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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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What is ether?
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Im so crap at chemistry sorry!

I just dont understand what ether is?

:peace:

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Re: What is ether? [Re: Chronic7]
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.....maybe should have considered posting this in the chemistry forum....?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ether

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Re: What is ether? [Re: ApJunkie]
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lol i went to wiki before i posted and thats why i posted "im crap at chemistry" :smile:

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Re: What is ether? [Re: Chronic7]
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then I'm not sure how much to simplify it for you.

It's an alcohol. It can't form hydrogen bonds with itself, so it has an extremely low boiling point, which is why you can get "drunk" by huffing it.

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Re: What is ether? [Re: ApJunkie]
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damn?

i knew it was a type of alcohol and you can inhale it to get incrdibly high (fear&loathing) but i also thought it was some name for something in space, like an unseen force that things "appear out of the ether"???

Thats why i posted here, oh well scrap this thread then!

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Re: What is ether? [Re: Chronic7]
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Quote:
2. Chemistry. (formerly) one of a class of compounds in which two organic groups are attached directly to an oxygen atom, having the general formula ROR. 
3. the upper regions of space; the clear sky; the heavens. 
4. the medium supposed by the ancients to fill the upper regions of space. 
5. Physics. a hypothetical substance supposed to occupy all space, postulated to account for the propagation of electromagnetic radiation through space. 



It's both. :smile:

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Re: What is ether? [Re: Chronic7]
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you're referring to "aether", not ether.

Aether was a word to describe "space" before Einstein's space-time theories were developed. Aether is a concept that was outdated about a hundred years ago.


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Re: What is ether? [Re: Chronic7]
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The term can also be relevant to invisible entities/forces. They're said to be "ethereal" (i.e poltergeists, ghosts, DMT elves hehe, your dead grandma speaking to you as a voice inside your head)


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All are lunatics, but he who can analyze his delusions is called a philosopher. - Ambrose Bierce

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Re: What is ether? [Re: flangenips]
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But arent einsteins theorys of space time just calling an invisible force something, like he wanted to explain how gravity works so came up with this space time field, but all these words really are trying to describe is that which connects everything?

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Re: What is ether? [Re: Chronic7]
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I think what im wondering is....is the time space/gravity, dark matter, unseen forces, part of the illusion of reality, or it is the ultimate reality behind this physical illusion?

I suppose the ultimate reality of everything is EVERYTHING which is including all physical and unseen forces.

I thought for a minute these unseen forces ARE everything, so gravity/dark matter/ are god, but then god is eevrything, physical and unseen so that wrong....

well that was pointless!!!

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Re: What is ether? [Re: Chronic7]
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Alchemically, æther can be seen as the fifth element, the one that holistically contains the known four, the element that is always yet to be discovered, x, the dragon element, the stuff from which stuff is made of. :mushroom2:

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Re: What is ether? [Re: AlteredAgain]
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93
I'll plead indifference, but a thread on the aether always tends to a case of the spins :sun:.
http://netowne.com/technology/important/
93 93/93


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Re: What is ether? [Re: lavod]
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No point in mentioning these bats, I thought. The poor bastard'll see them soon enough. We had two bags of grass, 75 pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half-full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multicolored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers. Also, a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether, two dozen Amyls. Not that we needed all that for the trip, but once you get locked into a serious drug collection, the tendency is to push it as far as you can. The only thing that really worried me was the ether. There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. And I knew we'd get into that rotten stuff pretty soon.


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baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaammmm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVZBTAYm3rw

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Re: What is ether? [Re: Chronic7]
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Hmm i see what your on about now... sorta... i guess.

But yeah this is something we certainly know little about, try to theorise about, yet cannot wholly prove of course.

One can start on the grandscale of things, very visible forces, gravity, polarity etc etc. then we delve into the smaller visible and theory-visible forces, like electromagnitivity, atomic bonds etc... then even smaller into stranger bonds and tiny sizes with quarks etc.

