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Re: Is time travel scientifically possible? [Re: ronjohn7779]
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ronjohn7779 said:
Only going back into time is theoretically possible at this moment. Some scientist say if you have a crazy person knocking on your door saying they're a distant relative from the future that you might just want to hear what they have to say, because they might not be so crazy after all...


*Knock* *Knock*

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Re: Is time travel scientifically possible? [Re: Syd_barret]
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Syd_barret said:
krypto2000 said:
Time travel is not, nor will ever be possible.


Until time is no longer possible.



Why not?


The fact that physicists such as hawking, and carl sagan discuss these topics and basically agree that its theoretically possible kinda leans me towards the camp of that maybe one day it will be possible.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_travel

^^ Wiki actually has some good things to say about it.


Because time is relative to the beholder; forget it exists, and it won't.

the fact that physicists such as hawking, and carl sagan believe these topics to be true basically makes you agree with them. It is theoretically possible. Kinda leans me to believe your camp.

Sorry I can't be more clear.

edit: I hope I didn't kill the thread. Sorry for all the duplicate posts, I wasn't aware I actually entered them until I went to read em afterwards lol.

edit: If I defined [my concept of] time, then it would no longer exist [for you].

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Qubit said:
If you consider time from the thermodynamic perspective, an over-unity perpetual motion device would be a time machine.  Unfortunately that doesnt make it any easier to achieve.


God, soul, self. It exists. If it didn't the universe wouldn't exist. Whether you believe it's a part of the universe is another matter. An entirely irrelevant one.

note: If you want my post to make sense, don't forget to read what you wrote first; in other words, all of it.

Edited by krypto2000 (01/23/09 02:36 PM)

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Re: Is time travel scientifically possible? [Re: krypto2000]
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Check the date stamp. Ignore the edit. Then call me crazy.

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Re: Is time travel scientifically possible? [Re: krypto2000]
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WANTED: Somebody to go back in time with me. This is not a joke.  You'll get paid after we get back. Must bring your own weapons. Safety not guaranteed. I have only done this once before.


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Everything I say on here is Just My Humble Opinion, not a fact.  Everything I say is just a generalization from my perspective.  So chill out.

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Re: Is time travel scientifically possible? [Re: GaiaAnnunaki]
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GaiaAnnunaki said:


WANTED: Somebody to go back in time with me. This is not a joke.  You'll get paid after we get back. Must bring your own weapons. Safety not guaranteed. I have only done this once before.


Position filled.

I'll do it.
I want at least 20 bucks.

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Re: Is time travel scientifically possible? [Re: Syd_barret]
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:rofl:


it was an add in the newspaper awhile back.
i can't believe you havent seen it :lol:


well i thought i could find the picture of the actual newspaper clipping but i can't find it. it was circulating the internet for awhile


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I don't believe in cops, bosses, or politicians. Some call that anarchism. I call it having a fucking heart that beats.


Edited by igwna (01/24/09 01:59 AM)

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Re: Is time travel scientifically possible? [Re: igwna]
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:lol:


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Turn off your mind, relax and floatdown stream. It is not dying. Lay down all thought, surrender to the void. It is shining.
:darkside: Pink Floyd :darkside:

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Re: Is time travel scientifically possible? [Re: NlightNd1]
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Reads like a koan to me.

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Re: Is time travel scientifically possible? [Re: krypto2000]
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just because your matter moves at a relative speed faster or slower than all other matter, does not mean that you have travelled in time. 
Similarly, if you're all talking about going back and looking at dinosaurs, then that's just ludicris.  Time is non-existant, and the events that transpire through history cannot be re witnessed.

Why anyone would want to explore this is beyond me anyway.  We have enough problems in the present to be wanting to move outside of it.


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I'm ahead, I'm advanced
I am the first mammal to make plans, yeah
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher
2010, watch it go to fire.
It's evolution baby.
-Pearl Jam

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Re: Is time travel scientifically possible? [Re: Kanker]
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> Time is non-existant

So what do clocks measure if time doesn't exist?


