredibly low market capitalization.. it's just an extremely risky investment. Furthermore, all the articles I can find on this company, are paid-for press releases. No independent news agencies are even reporting on this company. Stocks do go to zero - you can lose everything!
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BIGSWANG said: buy natural gas futures before winter hits..im a broker at the nymex ...www.nymex.com
naty gas is super low for this time of year...pm me and i can give you the numbers on who to call
Now that's the speculation I like to see. Natural gas is indeed breaking three year lows, though with some fair reason - as supplies are very high right now and weather has been mild over the last year. Nevertheless, a cold winter or ongoing geopolitical tension will cause these things to rebound sooner or later. Even so - than invest in the gas itself, I would prefer to invest in natural gas related companies with minimal debt and lots of business on the books, which have sunk to historic lows because investors get caught panicing as oil and energy prices continue to decline.
Currently I am building a position (slowly cost averaging as the stock as been falling) in Nabors Industries (NBR), an oil and natural gas drilling company that has lost over 30% of its value in the last 6 months. The company is quite susceptible to sector trends, and with oil and natty gas falling it has taken a huge hit largely due to the volatile emotions that can sweep the market when certain sectors fall out of favor. Since 1996, Nabors has traded at a minimum Price to Earnings (PE) ratio of 8x, and as high as 68x. They are a well run company which is significantly undervalued, trading at only 6x next years anticipated earnings - at a cheaper price than it has traded in the last ten years! You can see that downside risk has been minimized, and upside risk is quite generous given that the company is actually doing very well (do the reading on their SEC quarterly reports for more info on that). It will probably take 6 - 24 months to realize significant gains, and I've been buying on dips over the last six months.. but honestly I believe this is a very solid long term investment with perhaps 10% downside risk, to 100% upside reward over the next couple / few years.
For a shorter term investment (4 - 8 months), I own some Google which is currently trading below 1x its growth rate of 36% (a PE multiple of around 32x). At $400, it seems very plausible that it will reach $500 into 2007 when money managers begin to hop onto its undervalued price. A solid company trading below 1x its growth rate is considered very cheap, it's like a rule of thumb for large money managers (who are by and large responsible for setting stock prices due to their huge investments) to go after these stocks in preparation for the next year's business cycle. Of course, Yahoo did warn last week that their ad revenue has fallen recently - which may in turn affect Google as well since the majority of their revenue is ad based. In my opinion, NBR is the safer (albeit longer) bet - though they should both be quite awesome if you can handle the short term swings. Remember not to buy all at once, scale yourself in and out!
Good luck and make some money
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Re: Got $7,500 to invest...help? [Re: geokills] 1
#7828803 - 01/03/08 06:47 PM (16 years, 28 days ago) |
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I own some Google which is currently trading below 1x its growth rate of 36% (a PE multiple of around 32x). At $400, it seems very plausible that it will reach $500 into 2007 when money managers begin to hop onto its undervalued price. A solid company trading below 1x its growth rate is considered very cheap, it's like a rule of thumb for large money managers (who are by and large responsible for setting stock prices due to their huge investments) to go after these stocks in preparation for the next year's business cycle.
Well how about that... Nabors reached up above $35 in 2007, then came back down to about where I recommended it. And what of that lowly $400 Google? Well it looks like it's trading around $700 a share now, a 75% gain in about 15 months! 
Sorry, just had to stroke myself a bit there... ahh, all better now!
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Re: Got $7,500 to invest...help? [Re: Dimmy] 1
#7836036 - 01/05/08 03:19 PM (16 years, 26 days ago) |
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grow op... go for one year. with sucha investment you can have huge turnover.
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Re: Got $7,500 to invest...help? [Re: gogrowgo123] 1
#7836058 - 01/05/08 03:23 PM (16 years, 26 days ago) |
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Its honestly not that much money for any huge investment. I would just put it into a house, unless you already have a paid for house.
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Re: Got $7,500 to invest...help? [Re: geokills] 1
#7836131 - 01/05/08 03:43 PM (16 years, 26 days ago) |
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well, Got any equally fantastic predictions for 2008?
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Re: Got $7,500 to invest...help? [Re: Dimmy] 1
#7836246 - 01/05/08 04:07 PM (16 years, 26 days ago) |
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Put the money into a roth ira (assuming you are under 40) and then I would recommend buying ETFs and possibly stocks with low PE ratios and solid divided payment histories.
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Re: Got $7,500 to invest...help? [Re: gogrowgo123] 1
#7838492 - 01/06/08 08:55 AM (16 years, 26 days ago) |
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Nobody has suggested investing in yourself? Is schooling or entrepreneurship an option for you? $7.5k isn't enough to buy an already established business but it could build yourself a home based business.
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Re: Got $7,500 to invest...help? [Re: gogrowgo123] 1
#7838911 - 01/06/08 11:23 AM (16 years, 25 days ago) |
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$7.500 isn't much to work with investmentwise.
You could invest in gold coins and silver bars. For these it looks like there could be quite some growth in the coming few years.
5 gold Krugerrands and 2 100-oz bars of silver would be an option.
