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Re: Nader Polling 6% [Re: Madtowntripper]
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I hate that song too, what horrible songs you reminded us of. BTW major thread drift we have going on now lol.Besides if not for the indigenous peoples of the America's would you Europeans still be eating moldy pieces of bread to trip out?

Edited by LaineRB (03/19/08 04:05 PM)

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Re: Nader Polling 6% [Re: LaineRB]
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My work here is done.  Suckers.:bluemoon:


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Re: Nader Polling 6% [Re: LaineRB]
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Edited by EntheogenicPeace (02/13/21 04:41 PM)

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Re: Nader Polling 6% [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
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Thanks for your words of encouragment it's hard to not be too cynical in these times but I too have faith that eventually such systems of government that oppress people in general will soon collapse as well. I don't advocate going back to the stone age persay but a better system can be developed than the one we have today.

No need to answer but who will you support this election EtheongenicPeace or do you feel that voting in general does not change the system at all? Assuming you are a U.S citizen I hope you would consider Mr.Nader he fully supports indigenous rights and self direction as well as ending the war on drugs and the war that it brings to the people.

Edited by LaineRB (03/19/08 07:16 PM)

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Re: Nader Polling 6% [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said:
My work here is done.  Suckers.:bluemoon:


We should take away your :mushroom2: and give you back your piece of moldy rye bread lol.

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Re: Nader Polling 6% [Re: LaineRB]
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Edited by EntheogenicPeace (02/13/21 04:41 PM)

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Re: Nader Polling 6% [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
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thanks for voting mccain!


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Re: Nader Polling 6% [Re: afoaf]
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afoaf said:
thanks for voting mccain!


:thumbup:


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If it is life that you feel you are missing I can tell you where to find it.  In the law courts, in business, in government.  There is nothing occurring in the streets. Nothing but a dumbshow composed of the helpless and the impotent.    -Cormac MacCarthy

He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.  - Aeschylus

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Re: Nader Polling 6% [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
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Come on now, entheopeace. I know I'm not gonna convine you, but Obama despises the war.

Show me some evidence that he doesn't, my mind is open to new info. I'm very anti-war as well and would like to see for myself the things that have convinced you not to vote Obama.


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My advice is to find those things that give pleasure and do them often without too much attachment and relax and wait for the show to end.

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I like free markets and all. Truly I do, at least in general, but there needs to be some kind of oversight in recognition of sustainability. Life works the same way, on a bunch of sustainable systems. Why not honor what made us what we are and take some lessons? Nature FTW!

~dill705~

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Re: Nader Polling 6% [Re: dill705]
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obama is only for pulling out of Iraq, but i have a hunch he is "for" invading another country. I watched one of the debates and thats the sense i got. I also seen a lady that worked for both Clinton and obama on that comedy central news show name slipping me mind right now but, if i remember right she said both Clinton and obama are both out to get terrorists in a nutty shell


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Re: Nader Polling 6% [Re: makaveli8x8]
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Yeah, Obama is willing to defend our country. Even from terrorists.

That's my opinion too. We should never start a war. Probably should never aide a war. Absolutely never start some kind of world conquest. But defend our country and it's citizen's, yes. Eliminate the group of people that already have attacked us, yes.

The telling sign that B-Rock doesn't want to invade other countries is his remarkably open attitude to foreign policy and his comments about meeting with our enemies, not just our allies.


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My advice is to find those things that give pleasure and do them often without too much attachment and relax and wait for the show to end.

-Icelander-

I like free markets and all. Truly I do, at least in general, but there needs to be some kind of oversight in recognition of sustainability. Life works the same way, on a bunch of sustainable systems. Why not honor what made us what we are and take some lessons? Nature FTW!

~dill705~

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Re: Nader Polling 6% [Re: dill705]
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Dill,

If Obama were honestly for ending our war in Iraq then why would he continue to vote for Bush's homeland security bill, why would he not rally with other Democrats to call for the impeachment of Bush? If he were truely the anti-war candidate that he claims to be he would have joined with Kucinich and Cynthia McKinney in calling for impeachment of Bush in Congress and he would have joined with Nader in rallying with the people for impeachment.

Edited by LaineRB (03/20/08 02:13 PM)

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Re: Nader Polling 6% [Re: LaineRB]
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I would have been hard pressed to try and impeach a second term war criminal as well.

