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the studies of Jacobo Grinberg:Psichophysiological Correlates of Communication, Gravitation and
    #7960751 - 01/31/08 03:42 PM (16 years, 1 day ago)

Psichophysiological Correlates of Communication, Gravitation and Unity

the Syntertic theory:
j.grinberrg-Zylberbaum
profesor e investigador de tiempo completo, facultad de psicologia, universidad nacional autonoma de mexico, e instituto para el estudio de la conciencia.


-The syntergic theory postulates that the brain creates an energy field (the neuronal field) that expand into espace, interact with the space-matter continuum, is able to change the informational content of the latter and thus affect other neuronal fields and phisical forces.. According to this theory, gravitation is a by product af an alteration in the informational content of the space-matter continuum, and human communication is based on neuronal field interactions.
It is proposed that a brain operating in a higly coherent mode and in an abstract fashion(high neurosyntergic brain)creates a neuronal field that would decrease the gravitational forces around it .by the same token, a brain funtioning in a relative noncoherent mode and in a concrete fashionLow neurosyntergic brain ) creates a neuronal field that could shift the informational content of the surrounding space toward that modality.
In the syntergic theory, experience is considered as the intereaction between the neuronal FIELD AND THE ENERGETIC(syntergic) organization of space . A high neurosyntergic brain will experience unity, while a low neurosyntergic brain will experience reality from the vantage point of personal ego.
A hight neurosyntergic brain would increase the syntergy of space and thus could affect the experience resulting from the intereaction
of other neuronal fields with that altered space.
THIS APPROACH IS THE ONE THAT CONTEMPORANY PHYSIC REQUIRES IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO INCORPORATE EXPERIENCE INTO ITS REALM AND THUS EXPAND ITS LIMITS TO INCLUDE LIFE AND COSCIOUSNESS.I SUGGEST THAT THIS STEP WILL ALLOW PHYSICS TO FIND THE ELUSIVE UNIFIED FIELD.
A number of experiment have been designed in order to test these ideas; the results of some of then are reported.

1-THEORETICAL INTRODUCTION
A few months before his death, Zen master Shunryu Suzuki said:
....Nothing comes from outside your mind. Usually we think of our mind as receiving impresions and experience from the outside, but that is not a true understanding of our mind. The true understanding is that the mind include everything; when you think something comes from outside, it means only that something appear in your mind. Nothing outside yourself can cause any trouble. You yourself make the waves in your mind. If you leave your mind as it is , it will become calm. this mind is called "the big mind".
If your mind is related to something outside itself, that mind is a small mind, a limited mind.If your mind is not related to anything else, then there is no dualistic undestanding in the activity of your mind. Yuou undestand activity as just waves of your mind. Big mind experiences everything within itself. Do you undestand the difference between the two minds; the mind which includes everything, and the mind which is related to something ? Actually they are the same thing, but the undestanding is different, and your attitude towards your life will be different according to which undestanding you have.that everything is included within your mind is the essence of mind. To experience this is to have a religious felling. Even though waves arise, the essence of your mind is pure;it is just like clear water with a few waves. Actually water always have waves. Waves are the practice of water. To speak of waves apart from water or water apart from waves is a delusion. Water and waves are one .Big mind and small mind are one.when you undestand your mind is this way , you have some security on your fellings . As your mind does not expect anthing from outside, it is always filled. A mind with wavesin it is not a disturbed mind, but actually an amplified mind. whatever your experience is an expression of the big mind(suzuki, 1977).


-Can we postulate some physiological correlative of suzuki's big mind?
The existence of a unified big mind , implies that space as a concept and as a physical realityis no more that an ilusion. If this true, then also , the concept od fistance must be abandoned.
Equally true, the existence of a unique mind, if accepted, makes cumbersome the reality of individual minds and isolated brain structures.
Since science is so cautious in its acceptance OF NEW HYPOTHESES,postulates and theories, to incorporate within its structure the idea of a unique mind, it would be necessary to prove that:
i) BRAIN ACTIVITY EXIST OUTSIDE THE SKULL.
ii) THIS EXTRA-SKULL ACTIVITY ESTABLISH A FUNTIONAL CONNECTION BETWEEN DIFERENT BRAINS AND UNITES THEN.
iii) SPACE IS A COMPONET IN OUR BRAIN'S PERCEPTUAL CONSTRUCTION OF REALITY.
iV) A FUNDAMENTAL ENERGETIC MATRIX EXIST BEHING EVERY MATERIAL OBJECT AND PHYSICAL MANIFESTATION.
v) THE FELLING OF INDIVIDUALITY CAN BE TRASCENDED TO GAIN ACCES TO THE PERCEPTION OF UNITY.

Let us examine each one of the aforesaid postulate, in order to discuss their validity.

