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Did GSP cheat to beat Penn?
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I guess if you are a fan of MMA you know what is going on, but here is a link to the news source i got this from.  On there are other links to other sources covering this...

I mean i feel bad for Penn, but would this have made that big of a difference?

http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/blog/mma_experts/post/Did-GSP-s-corner-cheat-to-give-him-an-edge-?urn=mma,138156

Edited:

Got this from Newsday as well..

http://weblogs.newsday.com/sports/specialevent/ultimate_fighter/blog/2009/02/did_georges_st_pierre_cheat.html


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Edited by MrSinister (02/02/09 07:51 PM)

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Re: Did GSP cheat to beat Penn? [Re: MrSinister]
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bj penn didnt show up for this fight , he looked like someone in a bar toughman competition being handed a nice beating, show me a video of the corner smearing a salve on their hands and rubbing it on the french canadian. otherwise it is a smear campaign


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Re: Did GSP cheat to beat Penn? [Re: 5150]
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I think these are the ones they are talking about.. This i think is between round one and two.. They are trying to say they are rubbing shit on him so BJ couldn't hold him.




Though if you look at pic two it shows the guy from the Nevada state commission grab a towel out of the guys hands, and try and wipe down GSP before round 3....  Man i swear to god this is sour grapes on Penn.




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Re: Did GSP cheat to beat Penn? [Re: MrSinister]
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there is NO REASON whatsoever for a cornerman to be karressing GSP's shoulders like that.


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Re: Did GSP cheat to beat Penn? [Re: LiquidSmoke]
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really, u have never seen anyone in someones corner rub their fighters muscles between rounds, i think your being facetious
anyway whatever let them fight again BJ will lose again , i would have liked to see it continue and the island  racist get some big cuts.... or worse...stopped way too early...


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Re: Did GSP cheat to beat Penn? [Re: LiquidSmoke]
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LiquidSmoke said:
there is NO REASON whatsoever for a cornerman to be karressing GSP's shoulders like that.



Well GSP'S people said he will rematch him if he wants.


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Re: Did GSP cheat to beat Penn? [Re: 5150]
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you're not very observant, are you?

massaging a fighter's muscles is not the same thing as lightly carressing their skin.


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Re: Did GSP cheat to beat Penn? [Re: MrSinister]
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I think the outcome would have been the same regardless. GSP should fire the black dude and beat Penn down for a third time.


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Re: Did GSP cheat to beat Penn? [Re: MrSinister]
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dont get me wrong, i think gsp proved himself the superior fighter, if not by size strategy alone,



but just like with sakuraba vs akiyama, even if the winning fighter was always the better one, i'd rather have seen a more legitimate contest.




i've been watching mma for a long time now, and this shit just ignites older frustrations.


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Re: Did GSP cheat to beat Penn? [Re: LiquidSmoke]
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Does anybody know how long Phil Nurse has been in GSP's corner?


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Re: Did GSP cheat to beat Penn? [Re: MrSinister]
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It obviously didn't affect the fight at all, whatever little ceremony it was they were doing.  They should have seen this coming though.


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Re: Did GSP cheat to beat Penn? [Re: Jadian]
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To quote Dana White...

"I saw the commission jump up there and flip out," said White.  "They said one of the guys was rubbing Vaseline on Georges' back in between rounds. It was one and two, I think. I personally didn't see it, the commission did. And that's about as illegal as you can get... I'm sure the commission is going to deal (with it)."




My thing is when the NSAC  saw this, between rounds one and two, according to Dana  White, why didn't he do anything? Then he sees this again in round two to three, and all he did was wipe GSP off with a towel..Isn't NSAC at fault for not stepping in, and saying what the hell are you doing?  You know when this gets proven official, then i hope they do suspend Nurse, because he put both Penn, and GSP in danger.


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Edited by MrSinister (02/03/09 01:24 AM)

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Re: Did GSP cheat to beat Penn? [Re: MrSinister]
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So if this was such a big deal how come the guy in the red jacket didn't seem to do very much, or care?


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Re: Did GSP cheat to beat Penn? [Re: LiquidSmoke]
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http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/mma/news;_ylt=Asp9KD5JxdtRB1OTIKrI5eYMNwU6?slug=ys-mmaweek020109&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

"The fighters of Greg Jackson’s team are no strangers to ritual inside the octagon.


First there’s the “Jackson nipple tweak,” a bizarre, if amusing, twist of the nipples his fighters often do before fighting, believed to prepare them for intense battle inside the Octagon.


Now, there appears to be a new ritual in Jackson’s camp, and it’s the source of controversy following Georges St. Pierre’s rout of B.J. Penn at Saturday’s UFC 94.


St. Pierre’s cornermen, including Jackson, were at the center of a storm at UFC 94 after officials from the Nevada State Athletic Commission approached them during the fight to investigate allegations that they were applying Vasoline to St. Pierre in between rounds.