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Re: Is time travel scientifically possible? [Re: Seuss]
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time is a man-made method of making scheduling his/her day easier?

clocks are the tools that help us measure this method.




personally, i think maybe this idea is insane (that time is non-existent) because it is very real to me.

i can understand what people are getting at and it certainly is food for thought.. but its going a little too deep into things if you ask me.
i'd rather save my brain power for things more along the meaning of life, and who i am exactly :awesome:





i once saw a study to prove/disprove time travel. a college student hosted a large kind of party inviting all people from the future. there will be free food and coffee, hoping to gain enough publicity for it to be well-known about. people in the future would see this recorded, hop in their time machines and check it out.

no one showed. :shrug:

doesn't prove or disprove anything i guess. his arguement was that no one showed up becasue of maybe catastrophic events, time travelers were too busy, etc.


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Re: Is time travel scientifically possible? [Re: Kanker]
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Time is a fundamental part of our dimension. It is not some man-made concept. It actually exists and in fact there is a direct link between gravity and the flow of time. Time is just a creation of our reality that exists to establish a sequential order of events to prevent everything from happening simultaneously. It's just an illusion of our reality and perception but it does exist within the tapestry of our physical universe.


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Turn off your mind, relax and floatdown stream. It is not dying. Lay down all thought, surrender to the void. It is shining.
:darkside: Pink Floyd :darkside:

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Re: Is time travel scientifically possible? [Re: NlightNd1]
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Time is just the rotation of the planet measured.


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Everything I say on here is Just My Humble Opinion, not a fact.  Everything I say is just a generalization from my perspective.  So chill out.

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Re: Is time travel scientifically possible? [Re: GaiaAnnunaki]
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Sure time is a 'man made concept' in the same manner that length, mass or charge are all man made concepts.  Saying its a man made concept doesn't mean anything and sure doesn't negate the usefullness of considering time.

Time is not just the rotation of the planet measured either (that doesn't really make sense because to measure the rotation of the planet you have to beg to an external 'time'). 

Time is the measure of the progression from improbable states to probable states.  Also knows as an increase in entropy (the arrow of time).  Another definition is more abstract, in that time is one of the four dimensions of spacetime - the fabric in which all phenomenon occur.

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Re: Is time travel scientifically possible? [Re: DieCommie]
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no.

They did it by looking at the position of the sun in the sky.

The rotation.

Science does not concern itself with time.  Does it matter if they do a experiment on wednesday or tuesday? at 2:00pm or 2:00am?


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Everything I say on here is Just My Humble Opinion, not a fact.  Everything I say is just a generalization from my perspective.  So chill out.

Edited by GaiaAnnunaki (01/28/09 01:45 AM)

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Re: Is time travel scientifically possible? [Re: GaiaAnnunaki]
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> Does it matter if they do a experiment on wednesday or tuesday? at 2:00pm or 2:00am?

Yes, absolutely.

In physics, time is a fundamental unit that is used to define other units such as velocity, acceleration, etc.  There are seven fundamental units: second, kilogram, meter, ampere, kelvin, candela, and mole.

By claiming that time doesn't exist, you are confusing philosophy with science.


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Re: Is time travel scientifically possible? [Re: GaiaAnnunaki]
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Yes it does matter.  How do you know when your intial time was?

t0 = something

first increment , t1= something


Just as i may be concerned with the change in molarity of a reactant in some reaction if I'm doing some measurements of a chemical reaction in process (god help me if I am) I will be interested in the change in time.


What is the rate?  What is the halflife?  What is any of the other inane things physical chemists measure? 


You're saying it doesn't matter?  Or are you trying to differentiate the manner in which we determine time from time itself?  i.e. are you tryiing to argue in the earth example that we aren't measuring time when we are measuring the earth change its position predictably to determine the hour and such? Likewise with quartz watches and so on?


If that's your point, does length exist?  Are we really measuring length when we measure a bar?  Seems that could only be an argument against everything that we don't have perfect percision on rather than a unique indictment of time.

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Seuss, I never got the amp thing as the fundamental electric unit.  Is its status as a fundamental unit just a historical artifact kinda like the direction of current flow being inopposite to the actual electron movement?  I mean why wouldn't charge be the fundamental unit since it appears everywhere in electrical measurements but amps don't?

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Re: Is time travel scientifically possible? [Re: johnm214]
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> Seuss, I never got the amp thing as the fundamental electric unit.

It does seem odd, since amperes are coulombs per second and coulombs are a fundamental quantity.  However, the ampere is easy to measure while the coulomb is not.  To measure a coulomb, we actually measure amperes over time to derive the number of coulombs.


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