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Human war is an ironic reflection of lifes struggle to exist.

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BrainChemistry said:

We may never be perfect, shouldn't we strive TO BE perfect?

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It's a noble sentiment, to be sure.

I say let everyone else strive while I reap the benefits of your hard work. 

RoosterCogburn said:

But life is competition.

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The Cypher said:

BrainChemistry said:

Once we finally all realize that we don't have to compete to survive, that cooperation and peace is better than rivalries and warfare, than we can finally accomplish all these things.

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You act as if once every person agrees that cooperation and peace is better than warfare, that there will be no war ever again.

This is false.  In the first place, everybody will agree with you that peace is preferable to warfare.  But we still have wars.  Sometimes war is necessary, to prevent starvation due to lack of resources; sometimes it's necessary to protect one's self against other marauding tribes.  It's not pretty, but it's the way of life.  Just look at Nature sometime.  It's kill or be killed.

Secondly, suppose everyone did agree that peace and cooperation was better.  Then we no longer need armies; we no longer need a police force; etc etc.  Then it all it takes is for one bad egg to do no work, start stealing from others, and basically scavenge off the good work and efforts of others.

There is no single, fixed-point evolutionary optimization to the problem of good vs evil.  A society wholly composed of scavengers will be torn apart by its own chaos.  A society wholly composed to good, cooperative people like those you so idealistically describe will rapidly degenerate back into normalcy once a scavenger ratio appears.

In reality, good needs evil (and evil needs good) to survive.  There is no such thing as a perfect, war-free, competition-less world no matter how hard you try to believe it.

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makaveli8x8 said:

i didn't read everything but, my take on it is that, as we all know many years ago the gov, maybe it was nasa? hired a bunch of hackers.  anyways these pictures in fields remind me very much of back in the old days when people did pictures with letters n crap in chat rooms.

so what im guessin is that these hackers hacked into some high tech secret computers and found the lazors we have in space, and used them to draw in fields.  infact, that video that supposedly shows the feilds being made....couldn't them lights be the end of the lazors?  just like a lazor pointer?  the pieces just seem to fit together so easily....so what am i missing here?

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truekimbo2 said:

actually i would say life is evolving towards a point of low conflict.  i feel like we've had this conversation before, but i'd say all signs point towards immortal cyborg hive mind AI's running the show pretty soon.    not within our lifetime, but less than 200 years from now i can't imagine a different conclusion, unless science finally invents magic.

principle benifit of hivemind, co-operation instead of competition

i'd say a perfect,  war-free, competition-less world is inevitable.

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truekimbo2 said:

makaveli8x8 said:

i didn't read everything but, my take on it is that, as we all know many years ago the gov, maybe it was nasa? hired a bunch of hackers.  anyways these pictures in fields remind me very much of back in the old days when people did pictures with letters n crap in chat rooms.

so what im guessin is that these hackers hacked into some high tech secret computers and found the lazors we have in space, and used them to draw in fields.  infact, that video that supposedly shows the feilds being made....couldn't them lights be the end of the lazors?  just like a lazor pointer?  the pieces just seem to fit together so easily....so what am i missing here?

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makavelli, i have never heard that idea before, but its a very good one.
i like it alot.

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