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OfflineQuitDrinking
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Found white shrooms dried up crispy in horse dung
    #879182 - 09/12/02 12:28 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Spores were brownish purple (at least gills and crap that would shake out were) Could they be anything dangerous? Is there a chance of innoculating a compost pile with crispy old spores or should I hang it up.
I started to eat one but found maggots in another and lost my appetite
Oh yeah , I'm in South Carolina.
By the By, they look a lot like the copelandia pics on the site here. biggest was about 2 inches across, 6" tall.


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Re: Found white shrooms dried up crispy in horse [Re: QuitDrinking]
    #879198 - 09/12/02 12:42 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Hey, Im in SC too! Im not sure I would eat that. I get kind of nervous with wild white mushrooms. could be a species of amantia. If you find anything in SC it would probably be cubenis. post a pic. You havnt eaten any of them have you?


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Re: Found white shrooms dried up crispy in horse [Re: bluesky]
    #879203 - 09/12/02 12:44 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Have no Digi-cam the look like cope landia , but I saw no blueing


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Re: Found white shrooms dried up crispy in horse [Re: QuitDrinking]
    #879206 - 09/12/02 12:53 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

ooooooooo, not good. If I remember correctly copes DO bruise blue. If you are even a little unsure about it, dont eat it. how big is it?


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Re: Found white shrooms dried up crispy in horse dung [Re: QuitDrinking]
    #879207 - 09/12/02 12:54 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

NEVER ingest an unidentified mushroom. Think, you're asking if they are dangerous but you started eating one, does it sound like anything intelligent to do ?

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Re: Found white shrooms dried up crispy in horse [Re: MAIA]
    #879214 - 09/12/02 12:58 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

If they are all dried up and rotten, you wouldnt want to eat them anyway. :tongue: 


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Re: Found white shrooms dried up crispy in horse dung [Re: QuitDrinking]
    #879215 - 09/12/02 12:59 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

O.K. I won't eat them . I'll go back there later and see if i can find any in good enough condition to identify. I guess there is a copelandia description on this site.


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Re: Found white shrooms dried up crispy in horse [Re: QuitDrinking]
    #879217 - 09/12/02 01:01 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Good thinkin :laugh: 


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Re: Found white shrooms dried up crispy in horse [Re: bluesky]
    #879504 - 09/12/02 03:35 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Mushroom maggots don't infest poisonous mushrooms. So not a poisonous amanita.


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Re: Found white shrooms dried up crispy in horse [Re: drow]
    #879700 - 09/12/02 05:35 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

>Mushroom maggots don't infest poisonous mushrooms. So not a poisonous amanita.

Wow, this is the biggest piece of missinformation i read up to this day!

Off course poisonous mushrooms can and do often contain maggots ! ! This is no criteria if a mushroom is poisonous or not ! ! !


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Re: Found white shrooms dried up crispy in horse [Re: Anno]
    #879706 - 09/12/02 05:37 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

im glad you said that i was gonna say that but i wasnt sure if i was right


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Re: Found white shrooms dried up crispy in horse [Re: drow]
    #879982 - 09/12/02 07:54 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

drow man, you're crazier than a shit house rat :wink:
Maggots don't have the same livers as we do, for all we know muscarine doesnt affect them. 


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Re: Found white shrooms dried up crispy in horse [Re: Gumby]
    #880067 - 09/12/02 09:08 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

actually we DO know that muscarine effects maggots, the same way it effects flies.
muscarine, from lat MUS as in fly.
aka FLY AGARIC
it kills them
however the harmful amanotoxins in deadly amanitas and galerenas are different and some maggots are immune and eat them anyway.
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Re: Found white shrooms dried up crispy in horse dung [Re: QuitDrinking]
    #880590 - 09/12/02 02:34 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Wow, I can just feel the love. Hostile crowd you guys are.
Only the caps of the fly agaric contains what we want, the stems do not. That is why you will find mushroom maggots in the stems, but NEVER in the caps. I have done more than my share of research on this over the years guys. So keep all your insults to yourselves.


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Re: Found white shrooms dried up crispy in horse dung [Re: drow]
    #880594 - 09/12/02 02:35 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

PS. Fly agaric DOES NOT CONTAIN ANY MUSCARINE. If it did, it would be a deadly mushroom.


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Re: Found white shrooms dried up crispy in horse dung [Re: drow]
    #880637 - 09/12/02 03:07 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

umm, as a matter of fact aminita muscaria DOES contain muscarine, and it DOES exist in the stipe.
it is equally previlant in the gills and cap flesh as with the stipe.
it is however considered strongest in the skin.
fly agaric=aminita muscaria
muscaria = muscarine
simple enough logic.
also the truth. and i have no idea what the heck you are talking about or why you are spreading dangerous misinformation whoever you are drow
it also contains muscimole and ibotenic acid which is more what youre after.
muscarine was first discovered in aminita muscaria.
far stronger and deadlier tho in inocybes.
btw, if you consume inocybes, you can combat the exteme toxic effects of the muscarine by consuming low doses of datura or other nightshades.
muscarine poisoning isnt usually fatal tho it can be, but rapidly abates after consumption of atropine. (hence the nightshades)
A. Muscaria or fly agaric does in fact contain muscarine.
not in deadly quantities like as in inocybes.
that much is very very very obvious.yeesh


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Re: Found white shrooms dried up crispy in horse dung [Re: Mitchnast]
    #880655 - 09/12/02 03:20 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

>fly agaric=aminita muscaria
>muscaria = muscarine
>simple enough logic.

The simplest logic is not allways right.

First, it?s Amanita muscaria.
It contains mainly ibotenic acid, muscazon and muscimol, but NO MUSCARINE.
Muscarine is contained in "Inocybe species, Clitocybe dealbata, and several relatives, Omphalatus species, and certain red-pored Boletus."( http://www.namyco.org/poison/muscarin.htm ).

More about mushroom poisons and poisoning:
http://www.namyco.org/poison/poison.htm

As for Amanita muscaria and other poisonous mushrooms not containing maggots, in Austria they do, I?ve seen them with my own eyes.
And I very strongly asume it?s not only a country spezific phenomenon.


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Re: Found white shrooms dried up crispy in horse dung [Re: Anno]
    #880662 - 09/12/02 03:25 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

amanita muscaria DOES contain muscarine
and yes, so do inocybes, in about 100X the amount.
muscarine was first discovered in amanita muscaria.
this is well documented.
ill fine some proof, hang on


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Re: Found white shrooms dried up crispy in horse dung [Re: Mitchnast]
    #880677 - 09/12/02 03:36 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

http://www.xrefer.com/entry/410442
^^ short and sweet
http://www.uoguelph.ca/~gbarron/MISCELLANEOUS/dec00.htm
^^ although low in muscarine, it IS present.
http://www.erowid.org/plants/amanitas/amanitas_info6.shtml
^^".002% - .003% by dry weight"
http://www.ibiblio.org/herbmed/eclectic/felter/amanita-musc.html
^^ slightly overplays the muscarine content
http://www.emedicine.com/ped/topic2863.htm
^^ "
Plants containing muscarine, such as A muscaria, Clitocybe cerrusata, Clitocybe dealbata, Clitocybe nuulosa, Inocybe fastigiata, Inocybe geophylla, Inocybe rimosus, and Omphalotus illudens (jack-o’-lantern plant)"

and so on


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Re: Found white shrooms dried up crispy in horse dung [Re: Mitchnast]
    #880769 - 09/12/02 04:38 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Muscaria = muscimol, not muscarine
even in small quantities muscarine is deadly


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