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Why Palin = Fail
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The article argues that the culture war in America is coming to an end, much like it did in the 1930s after the Great Depression. The author, Peter Beinart, suggests that the current economic crisis has shifted the focus of the country away from identity politics and towards economic issues. He points to the decline of Sarah Palin's popularity as a prime example of this shift, as her brand of culture war politics is no longer resonating with voters. Beinart notes that younger generations, who have grown up in a more diverse and inclusive society, are less interested in the cultural battles of the 1960s and more concerned with economic survival. He believes that the Republican Party will need to adapt to this new reality and move beyond the kind of identity politics that Palin represents in order to be competitive in the future.

this article really echoes my own beliefs about society. we all know that as much as conservatives fight and complain, society progresses. no matter what, progressives always win in the end. conservatives today would even be considered flaming liberal by conservatives of just 100yrs ago.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/02/AR2008110201718.html

Last of the Culture Warriors


By Peter Beinart
Monday, November 3, 2008; Page A21

Why has America turned on Sarah Palin? Obviously, her wobbly television interviews haven't helped. Nor have the drip, drip of scandals from Alaska, which have tarnished her reformist image. But Palin's problems run deeper, and they say something fundamental about the political age being born. Palin's brand is culture war, and in America today culture war no longer sells. The struggle that began in the 1960s -- which put questions of racial, sexual and religious identity at the forefront of American politics -- may be ending. Palin is the end of the line.
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      The Opening Obama Saw
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      A Test That's Sure to Come
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      Last of the Culture Warriors

This won't be the first time a culture war has come to a close. In the 1920s, battles over evolution, immigration, prohibition and the resurgent Ku Klux Klan dominated election after election. And those issues played into that era's version of the red-blue divide, pitting newly arrived, saloon-frequenting, big-city Catholics against old-stock, teetotaling, small-town Protestants. In 1924, the Democratic convention split so bitterly over prohibition and the Klan that it took more than 100 ballots to nominate a candidate for president.
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Then, in the 1930s, the culture war died. A big reason was the Depression, which put questions of economic survival front and center. In the 1920s boom economy, politicians were largely free to focus on identity politics. By Franklin Roosevelt's election in 1932, that was a luxury America's leaders could no longer afford.

The other thing that killed the '20s culture war was generational change. Over time, Catholics and other immigrants left their ghettos and began to assimilate. The cutoff of mass immigration in 1924 ushered in an era of cultural consolidation in which the differences among white Americans came to matter less and less. When Democrats nominated a Catholic, Al Smith, for president in 1928, he lost in a landslide. But by 1960, when they nominated John F. Kennedy, he grabbed a far larger share of the Protestant vote, and won.

Something similar is happening today. Our era's culture war also began in prosperity. It was in the late 1950s and early 1960s, the high point of America's postwar boom, that African Americans took to the streets in vast numbers to demand equal rights. And it was in the early 1960s, as a result of the vast increase in postwar college enrollment, that students began challenging the conformity of American life. In 1962, the Port Huron Statement spoke of a generation "bred in at least modest comfort." It was those middle-class baby boomers who sparked the movements for women's rights and gay rights and the rise in blue-state secularism, all of which helped touch off this era's culture war.

The relationship between prosperity and cultural conflict isn't exact, of course, but it is significant that during this era's culture war we've gone a quarter-century without a serious recession. Economic issues have mattered in presidential elections, of course, but not until today have we faced an economic crisis so grave that it made cultural questions seem downright trivial. In 2000, in the wake of an economic boom and a sex scandal that led to a president's impeachment, 22 percent of Americans told exit pollsters that "moral values" were their biggest concern, compared with only 19 percent who cited the economy.

Today, according to a recent Newsweek poll, the economy is up to 44 percent and "issues like abortion, guns and same-sex marriage" down to only 6 percent. It's no coincidence that Palin's popularity has plummeted as the financial crisis has taken center stage. From her championing of small-town America to her efforts to link Barack Obama to former domestic terrorist Bill Ayers, Palin is treading a path well-worn by Republicans in recent decades. She's depicting the campaign as a struggle between the culturally familiar and the culturally threatening, the culturally traditional and the culturally exotic. But Obama has dismissed those attacks as irrelevant, and the public, focused nervously on the economic collapse, has largely tuned them out.

