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Mosis
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Smoked DMT vs. Ayahuasca Tea
#5794202 - 06/26/06 10:17 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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It rhymes. 
Um, pardon my ignorance or lack of searching ability, but I can't find too many sources comparing the two experiences. Yes, I have read that ayahuasca tea lasts considerably longer, but I haven't seen much comparing the intensity of the two trips.
Is an ayahuasca trip just a smoked DMT trip 12 times as long, or is the intensity significantly reduced? For a first time DMT-tripper, would you recommend smoking or ayahuasca first?
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Re: Smoked DMT vs. Ayahuasca Tea [Re: Mosis]
#5794213 - 06/26/06 10:19 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I haven't done either one, but from what I hear, smoked DMT is way more intense and some people recommend smoking it before taking ayahuasca so you can tell what DMT is like by itself (i.e. without the MAOI which has effects by itself)
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CptnGarden
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Re: Smoked DMT vs. Ayahuasca Tea [Re: DrGeek]
#5794222 - 06/26/06 10:23 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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ClammyJoe
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Re: Smoked DMT vs. Ayahuasca Tea [Re: CptnGarden]
#5794231 - 06/26/06 10:27 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Frankly, I'm scared of both of them, I'm too young to know the secrets of the universe.
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Re: Smoked DMT vs. Ayahuasca Tea [Re: ClammyJoe]
#5794326 - 06/26/06 10:57 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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from what I understand (having only experience withs moked DMT), they are both very intense in different ways. aya come on much slower but the visions can be just as intense as smoked DMT. ayahuasca can be a very difficult trip, and almost always involves purging, alot of vomiting and/or shitting.
a proper dose of smoked DMT is intense, it can be a completely immersive psychedelic trip. but its genreally very benign. not very introspective, and its very hard to have a bad trip. its very natural and familiar feeling. other than the harsh smoke, physical side effects are very rare. puking is possible, but very very unlikely.
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NeuroticTrip
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JeffersonDarcy said: a proper dose of smoked DMT is intense, it can be a completely immersive psychedelic trip. but its genreally very benign. not very introspective, and its very hard to have a bad trip. its very natural and familiar feeling. other than the harsh smoke, physical side effects are very rare. puking is possible, but very very unlikely.
I know this is an older thread, but I find it interesting that Jefferson says it's not a very introspective trip. Do you (or anyone else that sees this thread) think that ayahuasca tea can cause more personal life epiphanies, and teach you more? Is smoked DMT not useful in that right?
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JeffersonDarcy said: from what I understand (having only experience withs moked DMT), they are both very intense in different ways. aya come on much slower but the visions can be just as intense as smoked DMT. ayahuasca can be a very difficult trip, and almost always involves purging, alot of vomiting and/or shitting.
a proper dose of smoked DMT is intense, it can be a completely immersive psychedelic trip. but its genreally very benign. not very introspective, and its very hard to have a bad trip. its very natural and familiar feeling. other than the harsh smoke, physical side effects are very rare. puking is possible, but very very unlikely.
i have never done DMT, in either fashion, but from what i read, there isn't anything as introspective as DMT...? how can you say it isn't very introspective, isn't it like the psychadelic of all psychadelics?
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EllisDSox
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Re: Smoked DMT vs. Ayahuasca Tea [Re: soulcircus]
#6819463 - 04/22/07 03:07 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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I've only done ayahuasca, unfortunately. The peak of a high dosage ayahuasca trip can result in total sensory disconnection from reality, meetings with the machine elves and so on. At lower doses the visuals are more comparable to acid, but with a kind of alien feeling (it feels like being in a new and different place rather than just a different state of mind). I'm not sure how different smoked DMT is, though. Will do soon.
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Re: Smoked DMT vs. Ayahuasca Tea [Re: EllisDSox]
#6819834 - 04/22/07 04:56 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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ayahuasca is best
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Re: Smoked DMT vs. Ayahuasca Tea [Re: thedudenj]
#6819953 - 04/22/07 05:25 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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I personally find ayahuasca to be far more mind-blowing for a variety of reasons.
Also, there are so many ways to make ayahuasca.
Your average dose of smoked DMT is more intense than most ayahuasca preparations, but it paradoxically is just a taste of what can be done in the ayahuasca world.
Basically they have different purposes.
I would start with smoked dmt. It only lasts so long, and to dose over your mark as a beginner is not as detramental to your mental health when compared to an ayahuasca accident.
Ayahuasca just covers more ground, and is more organized/multifaceted than a full blown smoked dmt trip.
