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Cannabis upgraded to class B drug [UK]
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The UK government has reclassified cannabis from a class C to class B drug, overriding the advice of the Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs (ACMD). Home Secretary Jacqui Smith justified the move by citing the strength of "skunk" strains of cannabis, which now make up 81% of the drug on the streets, up from 30% in 2002. The new classification will introduce escalating penalties, including arrest for first-time offenders, and tougher enforcement against supply and possession. The ACMD, however, recommended that cannabis remain a class C drug, citing limited evidence linking potency to mental health issues. The decision has sparked criticism from opposition politicians and drug law reform campaigners, who argue that the classification system is outdated and ineffective in communicating the risks of drug use.

Cannabis upgraded to class B drug
May 7, 2008 - guardian.co.uk

The government today defied the advice of drug experts and upgraded cannabis from a class C to class B.

The home secretary, Jacqui Smith, announced a new system of escalating penalties for adults caught in possession of small amounts of the drug from early next year.

Tougher sanctions will replace the current system of police warnings, and officers will be able to arrest first-time offenders.

Smith justified her decision by highlighting the strength of "skunk" strains of herbal cannabis now widely available.

Last week, Gordon Brown warned of the "more lethal quality" of much of the cannabis now available, described it as a gateway drug, and said that reclassification was needed to "send a message to young people that it was unacceptable".

The home secretary told the Commons today: "Reclassification reflects the fact that skunk, a much stronger type of the drug, now dominates the cannabis market."

She said it accounted for 81% of cannabis available on the streets compared to just 30% in 2002.

The average age of first use is 13 years old and young people may binge on skunk in the same way as alcohol, trying to achieve the maximum effect, she told MPs, saying the Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs found that the consequences of this binge smoking "may be serious to their mental health".

Smith said the reclassification would mean "more robust" enforcement against the supply and possession of cannabis and a new approach to tackling cannabis farms and the organised criminals behind them.

She also announced she would work with the Association of Chief Police Officers (Acpo) to find ways of using existing laws to curtail the trade in cannabis paraphernalia such as pipes.

Smith's decision to upgrade the drug went against the recommendations of the government's scientific experts, the Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs, which was asked by Smith to take its third look at cannabis classification in recent years.

The council's advice, published today, was that cannabis should remain class C.

The ACMD chair, Professor Sir Michael Rawlins, refused to criticise the home secretary saying the ACMD's recommendations were based entirely on harmfulness - but that governments had the right to consider other factors.

He said: "We don't take into account 'the message', we don't take into account policing priorities; we are obliged by law only to take into account the harmfulness.

"The government may want to take into account other matters. That's their right; they are the government. We are only an advisory committee and from time to time governments, for their own reasons, may wish to ignore the advice."

He insisted that the recommendation on classification, ignored by the home secretary, was the least important of the 21 in the report.

"The most important ones are the ones related to public health. The thing I take great comfort from is that all the other recommendations are fully accepted and they are the ones that I think will make a difference."

He said he would be surprised if there were any resignations from the council, and advised members to "tough it out".

His council heard evidence that the potency of homegrown herbal cannabis tended to be two and a half times that of imported resin. But they said users now often moderated their intake.

They were also told that the incidence of new schizophrenia cases reported to GPs had gone down, not up, between 1998 and 2005, indicating a weak link between increased potency and use in the past two decades and mental health problems.

Since cannabis was downgraded in 2004 the proportion of young people using it has fallen each year from 25.3% in 2003-4 to 20.9% now. Among those aged 16 to 59, the proportion over the same period has fallen from 10.8% to 8.2%, according to the British Crime Survey.

The shadow home secretary, David Davis, said he supported the decision to upgrade the drug but criticised Labour's indecision over its classification.

He said: "The government's lax approach to drugs is the hallmark of our broken society under Labour."

"This long-awaited U-turn has followed delay, dithering and indecision when the country cries out for leadership," he added.

Davis accused the prime minister of wasting a year by announcing his policy intentions and then handing it to an advisory committee which he finally ignored.

Campaigners for drug law reform, who questioned the relevance of the drug classification system, which dates back to 1971, showed little surprise at today's announcement.

Ben Lynam of the UK Drug Policy Commission said he was concerned that the home secretary had chosen to ignore the recommendations of a commission she had instigated.

"We are very concerned about how political this debate has become. The drug classification system is a very poor vehicle for communicating the risk of drug use to potential users.

"It needs to be taken out of the political arena by using an independent body like the ACMD but that is listened to and gives recommendations based on scientific evidence rather than political expediency."