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Re: Got $7,500 to invest...help? [Re: Asante] 1
#8151221 - 03/15/08 08:50 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Isn't it too late to jump in on the gold bandwagon?
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Re: Got $7,500 to invest...help? [Re: Derk] 1
#8151887 - 03/15/08 11:27 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Isn't it too late to jump in on the gold bandwagon?
Note the date on the post, and what you would have gotten for 7.5 grand a mere two months ago.
Gold is at $1.000 an ounce. I've stopped buying it quite some months ago, shit's already getting out of hand.
The point I'm personally considering to heavily unload my gold would be around $1.200/troz. As you see, I consider gaining a mere 20% more to be a substantial sell moment.
Might Gold reach the $1.500-2.000 range the Cheuvreux Gold Report considers a likely possibility? Why yes, but I intend to shed considerable gold before finding out.
My dream would be shedding a lot of gold and converting it to silver and/or palladium which in that dream are not too high at that time 
The only thing (as an european) holding me back from selling a lot around $1.200 would be an unstable euro. If I lived in the USA would I sell at $1.200 an ounce? FUCK NO! I don't want Dollars, thats like betting on a three-legged horse.
Selling gold is blasphemy, if you're selling for dollars.
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#8164868 - 03/18/08 11:33 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: Got $7,500 to invest...help? [Re: Maldozer] 1
#8165703 - 03/19/08 08:42 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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heh - i was looking for this thread last night, didn't realize it was so old.
I recently decided that since the market is not doing it's best, this low-point in our economic cycle is the time to get involved in investing.
I'm a senior in college, got a semester and a half left. I have childhood bond money and some scholarship funds that I have access to and I'm trying to decide what to do with them. I want relatively low risk, to the point that I'm debating just setting up my RothIRA now when i'm young. Once i graduate and secure a "real job" I'll be investing heavily (no less than 25% of my income) while I have no family or relationship obligations.
In all honesty - I'm clueless. My dad worked for Meryll Lynch, and later Morgan Stanely/Dean Witter for a while - but he was in marketing, not trading. He knows quite a bit, but doesn't do this on the daily like some of you all. He recommended putting it into Dow Jones index fund, or something of that sort.
Opinions? Ideas? Recommendations? post 'em here or PM me with any advice you'd like to throw out.
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Re: Got $7,500 to invest...help? [Re: Dimmy] 1
#8166125 - 03/19/08 11:08 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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easy, when you know the fed is going to lower interest rates, short the market, hopefully the market goes down due to the interest cut, and you profit!
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Re: Got $7,500 to invest...help? [Re: memes] 1
#8166502 - 03/19/08 12:56 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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I don't know what antimatt3r is smoking, but generally speaking, lower interest rates are a positive for equity/stocks. It so happens that the Fed begins cutting rates at a time when the market is facing headwinds, but the actual rate cuts themselves will typically act as an upside catalyst. Especially at this point, when the Fed has been cutting for months, it is not the time to short the market IMO.
meams, an index fund is a great way to start - low fees, market performance, it's a no brainer, and will allow your money to perform alongside the market (which over the long term is the highest yielding asset class you can own), while you yourself learn about the way the market works and trends.
Read this post I made (link), which I beefed up last week after having received a lot of PM's about where to start when one wants to invest. It'll touch on most of the important points I believe a new investor should learn right from the get go.
Also, you seem to suggest that a Roth IRA is going to offer you "low risk"... a self-directed Roth IRA is the same as any investment account, you have to pick and choose where you want to invest your money. The difference with an IRA is the tax advantage over the long term, which will really add up if you start young. Therefore, I would highly suggest opening your first account as a Roth IRA, but make no mistake, there's no fundamental reason that a Roth IRA will be less risky than a traditional brokerage account, as you are still responsible for picking which specific investments either account will hold.
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Re: Got $7,500 to invest...help? [Re: geokills] 1
#8167022 - 03/19/08 02:42 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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geokills said: Therefore, I would highly suggest opening your first account as a Roth IRA, but make no mistake, there's no fundamental reason that a Roth IRA will be less risky than a traditional brokerage account, as you are still responsible for picking which specific investments either account will hold.
How is it less risky if you get to pick them?
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Re: Got $7,500 to invest...help? [Re: Derk] 1
#8167426 - 03/19/08 03:52 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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I think you may have misread my statement. Quote:
there's no fundamental reason that a Roth IRA will be less risky than a traditional brokerage account
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Re: Got $7,500 to invest...help? [Re: geokills] 1
#8167847 - 03/19/08 04:53 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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sorry, I just get too excited sometimes lol =/
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Re: Got $7,500 to invest...help? [Re: Derk] 1
#8170004 - 03/19/08 11:52 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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great info geo. sorry for any misunderstandings i may have prevoiusly made. I'll be sure to read that info in detail tomorrow when i can think properly.
Thanks all
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Re: Got $7,500 to invest...help? [Re: gogrowgo123] 1
#8228353 - 04/02/08 12:09 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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You should invest that money in real estate. Everything else is a gamble.
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