Discovering (theorising about) new particles and forces and their relation to us is one ongoing thing. How everything effects us, or even bonds and relates all things to one another etc etc etc... is a very interesting subject. Some of the hardest questions would be "How small can we go?" "What? Common Forces?" "Is this all actually fucking happening?" "Existence?"

i.e many neutrinos are passing through the earth right now. What are they doing to us? so far it seems nothing much of concern. Can we detect them? Maybe, Kinda, well... its difficult.

and as for bats... they're everywhere, well over 1000 species that are accounting for 20% of mammal species. They're everywhere, you most certainly will see them soon enough. :crazy2:


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All are lunatics, but he who can analyze his delusions is called a philosopher. - Ambrose Bierce

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Re: What is ether? [Re: RoosterCogburn]
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Ethyl Ether is NOT the Aether. Aether is a term used 'theosophically' as well as in other schools to denote the Quintessential or 'Fifth Element' (that's right, like in the movie by the same name) which transcends the four elements of Earth, Water, Fire and Air (in decreasing metaphysical densities). Aethr, in Tibetan Buddhism represents Space or Consciousness, the 'element' from which the other four derive and in which they manifest.

Aether was a pre-Einsteinian concept as a medium in which light could travel. It was disproved empirically by the Michaelson-Morley experiment. Sir Arthur Conan Doyle (Shirlock Holmes' creator) confounded the aether/ether words in his novel The Ether Belt which I read as a kid.


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γνῶθι σαὐτόν - Gnothi Seauton - Know Thyself

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Re: What is ether? [Re: ApJunkie]
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ApJunkie said:
then I'm not sure how much to simplify it for you.

It's an alcohol. It can't form hydrogen bonds with itself, so it has an extremely low boiling point, which is why you can get "drunk" by huffing it.


err.. ether is NOT an alcohol (as it doesn't have a hydroxy group(-OH)).
It's a hydrocarbon, a very flamable one that is.
It's flamable like fuck because there's an Oxygen atom smack bang in the middle of the molecule, and it's so closely surrounded by hydrogens...


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Re: What is ether? [Re: Merkin]
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aethir u got it or u dont boiyo heheheh

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Re: What is ether? [Re: Chronic7]
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Chronic777 said:
damn?

i knew it was a type of alcohol and you can inhale it to get incrdibly high (fear&loathing) but i also thought it was some name for something in space, like an unseen force that things "appear out of the ether"???

Thats why i posted here, oh well scrap this thread then!


in this context
It's the carrier of psychic energy
like electro magnetic waves are the carrier of radio signals

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Re: What is ether? [Re: Chronic7]
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Chronic7 said:
I think what im wondering is....is the time space/gravity, dark matter, unseen forces, part of the illusion of reality, or it is the ultimate reality behind this physical illusion?


Do you have any proof that the physical is an illusion?
If so, how do you compare real to illusion? if there was no real to compare to?
If you insist, define 'real'.

Chronic7 said:
I suppose the ultimate reality of everything is


You can only view a part of what is around you now, not what is outside of you, You can't even see everything that is in your room, The light that comes out of your lamp has nothing to do with the light that comes out of your phone or computer. The light that comes out of the lamp has nothing to do with the group of electrons that  wires in your electronic computer, they are not even distinctly disconnect, they are completely unrelated, if you count the things you have in your room today, and then empty your room tomorrow, it would be empty, now fill it with a lot of things the other day, and objects, and computers, then it would be a completely different room, everything there would be new, but there was nothing yesterday. So what do I mean by this? It's exactly that, Objects, Matter, They are existent, You and me we have life, but there is nothing adding up to form a whole, a circle that can connect everything, not even a part of anything can be forming or adding up to "all", even a book shelf.

Chronic7 said:
which is including all physical


We can only study the observable universe, we can't know anything beyond that. And there is no "everything", because even inside a book shelf things will change, if 10 books yesterday formed what was everything in that book shelf, tomorrow 5 books reduced that and the wasn't any more of what you thought before, therefore the definition is wrong, everyday what you see of the universe is new,and add up to more or reduce in a specific PART, so imagine, there is no whole, even a single object that has nothing to do with anything, constantly changing, getting old, some are vanishing and become absent and non existent forever because its energy is not conserved (http://www.preposterousuniverse.com/blog/2010/02/22/energy-is-not-conserved/). Even group of things that are related, still separated substances that are not related to each other or are the opposite of the other. None of these distinct things in related groups can be combined, and I'm only talking about a group of things that are related to each other, I didn't even mention what is not of the specific group.
And unseen forces are of the metaphysical, not even part of anything.

