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whats native to pnw
    #7604498 - 11/06/07 08:28 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I've read that cyans are thought to be a introduced species to america, same with libs. Are any actives known to be native to pnw (baeos?, azures?, cyanfibrillosa?)?. If any are native why are they so much less abundant than cyanescens?


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Re: whats native to pnw [Re: Topcorn]
    #7604713 - 11/06/07 09:07 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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I've read that cyans are thought to be a introduced species to america, same with libs. Are any actives known to be native to pnw (baeos?, azures?, cyanfibrillosa?)?. If any are native why are they so much less abundant than cyanescens?




this is why the planet is going apeshit, things that are not native, get introduced into the ecosystem, then take it over, driving out the native plants/wildlife/fauna whatever you treehugging hippy douches want to call it.

LOL...

BURN HIPPYS BURN!


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Re: whats native to pnw [Re: jeetered]
    #7604811 - 11/06/07 09:26 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

who are the "hippy douches" your refering to? It doesn't take a hippy or a douch to realize that transferring of species to new areas has a myriad of consequences. It seems to me that native species would die out due to other causes, after all there are plenty habitats for native species to keep a foothold on.


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Re: whats native to pnw [Re: Topcorn]
    #7605118 - 11/06/07 10:34 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

As far as I know Ps. Cyanescens is also native to the PNW, as well as Azures and Baeos (though I don't really know about Baeos).
It seems that Cyans are more aggressive and a little more unassumingly (hope I chose the correct word from the dictionary :laugh:), and therefore spread more successful in conquer new areas.
A few years ago it was highly doubtful to find any Cyans in Germany.
Meanwhile you find them on every second wood chip bed, while Azures and are VERY rare.


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Re: whats native to pnw [Re: Topcorn]
    #7605662 - 11/07/07 05:29 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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who are the "hippy douches" your refering to? It doesn't take a hippy or a douch to realize that transferring of species to new areas has a myriad of consequences. It seems to me that native species would die out due to other causes, after all there are plenty habitats for native species to keep a foothold on.




it's a joke dude.

but yeah, everything but the douche hippy fire, the rest is also true.

and if a "native" species had to pack it's bags and find a new microclimate somewhere else, it wouldn't be very native any more would it?



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Re: whats native to pnw [Re: Fahkface]
    #7605817 - 11/07/07 07:31 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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It seems that Cyans are more aggressive and a little more unassumingly




Good god, i wish they would get aggressive over here again. Been more than two years since any good urban aggressiveness with them around town parks. Our, cats way out of the bag, and I'm not getting the early bird special anymore!! But i doubt that..


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Re: whats native to pnw [Re: 69I8U]
    #27544947 - 11/15/21 09:54 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

pelliculosa is probably native to pnw. it seems like a likely origin for baeos and stuntzii as well. we still know nothing





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Re: whats native to pnw [Re: MadMuncher]
    #27545002 - 11/15/21 10:36 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Native.  Lol if it is growing there it is “native”. Lol


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Re: whats native to pnw [Re: Hunter hunter]
    #27545009 - 11/15/21 10:43 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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Native.  Lol if it is growing there it is “native”. Lol



Not true! Something can occur once and never seen again,  an organism can become naturalized and still not br native.


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Re: whats native to pnw [Re: Doc9151]
    #27545029 - 11/15/21 11:00 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Naturaliazed means they need to follow the rules of the native laws.  So the white people are still just invaders?


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Re: whats native to pnw [Re: Topcorn]
    #27545059 - 11/15/21 11:46 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Me. I'm native to the PNW.

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Re: whats native to pnw [Re: SomeoneWhoIsMe]
    #27545438 - 11/16/21 09:30 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

native |ˈneɪtɪv|
(noun)
a person born in a specified place or associated with a place by birth, whether subsequently resident there or not.
• a local inhabitant
• (dated) often offensive a non-white original inhabitant of a country, as regarded by European colonists or travellers.
• an animal or plant indigenous to a place


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Re: whats native to pnw [Re: SomeoneWhoIsMe]
    #27545462 - 11/16/21 09:51 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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Me. I'm native to the PNW.