Danny Kushlick of Transform, another drug law reform lobby group, said: "This argument over drug classification is distracting attention away from where the real and substantive debate on whether drugs should be illegal or regulated."

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Re: Cannabis upgraded to class B drug [UK] [Re: veggie]
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What the fuck, when will this come into effect?

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Re: Cannabis upgraded to class B drug [UK] [Re: beneath]
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God damn it.

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Re: Cannabis upgraded to class B drug [UK] [Re: veggie]
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veggie said:
Gordon Brown warned of the "more lethal quality" of much of the cannabis now available,



Since when did this shit start killing people?

Retarted

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Re: Cannabis upgraded to class B drug [UK] [Re: lil_demented]
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Thats what i was looking for. I wouldnt believe it till i read it. No wonder he wont call for a general election. He knows he'll be kicked out in seconds be cause of his bull shit!


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Re: Cannabis upgraded to class B drug [UK] [Re: Ophanim]
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it makes me sick that people i see everyday can go out freely buying and using alcohol everywhere, getting into fights and accidents completely beligerent no less, without a second glance but if you wanna blaze one up you gotta worry about gettin jailed and fined??? wtf is that?

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Re: Cannabis upgraded to class B drug [UK] [Re: tical41689]
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how the fuck can they base this on 'skunk'... all good buds are sold as skunk. its ridiculous.


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Re: Cannabis upgraded to class B drug [UK] [Re: veggie]
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Lies lies and more lies.

It's all I could have hoped for and more!


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Re: Cannabis upgraded to class B drug [UK] [Re: Visionary Tools]
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Last week, Gordon Brown warned of the "more lethal quality" of much of the cannabis now available, described it as a gateway drug, and said that reclassification was needed to "send a message to young people that it was unacceptable".



Yes. Young people, it is unacceptable for you to sit outside burning some weed and having silly conversations on random tangents. What you need to do is go down to the pub, get smashed, then go beat the hell out of someone who rubs you the wrong way. BE LIKE AMERICANS!

More lethal skunk? Why don't they work on finding any lethal weed period. Tell me Mr. Brown, who was the last person to ever die from "skunk"? How about "regular"? I want proof that someone has died before you start slinging around words like "lethal" and "dangerous".

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The government today defied the advice of drug experts



Thats right, be like America.

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The average age of first use is 13 years old and young people may binge on skunk in the same way as alcohol, trying to achieve the maximum effect, she told MPs, saying the Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs found that the consequences of this binge smoking "may be serious to their mental health".



You don't want so many kids on weed? Regulate it. You don't have enough revenue for your government? Tax weed. It's obvious that Mr. Brown has never spoken to a 15 year old binge drinker or a 15 year old "binge smoker." I have and the pothead recovered in 2 weeks after his mom caught him, the alcoholic has been in and out of rehab for 3 years now. Ill bet that if both of them kept going until today, the pothead would only be spaced out, broke, and have a cough(completely reversible seeing as how I have "binged" for months straight and dropped smoking with only a few nights of insomnia) while the alcoholic developed kidney, liver, and stomach problems on top of insomnia and constant suicidal thoughts. These are people I grew up with, so I know that his suicidal tenancies came to be after he developed alcoholism.

It's sad to see a regression in marijuana reform, but I'm glad it's happening overseas. It's only a small consolation though. Bad ideas are not bound by large bodies of water anymore...


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Re: Cannabis upgraded to class B drug [UK] [Re: HighHat]
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HighHat said:
More lethal skunk? Why don't they work on finding any lethal weed period. Tell me Mr. Brown, who was the last person to ever die from "skunk"? How about "regular"? I want proof that someone has died before you start slinging around words like "lethal" and "dangerous".





Dude... skunk is 100x more lethal than regular cannabis. In fact, it can be as high as 10000x more lethal than regular cannabis.


Remember, anything times 0 is still 0. So yes, skunk is many many times more lethal than regular cannabis.


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Re: Cannabis upgraded to class B drug [UK] [Re: boxcarguy07]
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ya its actually infinitely more lethal than normal weed


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Re: Cannabis upgraded to class B drug [UK] [Re: Coaster]
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SMOKE WEED AND DIE!!!!!!!!!

haha coaster, you woulda been dead a bazillion times over.

or would you infinitely dying?