1.1 Brain activity exists outside the skull:

It is obvious that the existence of extra-skull activity is a basic condition for all subsequent discussions about the unique mind. with out extra-skull activity, the hypotesis about the existence of a unique mind is unacceptable.
There are at least two pieces of evidence that support point 1.1 . First,the humand magnetoencephalogram(Reite,Zimmerman, Edrish and Zimmerman, 1976). Second, the recent discovery of a relatioship between gravitational changes and brain activity(see section 5 below).
Both the magnetoencephalogram and the gravitational effect show that there must be some kind of a field emanating from the human skull and affecting the surrounding space .
It has been postulates (grionberg-Zylberbaum, 1981a, b ) that as a result of all the neuronal interactions in 50 milliseconds of brain activity(the duration of the present interval, see Torres and Canseco,1980), a synergic field (the neuronal field) is create inside the brain microestructure, and later on expands into the surrounding space.
In the relation to the aforesaid micro-structure, K.H.Pribram writes:
The aggregate of slow potencials present over an extended location at any moment can be described as a state which has a micro-structure. The arrival of impulses at ephaptic or synaptic junctions is never a solitary events. Axonal Terminations are ussually multiple,i.e. axons branch at their ends. As many as 1000 synapses may characterize the junctional posibilitiesbetween a pair of neurons.Dendrites are tree-like almost by definition ,displaying many fine fibered branches wich crisscross, making multiple contacts among neurons, contacts which for some cells(e.g. the amacrine of retina) include structured synapses.thus ephaptic and synaptic events, those that are composed at the junctions between neurons, form a pattern . Inferences about the nature of such a pattern can be made fron know fine structure of the brain and the electrical activity recorded from it. Several such inferences suggest that these patterns make up wave fronts......(Pribram, 1977).


- These wave fronts must be tree-dimensional and in some cases must involve large portions of the brain. The neuronal field emerges as a result of the global activation of brain microestructure of wich the above mentioned wave fronts are only part.
Futhermore, in the experiment about the relationship between brain activity and gravitational forces mentioned before, it was found that a non-local and global change in inter-hemisferic coherence("coherence" is defined as a brain state in which similar EEG patterns and similar evoked potencial are recorded simultaneously in both hemispheres)correlated with gravitational changes. A detailed description of this experiment will be present in section 5 .
A global change in brain activity is probably more related to a synergetic field emergence than a local EEG alteration .
A theoretical construction ( the syntertic theory, Grinberg-Zylberbaum,1979,1980,1981a, b) dealing with the neuronal field will be discused later on in this article.

1.2 This extra-skull activity establish a functional connection between different brains and unites then :

To accept tjis postulate, it is first necesary to prove that a real and direct intercourse between brains exists without the use of know sensory interactions .
Evidence that during human communication direct nonsensorial interchanges of significant messages occur, has been obtained(Grinberg-Zylberbaum, Cueli and Szydlo, 1978)and it will be discussed and extended in the experimental section of the present paper.Here, it is enough to say that the aforesaid direct communication ocurred whenever a high correlation between individual interhemispheric coherences appeared in the brains of the subject during the comunication sessions .
The fact that both direct communication and gravitational changes occur in direct correlation with the brain modifications in interhemispheric coherence support the idea about the existence of the neuronal field and its physiological role as a device to unite the activity of individual brains .
The postulated connection between different brains trough their neuronal fields must involve some medium or matrix in which the intereaction between the neuronal fields could happen.One posibility in regard to this hypothetical medium is the quantum field described by contemporary physics (Capra, 1976).this last hypothesis will be discussed in 1.4 below .


1.3 Space is a component in our brain's perceptual construction of reality:

In the interaction between our retinal receptors and the enegetic information contained in the space of the interaction, a transformation of the quantum field matrix accurs. in this transformations , the information contained in the quatum field is transferred first to a local , analogical microchanges in the membrane potencials and the later on into the propagated, digital action or spike potencials in the axons of the optic nerve.

Perceptual reality as we know it is neither the reality of the quantum field, nor the neuroelectric reality of our brain activity . further energetic transformation must be postulated in order to explain our perceptual experience. when the propagated information caried trought the digital messagesin the optic nerve reaches a depper structures of our brain, at least two families of further energetic transformations occur. First, convergence-divergence networks concentrate digitalized messages in "neuro algorithms"(Grinberg-Zylberbaum, 1976a, b; 1981a). these neuro algorithms unify disperse activity in logical neuronal patterns(Grinberg-Zylberbaum, 1976b). The neuro-algorithmic processes are the basic of concept formation, imagination and meaning(Grinberg-Zylberbaum,1980a).
If an energy system located in the quantum field is capable of being neuroalgorithmized by the brain, it will be percieve as a concrete object. If an energy system is so complex as to excedd the neuroalgorithmic capacity of the brain, this organization will not be percieved at all or it will be seen as a blurred configuration. This last is the case for space.In reality, space is so complex and full of information that our brains is only capable of decodifying the little portion of it transecting our retinal receptors. If we could decodify and percieve simultaneosly all the portions of space, we could see a solid . thus space as transparent and space as an empty and dividing entity is a delusion.