:indian:




can i ask why you identify this way? the time range of 40,000–16,500 years ago is debatable and probably will remain so for years to come. do you consider yourself native because you were born there or are you a descendant of the survivors of half a millenia of plaque and genocide?


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Re: whats native to pnw [Re: MadMuncher]
    #27545480 - 11/16/21 10:15 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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Me. I'm native to the PNW.

:indian:




can i ask why you identify this way? the time range of 40,000–16,500 years ago is debatable and probably will remain so for years to come. do you consider yourself native because you were born there or are you a descendant of the survivors of half a millenia of plaque and genocide?




Ah piggy got after me for going off topic.  I was a little buzzed last night.  But even if they did come here from somewhere else.  What amount of time does it take to make us native.  Pretty sure if it grew or was born there it’s now native.  No time limits; or interaction with human, changes that.  Idk


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Re: whats native to pnw [Re: Hunter hunter]
    #27545599 - 11/16/21 11:47 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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do you consider yourself native because you were born there or are you a descendant of the survivors of half a millenia of plaque and genocide?




The dictionary definition says your native to where you're born. No matter if your ancestors came from Glasgow or Hanoi.
With plants and fungi I take it to be a different matter, since it is in regards to species rather than individuals.


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Re: whats native to pnw [Re: Anglerfish]
    #27545619 - 11/16/21 11:57 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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do you consider yourself native because you were born there or are you a descendant of the survivors of half a millenia of plaque and genocide?




The dictionary definition says your native to where you're born. No matter if your ancestors came from Glasgow or Hanoi.
With plants and fungi I take it to be a different matter, since it is in regards to species rather than individuals.





Not my quote but I’ll take it.  Lol.


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Re: whats native to pnw [Re: Anglerfish]
    #27545753 - 11/16/21 01:07 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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do you consider yourself native because you were born there or are you a descendant of the survivors of half a millenia of plaque and genocide?




The dictionary definition says your native to where you're born. No matter if your ancestors came from Glasgow or Hanoi.
With plants and fungi I take it to be a different matter, since it is in regards to species rather than individuals.




Fully agree. The word native, for plants and animals, seems to mean a similar thing to indigenous, for people.


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Re: whats native to pnw [Re: MadMuncher]
    #27545775 - 11/16/21 01:19 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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Me. I'm native to the PNW.

:indian:




can i ask why you identify this way? the time range of 40,000–16,500 years ago is debatable and probably will remain so for years to come. do you consider yourself native because you were born there or are you a descendant of the survivors of half a millenia of plaque and genocide?




yes


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Re: whats native to pnw [Re: SomeoneWhoIsMe]
    #27545925 - 11/16/21 03:14 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

cool hope i not offending just playing with thoughts

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The dictionary definition says your native to where you're born. No matter if your ancestors came from Glasgow or Hanoi.
With plants and fungi I take it to be a different matter, since it is in regards to species rather than individuals.







what about with animals? would you consider modern chihuahuas with an indigenous blood quantum of like 1/32 native to the continent?
] In 2020, the sequencing of ancient dog genomes indicates that in two Mexican breeds the Chihuahua retains 4% and the Xoloitzcuintli 3% pre-colonial ancestry.
they didn't make the wikipedia list though https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_American_dogs

In 2018, a study compared sequences of North American dog fossils with Siberian dog fossils and modern dogs. The nearest relative to the North American fossils was a 9,000 YBP fossil discovered on Zhokhov Island, Arctic north-eastern Siberia, which was connected to the mainland at that time. The study inferred from mDNA that all of the North American dogs shared a common ancestor dated 14,600 BP, and this ancestor had diverged along with the ancestor of the Zhokhov dog from their common ancestor 15,600 BP.

is this a native pnw species?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salish_Wool_Dog


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Re: whats native to pnw [Re: Hunter hunter]
    #27546164 - 11/16/21 06:31 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Some of you seem to not know or choose to ignore that words take on a different meaning at times, and particularly in different subjects. In this case, it pertains to whether or not the organism is indigenous or not. It has nothing to do with people or race. So, leave that out of the conversation. It has no place here. I will not tolerate any racism or racial undertones.


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