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Jim Morrison, genius or a madman?
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by Louis McCormick

Jim Morrison was neither a genius nor a madman; He was perfectly sane and perfectly mediocre, just like the rest of us. He was also an icon, which means he was worshiped despite his limitations.

We remember Jim Morrison not because of his music or his poetry, but because he was the perfect cartoon rock star at a seminal moment in the history of rock music. Jim Morrison quite simply had the image to beguile his generation: The good looks (briefly), the surly sneer, the leather pants and the faux-poetic turn of phrase. The girls wanted him (and so, probably, did some of the boys) and the effortlessly shallow Music-Press and Sixties movers and shakers were entranced by the poet, the Lizard King, the tragi-comic sacrificer of self.

But Jim Morrison was a phony; HE knew it and soon WE knew it too. When the outer layer of the Morrison image was peeled away nothing lay underneath. Yet he was lucky, for a while. In the Sixties all that was required to be worshiped as a poet and visionary was a persecution complex and an ability to feed enough fatuous profundity into the teenage mind to ensure some worship in return. The girls lapped it up and Morrison quickly convinced himself he was Percy Shelley in leather. He wasn't, of course; He was a middle-class boy who'd had a comfortable, middle-class upbringing, a boy with no real axe to grind other than the old stock favorite: My parents screwed me up. When Morrison grew bored with his 'teen-idol with attitude' routine he didn't do what any self-respecting poet and visionary would do: Retire to a (comfortable) wilderness in order to commit his genius to print. No, he drank himself into oblivion and got fat. He knew all along he had nothing to give and so he resorted to playing the martyr to disguise his inadequacies. Jim Morrison's ultimate gesture of counter-culture defiance was to expose himself in public. His sole gesture towards Art was to die in a bath. It was a sad demise but hardly a radical one.

To be fair to The Doors, their first two albums were good without being remarkable. Their sound was pleasant, though it was little different from the typical Pop orientated Garage-Psychedelia of the period. 'Light my Fire' was certainly a classic pop song but 'The End' could have been written by any self-obsessed teen contemplating suicide but deciding to go shopping with her pals instead. Morrison's allusion to Bertolt Brecht in the first album is no more than an attempt to impress, much in the same way that young girls habitually drop the name of Jean-Paul Sartre despite (wisely) never having read a word he wrote. Jim Morrison never could be bothered to find his own voice, and that betrays a stunning lack of imagination for someone who considered himself a poet and who had an audience ready and willing to listen to him.

When we think now of Jim Morrison we cannot help but see a man haunted by his own mediocrity. He wanted to be significant but he was too lazy and self-pitying to make anything of himself. For a while he bathed in adulation but then he sank into himself; He became a man content to wallow in bullshit. Perhaps he secretly held the whole business of fame and adulation in contempt; He wouldn't have been the first. Whatever his problem or his torment he was predictable in his final movements. Where do artists go to die? Paris of course. And where do artists who go to Paris to die get buried? Pere Lachaise Cemetery of course... the last resting place of Delacroix, Balzac, Chopin, Moliere, Oscar Wilde and... and who? Jim Morrison, that's who. No doubt the Lizard King was having the last laugh.


My question would be why do we worship someone simply for becoming famous. Do we worship the world's best electrician? No, because we never heard of him and are not moved emotionally by his precise and very necessary work. But a musician, in the right place and time is somehow extra special.

Put someone's name in the press and repeat if often enough, and he or she acquires demi-god status.

If they die young enough: Dean, Monroe, Kennedy, Morrison, Joplin, Elvis, Colbain, etc., then they are elevated to near-mythical status. The younger they go, the more powerful is their legend. It could be put in a mathematical formula.


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Re: Jim Morrison, genius or a madman? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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this is one I have been working on trying to figure out for a while as well.
I spend lots of time with the range of musicians from nobodies to national acts... and at best they are normal people, at worst they have been told they are amazing so much that it gets to their head and they think that they are somehow special and that their work is vital to the greater good of the world.