Second, besides the neuroalgorithmic processes, wave fronts(Pribram,1977) appear as slow potencials in the dendritic microestructure of the brain. If the neuroalgorithmic logic has as its function the management of a digital universe, the wave fronts activation deals with the analogical universe inside our brains. both unify disperse activity but serve diferent functions. The neuroalgorithmic logic deals with linear problem solving processes,while the wave front activity is the basis of both the neuronal field and our perceptual experience.
Furthermore, an interaction between the neuroalgorithmic activation and the wave front excitation can be conceived as a means to modulate extremely complex patter of energy. These patterns must be incorporated into the morphological three-dimensional structure of the neuronal field .
A good example of patterns developed though complex interactions are the cymatics patterns(jenny, 1973). In the extremely complex froms of patterns are activated when a vibrating field(i.e. a sound)interacts with a metallic plate on which fine licopodium powder has been deposited. these cymatic patterns follow very interesting laws. For example, with and increase in the frequency of the field, the complexity of the Cymantic pattern increases but a fundamental form in it is maintained.

According to the syntergic theory (GrinbergZylberbaum, 1978, 1979, 1980a, 1981a, b ) a Cymatic type interactions occurs between the neuronal field and the quantum field . the interaction is the basis of our perceptual experience and of experience in general.
Therefore, both the neuroalgorithmic and the neuronalquantum field interaction proceses, indicate that transparent space is only a particular level of our brain's preceptual construction of reality. Thus, a real medium of separation between material object, brains or energetic fields,does not exist.


iam kind of tired english is not mi firts leanguage ,but i will complete all this article be patience,
all my best vibrations to you all.


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Re: the studies of Jacobo Grinberg:Psichophysiological Correlates of Communication, Gravitation and [Re: cactu]
    #7968965 - 02/02/08 02:20 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

"If we could decodify and percieve simultaneosly all the portions of space, we could see a solid . thus space as transparent and space as an empty and dividing entity is a delusion."

Strangely enough, I think I envisioned this once... :mushroom2:


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Re: the studies of Jacobo Grinberg:Psichophysiological Correlates of Communication, Gravitation and [Re: adrug]
    #7989492 - 02/06/08 10:09 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

really adrug , that real cool , i guees most of the visual distortion we see in psiquedelic are this information containg in the space, like auras, sinesthesia, or other evoked potencial as jacobo call it.

i will be puting pictures of the papers that are in english and traslade the rest , or let you guys to learn spanish more easy.
i'm doing a test.


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Re: the studies of Jacobo Grinberg:Psichophysiological Correlates of Communication, Gravitation and [Re: cactu]
    #7990222 - 02/07/08 01:52 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

> all my best vibrations to you all.

Your vibrations would find a happier home in the Mysticism and the Paranormal forum.


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Re: the studies of Jacobo Grinberg:Psichophysiological Correlates of Communication, Gravitation and [Re: Seuss]
    #7990805 - 02/07/08 08:45 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

yes i though about that seuss , but this is sciencie in the last jump to the unreal, unknow, unseem, so maybe when i'm finnish i will put it there too,or they can come to see it here , is the same i look in all the places i found insteresting i know a few will look at it , this information is not for every body so maybe that will filter a few ,that dont need it,
ok to continue the last chapter 1.3 Space is a component in our brain's perceptual construction of reality:

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let me know if you can see this


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Re: the studies of Jacobo Grinberg:Psichophysiological Correlates of Communication, Gravitation and [Re: cactu]
    #8070170 - 02/25/08 09:01 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

1- Empty space is a delusion. what we call space is in reality an energetic matrix filled with information. we only see one point of this matrix each time that we gaze at some object. If we could see all the locations of space simultaneously, space would appear to us as a solid.
2- A high syntergic space concentrates in each one of its locations vast amounts of information in a highly redundant fashion. A similar organization can be seen in a holografic plate . The extreme of syntergy is a space in which each location contains information about the rest of the universe. This space would be the mythical Aleph of Jorge Luis Borges(1970).
3- Our brain creates a syntergic energetic field as a result of all the neuronal interactions ocurring in a finite interval of time(presumably this intervalis the "duration of the perceptual present" meeasuring around 50 msec.).
4- The brain field or neuronal field interacts with the syntergic organization of space, the interaction being with the corresponding spectra of syntergic continuum most similar with the energetic morphological characteristics of the neuronal field.
5- The characteristics of te neuronal field mimic the changes ocurring inside the brain. A brain with a high capacity for abstract information and a great sense of internal unification, presumably is a brain with an extended capacity for neuroalgorithmic creation though the activation of high power converge circuits. This brain will create a neuronal field resembling a high syntergic space, i.e. with greater internal coherence, redundance and concentration of information.
6- Experience is the interaction between the neuronal field and the syntergic organization of space(the quantum field).
7-When a neuronal field is capable of interacting with the high syntergic portions of space, the resulting experience will be a holistic and unified one; the observer will experience a state of unification with everything else in the Universe.
8- Thus, a unified Mind exists and can be experienced.

Obviosly,when the energetic characteristic of the neuronal field and the quantum syntergic field become identical, the two fields become One ( strictly speaking, they are always One)..............




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