Palin's attacks are also failing because of generational change. The long-running, internecine baby boomer cultural feud just isn't that relevant to Americans who came of age after the civil rights, gay rights and feminist revolutions. Even many younger evangelicals are broadening their agendas beyond abortion, stem cells, school prayer and gay marriage. And just as younger Protestants found JFK less threatening than their parents had found Al Smith, younger whites -- even in bright-red states -- don't view the prospect of a black president with great alarm.

The economic challenges of the coming era are complicated, fascinating and terrifying, while the cultural battles of the 1960s feel increasingly stale. If John McCain loses tomorrow, the GOP will probably choose someone like Mitt Romney or Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal to lead it back from the wilderness, someone who -- although socially conservative -- speaks fluently about the nation's economic plight and doesn't try to substitute identity for policy. Although she seems like a fresh face, Sarah Palin actually represents the end of an era. She may be the last culture warrior on a national ticket for a very long time.

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Re: Why Palin = Fail [Re: KingOftheThing]
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If Obama does win Sarah Palin has my full support for 2012.


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Re: Why Palin = Fail [Re: lonestar2004]
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lonestar2004 said:
If Obama does win Sarah Palin has my full support for 2012.



if the republicans ran palin against obama in 2012 i would laugh for days. it would be a fucking slaughter...

she would never make it through the primary process anyway though. the other republican candidates will eat her alive. plus believe me, the religious part of the party is going to get a boot in the ass on wednesday.

intellectual conservatives and libertarians are fucking fed up with the psycho religious babble. some of the religious tards arent even all that fiscally conservative. morons like huckabee won't gel with the party eventually.

let the jesus tards have a 3rd party and bring the republican party back to its core beliefs. little govt and a fiscally conservatives policy..the amount of $$$ ron paul raised proves that message does resonate.

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Re: Why Palin = Fail [Re: KingOftheThing]
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let the jesus tards have a 3rd party ...



Yeah, and they could get Obama to be the party's leader while they're at it.




Phred


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Re: Why Palin = Fail [Re: Phred]
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Edited by green_titan (04/02/09 02:15 AM)

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Re: Why Palin = Fail [Re: Green_T]
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Palin = Fail because:

1.  I'm truely frightened she's ignorant.  There may be excuses for her failure to name any supreme court decisions she disagrees with, as phred compiled for us.  I don't completely buy it, however; I think there is a substantial chance she is just ignorant rather than wanting to avoid a drawn out discussion.

2.  There may be excuses for her failure to name a paper she reads.  If so they are inexcusably poor reasons.  Provide ANY paper and explain what you don't or do like about it.  I can name several I read.  local (unnamed) papers, WSJ, NYT, IBD, et cet.  Screw off Palin if you can't name one.

3.  Her philosophy seems impossible to determine.  Her support of drug prohibition, or at least tacit acceptance despite enforcing the ak constitution in one publicized case, her unappologetic, unexplained support of the bridge to nowhere, is hard to understand.  What is she for?  What is she against?  She sure can't explain it and hasn't tried.

4.  Her inability to admit she made a mistake with regards to her foreign policy experience in being under Putin's flight path and other nonsense is amazing.



What exactly does she want, not want, care for?  When does life begin and why?  What would she do as president w/ regards to this and is it even an issue in a palin presidency?


Her record and words are impossible to colate into a meaningful portrait of what she is for or against.  I have no idea what her philosophy is.

There seems a very real and likely threat she is ignorant even though she does not appear stupid.  It seems I know more than her about every singal issue she's talked about in her interviews. How the fuck is that possible?


She scares me and it is insane that a man who has a real chance of dieing picked this woman as a running mate when she obviously has no idea wha tthe hell is going on in our world.  This may be the single worst calculated political move going a while back.  I still hope McCain wins (a first for me comparing democratic and republican presidents), but his choice is inexcusable.  The only worst move would have been to pick Biden with his freedom hating agenda that is cast in iron


All this is still probably better than Obama, but that doesn't change any of the above at all, and I refuse to make such a choice.  Luckily in the land of the free I don't have to and will be voting Bob Barr for liberty and a message much more clear than any of the above mentioned dweebs.

Palin=Fail.

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Re: Why Palin = Fail [Re: Green_T]
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Has any VP candidate on the losing side ever come back to have a national political career?

Losing is not an option in American politics.

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Re: Why Palin = Fail [Re: paulie_walnuts1]
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Besides, don't the republicans have some really smart and bright young guys coming up in the party?  Some guy from Louisiana and some guy from...Wisconsin, maybe?