With all that having been said about the differences, you still cant really compare anything to ayahuasca besides smoked dmt, or mushrooms mixed with maois.
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Re: Smoked DMT vs. Ayahuasca Tea [Re: yageman]
#6820278 - 04/22/07 06:40 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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yeah with Ayahuasca I had closed eye visuals. like a laser light show in my head or something and a trippy feeling like shrooms but nothing that unlocks reality like Salvia would. Salvia can be just mindblowing while Ayahuasca just seemed fun. Even before my Aya trip was over i put in a Wierd Al video and was laughing at it. Had a smile on my face the whole trip though and I was telling my gf what I was seeing with my eyes closed. with Salvia it can be hard forming words BTW sorry I cant compare Aya to DMT because I havent tried DMT yet but I imagine it wouldn't be near as life changing as Salvia.
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Re: Smoked DMT vs. Ayahuasca Tea [Re: cpw1971]
#6820704 - 04/22/07 08:30 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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plus or more importantly it helps cleanse the soul
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Re: Smoked DMT vs. Ayahuasca Tea [Re: cpw1971]
#6821882 - 04/23/07 04:26 AM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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cpw1971 said: yeah with Ayahuasca I had closed eye visuals. like a laser light show in my head or something and a trippy feeling like shrooms but nothing that unlocks reality like Salvia would. Salvia can be just mindblowing while Ayahuasca just seemed fun. Even before my Aya trip was over i put in a Wierd Al video and was laughing at it. Had a smile on my face the whole trip though and I was telling my gf what I was seeing with my eyes closed. with Salvia it can be hard forming words BTW sorry I cant compare Aya to DMT because I havent tried DMT yet but I imagine it wouldn't be near as life changing as Salvia.
That seems like more of a dosage issue.What you described doesnt seem like what i would feel from 10g or so of MHRB. Ayahuasca can become more world shattering than salvia at a higher dose, but then again i would have to try higher doses of salvia as well.
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cpw1971
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Re: Smoked DMT vs. Ayahuasca Tea [Re: Moo456]
#6822036 - 04/23/07 06:35 AM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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with Salvia I find myself in another place and in another body and start to forget about this reality here altogether. with Aya I had great visuals like out of the 60's or something but I was always able to just open my eyes if I wanted to but they are both great though thats for sure
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Re: Smoked DMT vs. Ayahuasca Tea [Re: cpw1971]
#6822066 - 04/23/07 06:55 AM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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Um... do you think DMT is the active ingredient in Salvia?

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cpw1971
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Re: Smoked DMT vs. Ayahuasca Tea [Re: coAsTal]
#6822076 - 04/23/07 06:59 AM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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NO... read my other post
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Re: Smoked DMT vs. Ayahuasca Tea [Re: coAsTal]
#6822082 - 04/23/07 07:02 AM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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DMT is more of a "flash" experience. It is extremely intense, but over quickly. Ayahuasca can be almost as intense, but at normal dosages, it is usually much less intense. Smoked DMT makes you lose your mind for 3-5 minutes, while Ayahuasca is like a very intense mushroom trip (well, not LIKE it, but there is some comparison).
Terrence McKenna said that smoked DMT was great, but that he preferred Ayahuasca as it gave you more time to explore the sensations and dimensions of the experience. I think I remember him saying that smoking DMT was like taking a 6 hour Ayahuasca trip and compressing it to 5 minutes.
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Re: Smoked DMT vs. Ayahuasca Tea [Re: cpw1971]
#6822226 - 04/23/07 08:28 AM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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cpw1971 said: yeah with Ayahuasca I had closed eye visuals. like a laser light show in my head or something and a trippy feeling like shrooms but nothing that unlocks reality like Salvia would. Salvia can be just mindblowing while Ayahuasca just seemed fun. Even before my Aya trip was over i put in a Wierd Al video and was laughing at it. Had a smile on my face the whole trip though and I was telling my gf what I was seeing with my eyes closed. with Salvia it can be hard forming words BTW sorry I cant compare Aya to DMT because I havent tried DMT yet but I imagine it wouldn't be near as life changing as Salvia.
I see you relating a Salvia experience to DMT--despite the fact that they are completely, fundamentally different. Now what?
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Re: Smoked DMT vs. Ayahuasca Tea [Re: yageman]
#6822251 - 04/23/07 08:42 AM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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yageman said:
With all that having been said about the differences, you still cant really compare anything to ayahuasca besides smoked dmt, or mushrooms mixed with maois.
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