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Re: Since KOTT wants to have a cunt hunt how about we start here? [Re: zappaisgod]
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paid administrative leave.... that sounds like a vacation to me, not discipline


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Re: Since KOTT wants to have a cunt hunt how about we start here? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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So far.  She's a gummint employee and thus can't be summarily cashiered.  Yet.


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Re: Since KOTT wants to have a cunt hunt how about we start here? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said:
"Obama is a legitimate political figure, shit like that needs
to happen to him, Joe the plumber is just a regular guy...
seems their rules are only strict when accessing the records
of 'prominent' people, would there have been an alert if
someone accessed the passport info of ol' Joe?"



Joe the Plumber used to be a regular guy.
Once McCain made him into a political figure, and a central theme to his economic platform, Joe became fair game in the same way any candidate is scrutinized for skeletons.

The only thing that differentiates this incident from virtually hundreds of identical searches that take place in any election (US, CA, AU, UK, etc) is that these people were not smart enough to know how to disseminate the info without getting caught.

Every time someone runs for office in a democracy, the opposition will attempt to discredit the candidate with either factual, twisted, or misleading information.
Every time a candidate props up a mouthpiece, the same discrediting happens to the mouth.
We see this time after time, every election cycle.

Dirty tricks are nothing new, I remember watching the Watergate stories break years ago, and the dirt has been going on for well over 100 years. There are many stories of this type of action by all political parties. Google this: "How to Rig an Election: Confessions of a Republican Operative". Or, this:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/28/as-election-nears-dirty-t_n_138607.html

Don't get me wrong here: I don't condone these types of tactics, I would much prefer to see politics without the muckraking. However, it seems to work for some people.

Just my .02


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Re: Since KOTT wants to have a cunt hunt how about we start here? [Re: hummermania00]
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Blow, I mean call, me when Joe the Plumber runs for office.  Until then, he has been abused by Dem Fascists (redundant, I know).


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Re: Since KOTT wants to have a cunt hunt how about we start here? [Re: zappaisgod]
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Wait, wasn't it McBush that was dragging him to rallies and talking about him everyday?


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Re: Since KOTT wants to have a cunt hunt how about we start here? [Re: pinkfloydms]
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pinkfloydms said:
Wait, wasn't it McBush that was dragging him to rallies and talking about him everyday?


The guy hired a publicist, for Chrissakes.

At some point you're public record.


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If it is life that you feel you are missing I can tell you where to find it.  In the law courts, in business, in government.  There is nothing occurring in the streets. Nothing but a dumbshow composed of the helpless and the impotent.    -Cormac MacCarthy

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Re: Since KOTT wants to have a cunt hunt how about we start here? [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said:

Because the Patriot Act has zero impact on just about everybody.  There is a tiny population of people who the Patriot may affect and just about all of them are scumbags.  Phred long ago put out a challenge to anyone here at all who might have somehow run afoul of the Patriot Act.  Nobody has.  It is a paranoid's pipe dream.  It also happens to be the Law.



Source that it has zero impact on just about everybody?  I was refused a bank account a bit ago for not being able to comply with the patriot act.  The bank manager had known me for years yet I didn't have the ID required by the act and the rules promulgated pursuant to the act, so I was declined untill I got it.  The patriot act hinders folks who want to open up buisness accounts in the DBA name, or just cash checks written to the buisness, if they don't have a tax ID number and supporting documentation for the business or any permits et cet.

And given that much of the doings of the patriot act are secret, I don't think you can make the claim you just did.  Given that the notorious provisions have been abused, in my opinion, and that even congress doesn't know who has been targeted and for what, I don't think your charecterization is accurate.  We just don't know how much the notorious provisions of the patriot act are being abused and to what degree, and the other portions effect a great deal of people- including myself.