A smart dude is what they need.  Why any registered Republican would still support Palin after this debacle is a mystery.

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Re: Why Palin = Fail [Re: paulie_walnuts1]
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you know there have to be smart, small business, secular, conservatives

and we know non-religious republicans CAN make it through the primary process

mccain is not religious, never was a big church goer...im sure he still doesnt go to church

if you remember, religious conservatives were fucking LIVID with the mccain pick at first. that focus on the family guy was threatening to run his own jesus candidate against mccain. the maverick just bowed to the jesus freaks and picked a stupid cunty jesus hoe named palin. mccain should have done the mavericky thing and told the religious right to go screw. picked his own conservative candidate with libertarian leanings.

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Re: Why Palin = Fail [Re: KingOftheThing]
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KingOftheThing said:
lonestar2004 said:
If Obama does win Sarah Palin has my full support for 2012.



if the republicans ran palin against obama in 2012 i would laugh for days. it would be a fucking slaughter...

she would never make it through the primary process anyway though. the other republican candidates will eat her alive. plus believe me, the religious part of the party is going to get a boot in the ass on wednesday.

intellectual conservatives and libertarians are fucking fed up with the psycho religious babble. some of the religious tards arent even all that fiscally conservative. morons like huckabee won't gel with the party eventually.

let the jesus tards have a 3rd party and bring the republican party back to its core beliefs. little govt and a fiscally conservatives policy..the amount of $$$ ron paul raised proves that message does resonate.



for once, i fucking agree with you...wtf is this world coming to!


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Re: Why Palin = Fail [Re: KingOftheThing]
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Quote:
and we know non-religious republicans CAN make it through the primary process



Apparently non-religious Democrats can't, though.

KOtT is totally cool with Jesus freaks as long as they're Leftie jesus freaks.




Phred


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Re: Why Palin = Fail [Re: johnm214]
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johnm214 said:
4.  Her inability to admit she made a mistake with regards to her foreign policy experience in being under Putin's flight path and other nonsense is amazing.






except Russia stepped up their flights near alaska, canada
and other allies of the US, I've posted this several times,
they've been close enough that fighters were sent ton
intercept and guide them back out of US airspace

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Re: Why Palin = Fail [Re: Prisoner#1]
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And what foreign policy experience did that give her?


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Re: Why Palin = Fail [Re: zouden]
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preparation for war on US soil

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Re: Why Palin = Fail [Re: Prisoner#1]
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What I mean is... was she even involved? If not, her claim is still pretty weak.


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Re: Why Palin = Fail [Re: zouden]
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how can she not be involved, she a part of the chain,
he has command of the air national guard for alaska
she's one of the first people notified of any threat
from the listening post in the aleutians

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The Air National Guard (ANG) , often referred to as the Air Guard, is the air force militia organized by each of the several states and territories of the United States. Established under Title 10 and Title 32 of the U.S. Code, the Air National Guard is part of the of state National Guard and is divided up into units stationed in each of the 50 states and U.S. territories and operates under their respective state governor or territorial government [1]. The Air National Guard may be called up for active duty by the state governors or territorial commanding generals to help respond to domestic emergencies and disasters, such as those caused by hurricanes, floods, and earthquakes [1].





edited to add

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaska_Air_National_Guard
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One recent development involving the Alaska Air National Guard has been interception of Russian flights that intrude into U.S. territory. According to the website for the 176th Wing of the Alaska Air National Guard, "The 176th Air Control Squadron maintained North American air sovereignty by detecting, monitoring and escorting 22 Russian bombers from within its area of operations." [1]



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Re: Why Palin = Fail [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Yes, but that doesn't mean she was actually involved in any particular incidents.


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You know... I'm not a blind man
                                                    but truth is the hardest thing to see

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Re: Why Palin = Fail [Re: zouden]
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excuses excuses, anything to say she didnt have any experience
with foreign policy or that she's stupid or just what ever,
fact of the matter is that the media has played her of as such
and you are just so eager to believe the media

the election is today, not like this will be breaking news,
those of us that know the structure, the chain and how it
operates... we'll make the right choices today and tomorrow

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Re: Why Palin = Fail [Re: Prisoner#1]
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I thought you weren't even voting Republican?


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You know... I'm not a blind man
                                                    but truth is the hardest thing to see

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Re: Why Palin = Fail [Re: zouden]
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I'm not, like I said, I'll make the right decision

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