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Re: Cannabis upgraded to class B drug [UK] [Re: boxcarguy07]
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ya im always dieing, an infinite number of infinitesimal pieces of me die everytime i blaze


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Re: Cannabis upgraded to class B drug [UK] [Re: boxcarguy07]
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boxcarguy07 said:
HighHat said:
More lethal skunk? Why don't they work on finding any lethal weed period. Tell me Mr. Brown, who was the last person to ever die from "skunk"? How about "regular"? I want proof that someone has died before you start slinging around words like "lethal" and "dangerous".





Dude... skunk is 100x more lethal than regular cannabis. In fact, it can be as high as 10000x more lethal than regular cannabis.


Remember, anything times 0 is still 0. So yes, skunk is many many times more lethal than regular cannabis.



The devil weed marihuana makes white women dance to jazz music, darkies use it to lure them into bestial sex acts.

Men smoke skunk and the go out and rape nuns. It's a scientific fact like global warming.


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Re: Cannabis upgraded to class B drug [UK] [Re: Visionary Tools]
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Yeah, I know right? I won't even ask you to provide sources, because it's so common sense!

Also, smoke a joint and you're likely to kill your brother! Your very own brother!

But somehow it's also related to pacifism... kill those dirty commies!


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Re: Cannabis upgraded to class B drug [UK] [Re: veggie]
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Scientists warn Smith over cannabis reclassification
May 8, 2008 - guardian.co.uk

The government's own scientific advisers last night warned the home secretary, Jacqui Smith, that her decision to upgrade the legal status of cannabis would not work in curbing its widespread abuse.

Professor Sir Michael Rawlins, chairman of the Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs (ACMD), said moving cannabis from class C to class B "is neither warranted, nor will it achieve its desired effect".

Smith told the House of Commons yesterday that she had to take into consideration public perceptions and the pressures on policing as well as the advice of the advisory council.

"There is a compelling case to act now rather than risk the future health of young people," she said. "Where there is a clear and serious problem, but doubt about the harm that will be caused, we must err on the side of caution and protect the public. I make no apology for that I am not prepared to 'wait and see'."

The ACMD, the government's own expert body on drugs, decided by 20 votes to three to recommend that cannabis remain a class C drug. Its nine-month review concluded that while more potent, homegrown strains of herbal cannabis, such as skunk, now dominate the British market, the evidence of a substantial link with mental illness remains weak.

Rawlins said that the government had the right to consider other factors but warned that reclassification would make little difference to the levels of consumption: "We know that for people who smoke cannabis, it makes no difference to them whether it is class A, B or C. What is important is a really vigorous public health response."

The home secretary told MPs she had accepted the 20 other recommendations made by the ACMD, including a tougher enforcement campaign against cannabis farms, a crackdown on "head shops" which sell cannabis paraphernalia, including seeds, and a renewed public health campaign.

Smith confirmed that the police approach to those under 18 found in possession of small amounts would remain unchanged. The police will continue to have the discretion to issue warnings to most adults found with small amounts of dope.

But the home secretary made it clear that she has asked the police to propose a tougher enforcement policy with escalating penalties for repeat offenders including fixed penalty fines and in cases involving aggravating factors, such as those which happen in a psychiatric hospital, a prison or a school.

Supplying the drug to children, students, psychiatric patients or prisoners will also attract harsher sentences.

DrugScope, the leading drugs information charity, said in a statement that it was disappointed the government had ignored the ACMD's advice: "Unfortunately, the message given by this decision is that drugs policy can be driven as much by political considerations, media headlines and scare stories as by the evidence."

Professor Colin Blakemore, the former head of the Medical Research Council, said that cannabis use had fallen since 2004 and restoring the drug to class B status would be unlikely to protect those people who were most vulnerable, but would increase their chance of getting a criminal record. "The confusion over cannabis highlights the need for a proper overhaul of the present classification system, which the public neither understands or respects," Blakemore said.

The shadow home secretary, David Davis, welcomed the reclassification decision, but asked why it had taken so long.

"The government's lax approach to drugs is the hallmark of our broken society under Labour," he told MPs.

"The UK has the worst level of overall drug abuse in Europe. Drug crimes have increased by almost a half under this government."

Cannabis was downgraded from class B under Tony Blair, but Gordon Brown announced a review of its status soon after becoming prime minister.

The Liberal Democrats' home affairs spokesman, Chris Huhne, said it was "crazy" to ignore the government's scientific advisers by raising the maximum prison sentence for cannabis possession to five years. "Cannabis use is falling, as is the incidence of psychosis," he said. "We need public education, not public flagellation."

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Re: Cannabis upgraded to class B drug [UK] [Re: veggie]
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"The UK has the worst level of overall drug abuse in Europe."





Looks like prohibition is working then!


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