I see variations of PND all the time. Just like the pregnant woman, these people were showered with glory and fame while they rode the charts with their one hit song, money was streaming in... then the reality of it sets in when nobody knows who you are, but they know every word to the song that you have become a slave to... kind of like the realization that this kid/song is going to be my life for the next 18 years.
then you find your self road worn and bitter, playing that shitty song to nostalgic ticket holders who tell you how much they love that song... even though you didnt write it.

One other act here has a last name that everybody knows, so they come in with preconceived notions about how "amazingly awesome" it is going to be.
regardless that they play the same songs in the same order every nights for the last 15 years.... regardless that he plays a 90 dollar squire guitar and his tone sounds like a ferret orgy.... regardless that it isnt a band on stage, but 6 people serving noodle salad. regardless that it is 120 decibels of 4k destroying your ears by the second.
the fans still think it is the greatest experience ever.
why? because they thought it was going to be a great show, and who is going to let reality get in the way of fantasy?

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Re: Jim Morrison, genius or a madman? [Re: SneezingPenis]
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why? because they thought it was going to be a great show, and who is going to let reality get in the way of fantasy?



*nods in agreement then goes to slit wrists*

Living in Vegas, we get retreads from 10, 20, 30 and even 40 years ago. I have seen a few, but generally prefer to remember them as they were in their prime and in the time when the songs had more impact.

30-something years ago, Jimmy Buffet hit it big with 'Margueritaville', a very catchy ditty. Then he faded away. Some 16 years ago, I saw him playing a small stage at a county fair for free. He basically became a nobody. Then nostalgia hit and he now plays for big coin on The Strip and co-stars with top country singers.

Marketing, publicity, timing & legend - same talent.


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Re: Jim Morrison, genius or a madman? [Re: LunarEclipse]
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He was a poet and an artist with an alcohol and drug problem who influenced the world.



Influence can be positive or negative. Seems he was unable to positively influence himself, true or false?

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Your mark on the world will be minimal at best.



Nice emotional response based upon nothing at all.

My name will not be noted in the annals of history, but I guarantee you use several inventions that I participated in developing.


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Re: Jim Morrison, genius or a madman? [Re: LunarEclipse]
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Is having one's name be known important to you now? Or having it remembered after you are gone?

I would wager that most here could not name the main inventor of television without doing a Google search.


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Re: Jim Morrison, genius or a madman? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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Philo T. Farnsworth.

No Google.

:smile:


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Re: Jim Morrison, genius or a madman? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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I figured people would miss Orgones point on this.....

people never look at the interaction between themselves and art objectively.

imagine that you are extremely thirsty in the desert... anyone that comes along with something to satiate you is a saviour... somehow special.
as the angst riddled youth we all were, we found refuge in these throwbacks and foud their ambiguosly vague lyrics perfect representations of how we felt and filled our heads with revelations and cognitions about life.
but I think it is merely a case of "when the student is ready, the teacher will appear".

sure, the doors definitely had something, but had you been born in India, you would be saying the same thing about Bollywood icons.
you were at a threshold, waiting to be amazed, and with such an unexperienced grasp on life whatever came along was going to be a catalyst for introspection and extroversion, IOW, life changing.
so you credit it to the artists you surroudned yourself with at the time and place them on a pedestal.

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Re: Jim Morrison, genius or a madman? [Re: SneezingPenis]
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Point-missing is a regular hobby here. :laugh:

At 13, I was a shy teenager going to my first ever boy/girl party. I was head over heels in 'love' with the host, Charlene; a busty beyond-her-years sweetie.

Her folks were out of town. Their upper middle-class house was very elegant and they had the latest stereo equipment. Linda had a DJ friend and had gotten the latest Doors album before it ever received air play.

As the party was getting started she put on the album, cranked up the volume and danced with me as Jim demanded, "Come on, come on, come on, now touch me, babe! Can't you see that I am not afraid?" To say I was overwhelmed as music, perfume and hormones flooded my senses is not sufficient description.

