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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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On DMT... have you seen the machine elves?
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So when you've played around with DMT, have you seen the proverbial machine elf that is supposed to capture the essence of the dimethyltryptamine experience?  And if so, did you only experience them after you read other accounts of machine elves (such as McKenna or trip reports from Erowid), or was your experience self-generated and spontaneous?
Have you seen machine elves on DMT?
You may choose only one
Had you heard/read about machine elves before your experience?
You may choose only one


Votes accepted from 09/15/08 10:17 AM until the end of time
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Re: On DMT... have you seen the machine elves? [Re: deCypher] * 1
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Would be better if all the people, such as myself, who haven't taken dmt didn't have to throw off the poll by answering no.

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Re: On DMT... have you seen the machine elves? [Re: krypto2000]
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:werd:

Polls need STAL for that reason.  Also, I'm not sure what to make of the phrase "similar entities"... they were entities, but they weren't elf-like, and I still don't understand what McKenna meant by the "machine" part of "machine elves".  So I've seen entities, but I wouldn't call them similar necessarily

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Re: On DMT... have you seen the machine elves? [Re: Entropymancer]
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Recrafted poll
Have you seen entities after smoking DMT?
You may choose only one
Had you read about entities in the DMT experience prior to experiencing them
You may choose only one
Your thoughts about Terence McKenna?
You may choose only one


Votes accepted from 09/15/08 12:35 PM until the end of time

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Re: On DMT... have you seen the machine elves? [Re: Entropymancer]
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Sweet, yeah, I realized I had forgotten the STAL option after I posted my poll--and you can't edit the poll once you create one.  :mad2:


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Re: On DMT... have you seen the machine elves? [Re: deCypher]
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I thought machine elves was just a name that he gave for entities that are machine like in nature & transform endlessly, but not actually looking like elves (little curly boots & pointy hats)

It makes me want to not try DMT, along with the fact that terrence died of an excrutiating brain tumour porbably caused by the amount of varying psychedelics he consumed.


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Re: On DMT... have you seen the machine elves? [Re: Chronic7]
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Chronic777 said:
It makes me want to not try DMT, along with the fact that terrence died of an excrutiating brain tumour porbably caused by the amount of varying psychedelics he consumed.



Okay quiz time!  What fundamental logical fallacy did Chronic777 make in the above post?


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Re: On DMT... have you seen the machine elves? [Re: g00ru]
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Cum hoc (correlation doesn't imply causation) coupled with an extreme case of Biased Sample (one is hardly an adequate sample size)

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Re: On DMT... have you seen the machine elves? [Re: g00ru]
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HE MISPELLED PROBABLY!! i win!


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Re: On DMT... have you seen the machine elves? [Re: Entropymancer]
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Besides, if we're going by anecdotal evidence, Alexander Shulgin shows it's definitely possible to live to 83 and still be healthy while doing massive amounts of diverse research chems.


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Re: On DMT... have you seen the machine elves? [Re: g00ru]
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guruu said:
Chronic777 said:
It makes me want to not try DMT, along with the fact that terrence died of an excrutiating brain tumour porbably caused by the amount of varying psychedelics he consumed.



Okay quiz time!  What fundamental logical fallacy did Chronic777 make in the above post?



Ignoring A Common Cause?

edit: ah, 3 more post appeared while I was looking up the answer lol, and I think I chose the wrong one :undecided:

Edited by krypto2000 (09/15/08 01:50 PM)

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Re: On DMT... have you seen the machine elves? [Re: Chronic7]
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The Chronic said:
I thought machine elves was just a name that he gave for entities that are machine like in nature & transform endlessly, but not actually looking like elves (little curly boots & pointy hats)

It makes me want to not try DMT, along with the fact that terrence died of an excrutiating brain tumour porbably caused by the amount of varying psychedelics he consumed.



this is flawed thinking...

If psychedelics contribute at all the brain tumors( which I am reluctant to agree with, being a medical student and never having encounter any such information in my study of neurology), I can tell you that you aught to be more worried about other psychotropics than DMT, being that is naturally occurs in your brain and is released during REM sleep every night.


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Re: On DMT... have you seen the machine elves? [Re: deCypher]
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Fucking spoilers ^^

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Re: On DMT... have you seen the machine elves? [Re: sof4r0ckeRs1984]
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I Think there is a direct correlation between:
The amount of external stimuli being experienced during breakthrough, to the amount of Elfs you see/feel.

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Re: On DMT... have you seen the machine elves? [Re: JilPil]
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:tongue2::thumbup:

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Re: On DMT... have you seen the machine elves? [Re: sof4r0ckeRs1984]
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ahmcarri you might as well post in every dmt thread on the site now and establish your empire, after digging this one up :lol:


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Re: On DMT... have you seen the machine elves? [Re: sof4r0ckeRs1984]
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He have probably consumed shit that dosent even exist, though moderation is key for everything

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Re: On DMT... have you seen the machine elves? [Re: JilPil]
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I'm usually greeted by something, when I break threw. It is like I wake up on the ground and all these things crowded over me, I get the feeling of being welcomed, I cant really make out any faces but they all have these conical hat type shapes at the top, like the hat rayden wears from mortal combat;



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Re: On DMT... have you seen the machine elves? [Re: snoot]
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while on the subject...
if anyone can suggest a better method than smoking this stuff , please do.
BECAUSE IT IS BRUTAL


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"After silence, that which comes nearest to expressing the inexpressible is music." -Aldous Huxley

"Humanity is an ocean; if a few drops of the ocean are dirty, the ocean does not become dirty."- Mahatma Gandhi

“I have found the paradox, that if you love until it hurts, there can be no more hurt, only more love.”― Mother Teresa

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Re: On DMT... have you seen the machine elves? [Re: ontheothersideJ]
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ontheothersideJ said:
while on the subject...
if anyone can suggest a better method than smoking this stuff , please do.
BECAUSE IT IS BRUTAL



recrystallize. it shouldnt be brutal. infact, when its done properly, rarely do I even have the time to think, OMG its brutal!


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