The people didn't rally behind impeachment and you know they didn't. HE GOT ELECTED AFTER THE IRAQ WAR. That's the biggest piece of evidence against your claim.

The congress does reserve the right to impeach, but why join in something that has little popular support? All it would do is give the republicans a chance to say he's a left-wing nutjob that called for Bush's impeachment. I do't think his non-impeachment stance really speaks to his view that war/killing is bad.

That's taking it a little too far.


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My advice is to find those things that give pleasure and do them often without too much attachment and relax and wait for the show to end.

-Icelander-

I like free markets and all. Truly I do, at least in general, but there needs to be some kind of oversight in recognition of sustainability. Life works the same way, on a bunch of sustainable systems. Why not honor what made us what we are and take some lessons? Nature FTW!

~dill705~

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Re: Nader Polling 6% [Re: dill705]
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With 2/3 of Americans against the war in Iraq you honestly do not believe that there would be popular support for impeachment if the leading members of the Democrats actually decided to make it an issue? This man has a 31% approval rating of his handling of the Iraq war and as you stated he is a second term war criminal, someone like this should be the easiest type of president to impeach. Besides like I said he and other Democrats could put up more of a fight when it comes to homeland secrurity budgets and the various acts that infringe on our rights.

This is the problem with the Democrats since taking over the Congress in 06 they have continued to tap dance around this issue and have showed nearly no back bone when it coems to standing up against the continuation U.S Imperialism abroad. I have given you the reasons why Obama is not the best anti-war candidate and if you disagree that's fine you can elect someone that will continue the status quo for the the Democrats and Republicans.

Edited by LaineRB (03/20/08 02:43 PM)

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Re: Nader Polling 6% [Re: LaineRB]
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Impeachment requires clear evidence that the President broke the law. Can't blame most Democrats for actually knowing that. :shrug:


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Re: Nader Polling 6% [Re: fireworks_god]
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Impeachment aside there is still a lot more that the Democrats could have and still could do to stall this President on a variety of issues. Basically the Democrats have caved and haven't even seriously explored the possibility to any extent.

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Re: Nader Polling 6% [Re: fireworks_god]
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Yes. I'm asking you to show me what makes you think Obama is gonna continue the status quo.

Your response was that you've given the reasons. Well I want you to back up your opinions with fact/references. Then I can use my own brain to come to a more informed conclusion.;)


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My advice is to find those things that give pleasure and do them often without too much attachment and relax and wait for the show to end.

-Icelander-

I like free markets and all. Truly I do, at least in general, but there needs to be some kind of oversight in recognition of sustainability. Life works the same way, on a bunch of sustainable systems. Why not honor what made us what we are and take some lessons? Nature FTW!

~dill705~

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Re: Nader Polling 6% [Re: dill705]
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So voting for Bush's homeland security budget isn't enough or how about excepting corporate donations in general?Obama has recieved funding from the Nuclear industry for his Senate campaign and Presidential campaign. I will take the time to find refrences for you if you insist but I must take off for now.

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Re: Nader Polling 6% [Re: LaineRB]
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Ok. Cool. I really am interested, I hope you don't forget.

I'm all about the nuclear power industry though. I'm young and optimistic because I didn't live through any nuclear crisis like 3 mile island or chernobyl.

Nuclear power, in the form of fusion, is where it's at. I just hope that fusion is finally managed in a controlled setting so we can use it properly.


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My advice is to find those things that give pleasure and do them often without too much attachment and relax and wait for the show to end.

-Icelander-

I like free markets and all. Truly I do, at least in general, but there needs to be some kind of oversight in recognition of sustainability. Life works the same way, on a bunch of sustainable systems. Why not honor what made us what we are and take some lessons? Nature FTW!

~dill705~

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Re: Nader Polling 6% [Re: dill705]
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Nuclear power is awesome.

I can't understand why people are against it.

It's the best option we have.

Do people really think in 100 years we won't be able to get rid of this nuclear waste?


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After one comes, through contact with it's administrators, no longer to cherish greatly the law as a remedy in abuses, then the bottle becomes a sovereign means of direct action.  If you cannot throw it at least you can always drink out of it.  - Ernest Hemingway

If it is life that you feel you are missing I can tell you where to find it.  In the law courts, in business, in government.  There is nothing occurring in the streets. Nothing but a dumbshow composed of the helpless and the impotent.    -Cormac MacCarthy

He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.  - Aeschylus

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