A few months later, the experience was repeated with a different lady and song at the Freshman Dance as we close danced for an eternity to 'Light My Fire'.

I know all about cultural influences.


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Re: Jim Morrison, genius or a madman? [Re: Rose]
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Cervantes said:
Philo T. Farnsworth.

No Google.

:smile:



Can you also ride a bike with no hands?

Who is the bigger cultural influence, Farnsworth or Morrison?


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Re: Jim Morrison, genius or a madman? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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I am biased... I love them both but I am related to Farnsworth... so my nod goes to him... not Jim.


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Re: Jim Morrison, genius or a madman? [Re: Rose]
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and Rick astley almost had as much impact as Nikola Tesla. :rolleyes:

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Re: Jim Morrison, genius or a madman? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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OrgoneConclusion said:
My name will not be noted in the annals of history, but I guarantee you use several inventions that I participated in developing.



I'm guessing iPod. yay? nay?

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Re: Jim Morrison, genius or a madman? [Re: NiamhNyx]
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More like the cotton gin or the printing press.


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Re: Jim Morrison, genius or a madman? [Re: Rose]
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"My question would be why do we worship someone simply for becoming famous. Do we worship the world's best electrician? No, because we never heard of him and are not moved emotionally by his precise and very necessary work. But a musician, in the right place and time is somehow extra special."



Musicians are nothing more than a modern day golden calf, I'd say its fairly likely that a part of our brains impels us to worship/idolize. Its just what we do.:shrug:


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Re: Jim Morrison, genius or a madman? [Re: blewmeanie]
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So then what's the real deal

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Re: Jim Morrison, genius or a madman? [Re: daytripper23]
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I always thought I would like The Doors since I like "Light My Fire" and "Riders on the Storm" but then when I listened to their albums I found most of their other stuff pretty forgettable.

"The End" is okay, yes today we'd say it's pretty emo but this was before emo so I'll give Jim that one.
"People Are Strange": fairly ordinary
"Hello, I Love You": you've got to be kidding.

The Doors are definitely overrated. I agree with the blog post.
:shitstorm:


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Re: Jim Morrison, genius or a madman? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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If Morrison's IQ really was 147, then he falls within the 'genius' domain by two points. If he actually had an appetite to consume books like Frazer's The Golden Bough, and Szandor Ferenzi's psychoanalytical works as his biography (No One Here Gets Out Alive) says, then he may well have been a genius. There are grades of genius with IQs going to 200 (I once saw Goethe's IQ as estimated at 200), just as there are degrees of mental retardation.

This article is harshly opinionated in my opinion, and really does little to pin down the actual motivations behind Jim Morrison's behavior. That he was self-destructive is obvious. I wrote an article ('Raptures of the Deep: A Metaphor for Two Types of Mysticism') on my blog and described one form using Morrison as an example. Like Jerry Garcia and others, he began a journey to greater consciousness, but did a 180 degree turn-about and headed into the unconscious and to death with depressant drugs (which, obviously, increase states of depression). I suspect that JM had a higher and deeper dimension than the superficial psychosocial motivations named in the article, but threw it all away through depression and despair, and possibly the fear of growing old (which is typical of the Puer Aeternus personality http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puer_Aeternus ).


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γνῶθι σαὐτόν - Gnothi Seauton - Know Thyself

Edited by MarkostheGnostic (06/30/08 04:19 PM)

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Re: Jim Morrison, genius or a madman? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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Who the fuck is  Louis McCormick and how is he an authority on Jim Morrisons inner life?

Please supply data.

Or is he what is commonly known as a critic. Someone who has failed in the thing they most want to do and compensate by pretending to know something special about others who are succeeding at it.

Just another opinion.

Jim IMO had talents and faults like any other person. We each get to judge him and his music and message for ourselves.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

Edited by Icelander (06/30/08 11:09 AM)

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