Chronic7 said:
I thought for a minute these unseen forces ARE


Even if unseen forces are in your room now, they are just in your room, they are not part of anything you think they are.

Chronic7 said:
so gravity/dark matter/ are god


God is a religious fantasy. gravity is a completely and utterly separated event from dark ENERGY (which is not matter)

Chronic7 said:
but then god is eevrything


Even if God was real he wouldn't be in everything, omniscience and omnipresence are fallacies. The good one god with a beard is a fallacy, and nothing can be defined as god, the onyl definition for god is the only with a beard which was never found.

Edited by daramantus (04/05/19 10:41 PM)

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Re: What is ether? [Re: daramantus]
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Dude, what is your problem? This is an ancient post and you've exhumed it for what possible purpose? Clearly you are out of your element both philosophically and theologically if you are referring to God as a Bearded-Guy-in-the-sky. Omniscience is one of the best descriptions of a mystical experience, which very clearly you have no intimate experience with. It is an event that transcends subject-object and subjective-objective dualism and relies on a spacial metaphor because it it the closest sensory description of an inner event which is not spacial at all. Mysticism can only be discussed using spacial analogies after the fact. In itself, "pure consciousness events" are ineffable. They can only be approximated later by metaphor. If you want to discuss such matters FIRST read W.T. Stace's book Philosophy and Mysticism. In 46 years of experiencing, contemplating, and studying, this is hands-down the single best book on mysticism I have ever read.

As to illusion, you completely fail to understand the most simple premise of such assertions. They are made sub specie æternitatis. That means your egoic-mind is not capable of grasping the notion because your egoic-mind as it presents itself in your words is completely identified with sense data and its interpretation by linear logic. If you want to understand illusion as asserted by Indian thought you have to take a material object, any object, and contemplate how it arose to be what it is according to your senses, and what it will become in the distant future. I was challenged as a philosophy student by some hulking, concrete-thinking guy decades ago who pointed to a large aluminum flagpole. He suggested that if he banged my head into it that should prove it was no illusion. Violent and stupid he was. I explained in my youth that illusion meant that he had to imagine (for lack of knowledge about Phenomenology at that point) that that flagpole had once been Bauxite ore lying in the ground. It had been mined, send to a plant where it was crushed and heated in a furnace, the metallic aluminum was extracted, poured  into ingots, ingots cooled and shipped to another factory that re-melted the metal and formed it into the cylindrical pole he was looking at.

I further described how that pole would eventually be removed (it was years later when I visited campus) and possibly recycled into other aluminum products. Eventually each of those aluminum products would meet their individual destinies, perhaps in a land-fill where oxidation would dissolve the metal into white aluminum oxide, or maybe someone like me as a kid would pour hydrochloric acid onto the aluminum to make hydrogen gas to fill cleaners bags and make balloons. Who knows? The point was that the term illusion means the "dependent arisings" of the ore (with its own history), the formation into that flagpole, and its eventual transformation into other objects or substances. Under the aspect of eternity (sub specie æternitatis), that flagpole WAS an illusion - as ephemeral as a cloud. But relative to the illusion of me, once just two two cells, then a zygote, an embryo, a fetus, a neonate, a toddler, a college kid, etc., it was only relatively real, just as I was only relatively real. He needed to transcend his egoic-mind and stop seeing things as snap-shots but as motion-pictures. Reality consists in seeing ever-widening horizons not merely the temporally bound data from one's sense data in any given moment. That static vision is what makes people into materialists. The comprehension of Reality requires abstract thought. The comprehension of Ultimate Reality is quite impossible since the finite mind, subject to subject-object distinction is by nature incapable of encompassing Infinitude.

Contemplate that for a while.


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γνῶθι σαὐτόν - Gnothi Seauton - Know Thyself

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