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Jackson spoke to MMAWeekly.com on Sunday afternoon and said the misunderstanding arose after Phil Nurse, one of St. Pierre’s cornermen, executed a ritual taught by a member of St. Pierre’s team, a “witch doctor” named Steven Friend.


“So in between rounds, (Friend) had this little drill that you do – and Phil Nurse is the one who knows how to do it – he showed Phil, and this is what Georges wanted, so we did that,” Jackson said. “But this is why we were doing it. He rubbed your back and tapped your chest; I don’t know exactly how it works. But anyways, what that’s supposed to do is get your energy in line, or motivated or whatever. So in between rounds, we had Phil Nurse do that.”


Jackson said St. Pierre has worked with Friend for years, since the French-Canadian began training at Jackson’s academy in Albuquerque, N.M. Jackson says Friend has also worked with Matt Hughes and Randy Couture in preparation for their fights. Friend was featured in the sixth season of “The Ultimate Fighter” as a guest of Hughes.


“The controversy came because Phil Nurse also was putting Vasoline on Georges’ eyebrows,” Jackson elaborated. “In between rounds, you always want to put on Vasoline on (a fighter’s face). So Phil Nurse put all the Vasoline on his face, so his hands might have had a miniscule amount left over from that, when he went around the side and rubbed a little point on his back, and tapped on his chest.


“At that point, somebody in the audience thought we were greasing George down, and ran over and told the commission that we were greasing his body down. The commission came in and said ‘you can’t grease him down,’ which didn’t work. They said ‘you’re putting Vasoline on his back,’ and Phil’s like, ‘oh, there might be a little on my fingers, but it wasn’t intentional at all, and of course they wiped it right off and it was gone, so it wasn’t a factor in the fight at all.”


Indeed, much of the fight played out with St. Pierre on top of Penn, doling out a vicious ground and pound attack. Jackson said after a little explaining, the commission realized what was going on.


“We told our side of the story, we said didn’t mean to put any grease anywhere,” he said. “If we were trying to grease the back we’d be greasing up and down, we would make it count. We wouldn’t do a little tiny spot in the back. The whole thing doesn’t make any sense, so they were fine with it once we gave our explanation. It wasn’t like we were taking gobs of Vasoline and slathering on his back. They didn’t understand the drill that the witch doctor was having us do, and so it looked that way. It didn’t effect the fight at all.”


As of Sunday night, despite reports to the contrary, no formal complaint has been filed with the NSAC. The popular trainer chalks the whole incident up to fan paranoia.


“The whole greasing thing is pretty ridiculous,” he said. “You can’t grease somebody up. You just couldn’t do it. They check your body before you get into the cage, there’s an inspector right there. In order for us to grease him up, it would be insane. There are cameras everywhere. We don’t cheat. We don’t need to cheat to win.”


Jackson said he wasn’t aware if St. Pierre’s ritual was related to the infamous “nipple tweak,” as the whole business was “out of his domain.” As long as it made his fighter feel better, he was all for it.


“If it works, we’re going to use it,” he said."

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Re: Did GASP cheat to beat Penn? [Re: Spooge]
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Smoothen said:
http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/mma/news;_ylt=Asp9KD5JxdtRB1OTIKrI5eYMNwU6?slug=ys-mmaweek020109&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

"The fighters of Greg Jackson’s team are no strangers to ritual inside the octagon.


First there’s the “Jackson nipple tweak,” a bizarre, if amusing, twist of the nipples his fighters often do before fighting, believed to prepare them for intense battle inside the Octagon.


Now, there appears to be a new ritual in Jackson’s camp, and it’s the source of controversy following Georges St. Pierre’s rout of B.J. Penn at Saturday’s FC 94.


St. Pierre’s corner men, including Jackson, were at the center of a storm at FC 94 after officials from the Nevada State Athletic Commission approached them during the fight to investigate allegations that they were applying Vaseline to St. Pierre in between rounds.

ADVERTISEMENT


Jackson spoke to Midweekly.com on Sunday afternoon and said the misunderstanding arose after Phil Nurse, one of St. Pierre’s corner men, executed a ritual taught by a member of St. Pierre’s team, a “witch doctor” named Steven Friend.


“So in between rounds, (Friend) had this little drill that you do – and Phil Nurse is the one who knows how to do it – he showed Phil, and this is what Georges wanted, so we did that,” Jackson said. “But this is why we were doing it. He rubbed your back and tapped your chest; I don’t know exactly how it works. But anyways, what that’s supposed to do is get your energy in line, or motivated or whatever. So in between rounds, we had Phil Nurse do that.”


Jackson said St. Pierre has worked with Friend for years, since the French-Canadian began training at Jackson’s academy in Albuquerque, N.M. Jackson says Friend has also worked with Matt Hughes and Randy Couture in preparation for their fights. Friend was featured in the sixth season of “The Ultimate Fighter” as a guest of Hughes.