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On March 9, 2007, a Justice Department audit found that the FBI had "improperly and, in some cases, illegally used the USA PATRIOT Act to secretly obtain personal information" about United States citizens.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,2030542,00.html

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The Patriot Act: Business Balks
It's joining critics who seek to curb the law's wide-ranging investigative powers. And Capitol Hill is listening


Las Vegas Mayor Oscar B. Goodman loves to remind visitors of Sin City's oh-so-discreet tagline: "What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas." But since the New Year's celebrations ringing in 2004, he has had to modify the motto. Fearing a terrorist attack, the FBI descended on casinos, car rental agencies, storage warehouses, and other Las Vegas businesses with sheaves of "national security letters" demanding financial records covering about 1 million revelers. Startled business owners who questioned the action were told they had one choice: cough up their documents or wind up in court.


http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/nov2005/nf20051110_9709_db016.htm


I agree it is the law and therefore different than this situation, but so what?  Both are abuses of power.  Cockfighting is not an issue of national security.

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It is critical for everyone to understand what the Patriot Act means for our success in the war against terrorism. Armed with the tools provided by the Patriot Act, the men and women of justice and law enforcement have dedicated themselves to the unfinished work of those who resisted, those who assisted, and those who sacrificed on 11 September.


John Ashcroft

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/john-ashcroft-the-patriot-act-defeats-terrorism-537086.html



If its so great, and specifically introduced and needed for terrorism, why don't we limit it to terrorism investigations?  Why do we nee d it open ended for whatever purpose the executive wants to use it for?  Cockfighting?  Million folks' financial records in vegas?  This is terrorism?


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If it is it will be found so.  So far?  Nope.  I'm sure you are quite disappointed that you have not been named to the Supreme Court but when you are I'll be watching.



What's your point?  That the law is so mysterious nobody could understand it?  Laws are writen down in this country.  We can read them.  If they conflict with other authority you can notice this.  Rulings also exist and are writen down.  If you want to debate the legality of the act, fine, but my credentials are irrelevant.


And you are wrong

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Re: Since KOTT wants to have a cunt hunt how about we start here? [Re: johnm214]
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johnm214 said:
zappaisgod said:

Because the Patriot Act has zero impact on just about everybody.  There is a tiny population of people who the Patriot may affect and just about all of them are scumbags.  Phred long ago put out a challenge to anyone here at all who might have somehow run afoul of the Patriot Act.  Nobody has.  It is a paranoid's pipe dream.  It also happens to be the Law.



Source that it has zero impact on just about everybody?  I was refused a bank account a bit ago for not being able to comply with the patriot act.  The bank manager had known me for years yet I didn't have the ID required by the act and the rules promulgated pursuant to the act, so I was declined untill I got it.  The patriot act hinders folks who want to open up buisness accounts in the DBA name, or just cash checks written to the buisness, if they don't have a tax ID number and supporting documentation for the business or any permits et cet.


Ummmm, there is absolutely nothing new about that.  You have needed a tax payer ID to open a bank account since I have been opening bank accounts, which is almost 4 decades now.  I have no idea what you are talking about.
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And given that much of the doings of the patriot act are secret, I don't think you can make the claim you just did.  Given that the notorious provisions have been abused, in my opinion, and that even congress doesn't know who has been targeted and for what, I don't think your charecterization is accurate.  We just don't know how much the notorious provisions of the patriot act are being abused and to what degree, and the other portions effect a great deal of people- including myself.


Again with just paranoid observations.  "We don't know what the Patriot Act has done because it sooper seekrit."
Drivel.
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On March 9, 2007, a Justice Department audit found that the FBI had "improperly and, in some cases, illegally used the USA PATRIOT Act to secretly obtain personal information" about United States citizens.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,2030542,00.html

Quote:
The Patriot Act: Business Balks
It's joining critics who seek to curb the law's wide-ranging investigative powers. And Capitol Hill is listening


Las Vegas Mayor Oscar B. Goodman loves to remind visitors of Sin City's oh-so-discreet tagline: "What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas." But since the New Year's celebrations ringing in 2004, he has had to modify the motto. Fearing a terrorist attack, the FBI descended on casinos, car rental agencies, storage warehouses, and other Las Vegas businesses with sheaves of "national security letters" demanding financial records covering about 1 million revelers. Startled business owners who questioned the action were told they had one choice: cough up their documents or wind up in court.


http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/nov2005/nf20051110_9709_db016.htm


I agree it is the law and therefore different than this situation, but so what?  Both are abuses of power.  Cockfighting is not an issue of national security.