“The controversy came because Phil Nurse also was putting Vaseline on Georges’ eyebrows,” Jackson elaborated. “In between rounds, you always want to put on Vaseline on (a fighter’s face). So Phil Nurse put all the Vaseline on his face, so his hands might have had a minuscule amount left over from that, when he went around the side and rubbed a little point on his back, and tapped on his chest.


“At that point, somebody in the audience thought we were greasing George down, and ran over and told the commission that we were greasing his body down. The commission came in and said ‘you can’t grease him down,’ which did’t work. They said ‘you’re putting Vaseline on his back,’ and Phil’s like, ‘oh, there might be a little on my fingers, but it wan’t intentional at all, and of course they wiped it right off and it was gone, so it wan’t a factor in the fight at all.”


Indeed, much of the fight played out with St. Pierre on top of Penn, doling out a vicious ground and pound attack. Jackson said after a little explaining, the commission realized what was going on.


“We told our side of the story, we said did’t mean to put any grease anywhere,” he said. “If we were trying to grease the back we’d be greasing up and down, we would make it count. We would’t do a little tiny spot in the back. The whole thing dozen’t make any sense, so they were fine with it once we gave our explanation. It wan’t like we were taking gobs of Vaseline and slathering on his back. They did’t understand the drill that the witch doctor was having us do, and so it looked that way. It did’t effect the fight at all.”


As of Sunday night, despite reports to the contrary, no formal complaint has been filed with the NS AC. The popular trainer chalks the whole incident up to fan paranoia.


“The whole greasing thing is pretty ridiculous,” he said. “You can’t grease somebody up. You just could’t do it. They check your body before you get into the cage, there’s an inspector right there. In order for us to grease him up, it would be insane. There are cameras everywhere. We don’t cheat. We don’t need to cheat to win.”


Jackson said he wan’t aware if St. Pierre’s ritual was related to the infamous “nipple tweak,” as the whole business was “out of his domain.” As long as it made his fighter feel better, he was all for it.


“If it works, we’re going to use it,” he said."




OK right there Jackson is full of shit, cause i watched that fight over 6 times watching between the rounds, and Nurse ain't tapping his chest and shoulders.  The mother fucker was rubbing them like he was trying to jerk GSP off.  :rotfl:

NSAC is reviewing this, and i am waiting to see how many past fights, old Nurse "forgot" to wipe his hands, and massaged GSP lovingly.. :rotfl:

If this is a isolated incident then chalk it up to get a fucking towel, and wipe your hands, before you give out the titty, and back-rubs...  :rotfl:

If not, Nurse needs to go, cause i think it's insulting he thinks GSP needs him to cheat for him.

 
But MMA needs a decent controversy i guess.. Been about 11 years since the last good  one.  :rofl2:


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Re: Did GASP cheat to beat Penn? [Re: MrSinister]
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You (and most everybody else) are looking waaaay too much into this.  If someone was intentionally greasing up their torso the top of the shoulders and chest would be the least effective place to try to grease up to gain an advantage.  If you can even find an instance of Penn touching the area that was supposedly greased I'd be surprised. 

It was a dumb ritual to have the same guy putting Vaseline on your face to do, no questions asked.  If the commission thought he was cheating they wouldn't have allowed his cornermen in the cage in between the other rounds. 

Stupid? Yes.  Trying to gain an unfair advantage? No. 

And this isn't even as close to as much of a controversy that surrounded Kimbo's last fight... which is again an equally retarded controversy.  Sure they tried to fix the fight for Kimbo by asking Seth to keep standing, and he KTFO'd Kimbo so who cares.


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Re: Did GASP cheat to beat Penn? [Re: Jadian]
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I agree with all that, and i took GSP to win that fight. The problem is Nurse is an idiot.  He got that shit all over his hands, so of course people are going to look at it.. Like i said just come out and say " Look i didn't realize i was rubbing that on him, and i am sorry to cause this problem.. But the second time they grabbed the shit out of his hands and kicked it out the ring as i saw written...  :rotfl:

Stupid ritual indeed.. :rotfl:

Oh shit i forgot the Kimbo fight..... :eek:


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Re: Did GSP cheat to beat Penn? [Re: MrSinister]
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MrSinister said:
My thing is when the NSAC  saw this, between rounds one and two, according to Dana  White, why didn't he do anything?






it's cuz he's Dana White.


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Re: Did GSP cheat to beat Penn? [Re: LiquidSmoke]
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LiquidSmoke said:
MrSinister said:
My thing is when the NSAC  saw this, between rounds one and two, according to Dana  White, why didn't he do anything?






it's cuz he's Dana White.




Ah who gives a fuck... My ending statement is this no matter what happened, if BJ feels he was ripped off, fight part 3, and take another beating from GSP.. Case closed.


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Re: Did GSP cheat to beat Penn? [Re: MrSinister]
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yeah, GSP did pretty much show he was superior.  He was smart with his strategy going into the fight.


there's no way bj submits gsp.  He has a fantastic gaurd no doubt, but it's really no Shinya Aoki.


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