Again, what did that have to do with you?  Nothing.
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It is critical for everyone to understand what the Patriot Act means for our success in the war against terrorism. Armed with the tools provided by the Patriot Act, the men and women of justice and law enforcement have dedicated themselves to the unfinished work of those who resisted, those who assisted, and those who sacrificed on 11 September.


John Ashcroft

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/john-ashcroft-the-patriot-act-defeats-terrorism-537086.html



If its so great, and specifically introduced and needed for terrorism, why don't we limit it to terrorism investigations?  Why do we nee d it open ended for whatever purpose the executive wants to use it for?  Cockfighting?  Million folks' financial records in vegas?  This is terrorism?


Ummmmm, what happened with that?  Nothing.
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If it is it will be found so.  So far?  Nope.  I'm sure you are quite disappointed that you have not been named to the Supreme Court but when you are I'll be watching.



What's your point?  That the law is so mysterious nobody could understand it?  Laws are writen down in this country.  We can read them.  If they conflict with other authority you can notice this.  Rulings also exist and are writen down.  If you want to debate the legality of the act, fine, but my credentials are irrelevant.


Yes, you can read them.  There are also lots of secrets.  As there should be.
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And you are wrong


No, I am not.


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Re: Since KOTT wants to have a cunt hunt how about we start here? [Re: zappaisgod]
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    And you are wrong



No, I am not.

This is the political forum in a nutshell.:lol:


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Re: Since KOTT wants to have a cunt hunt how about we start here? [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:

    And you are wrong



No, I am not.

This is the political forum in a nutshell.:lol:


Sometimes, for sure.


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Re: Since KOTT wants to have a cunt hunt how about we start here? [Re: zappaisgod]
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I notice other people tend be wrong alot when they argue with me.

I'm not sure why this is.


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After one comes, through contact with it's administrators, no longer to cherish greatly the law as a remedy in abuses, then the bottle becomes a sovereign means of direct action.  If you cannot throw it at least you can always drink out of it.  - Ernest Hemingway

If it is life that you feel you are missing I can tell you where to find it.  In the law courts, in business, in government.  There is nothing occurring in the streets. Nothing but a dumbshow composed of the helpless and the impotent.    -Cormac MacCarthy

He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.  - Aeschylus

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Re: Since KOTT wants to have a cunt hunt how about we start here? [Re: Madtowntripper]
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It's because you are a huge genius. :whoa:


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Re: Since KOTT wants to have a cunt hunt how about we start here? [Re: Icelander]
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I won't lie, this thought has crossed my mind more than once.


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After one comes, through contact with it's administrators, no longer to cherish greatly the law as a remedy in abuses, then the bottle becomes a sovereign means of direct action.  If you cannot throw it at least you can always drink out of it.  - Ernest Hemingway

If it is life that you feel you are missing I can tell you where to find it.  In the law courts, in business, in government.  There is nothing occurring in the streets. Nothing but a dumbshow composed of the helpless and the impotent.    -Cormac MacCarthy

He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.  - Aeschylus

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Re: Since KOTT wants to have a cunt hunt how about we start here? [Re: Madtowntripper]
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Well it takes one to recognize one.:thumbup:


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Re: Since KOTT wants to have a cunt hunt how about we start here? [Re: Madtowntripper]
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Madtowntripper said:
I notice other people tend be wrong alot when they argue with me.



I thought i was wrong once, I was mistaken


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