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Re: The Freemasons and you [Re: Drink_Punk_Soda]
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Drink_Punk_Soda said:
No Mason will ever lie about his membership. A Mason will be proud to be one, and should have nothing to gain by denying his membership. To do so would effectively be to nullify his membership.



incorrect.


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Re: The Freemasons and you [Re: Drink_Punk_Soda]
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Looking at the website I see that there are a lot of misconceptions about free masonry....I thought it was a cult....but I looked at the site and it looks decent...as long as they really don't infringe on religious beliefs...


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Re: The Freemasons and you [Re: kotik]
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kotik said:
Drink_Punk_Soda said:
No Mason will ever lie about his membership. A Mason will be proud to be one, and should have nothing to gain by denying his membership. To do so would effectively be to nullify his membership.



incorrect.



incorrect.

I have actually met a real Mason. They are definitely not going to lie about their membership to you.

He had no problem telling a total stranger what his ring meant, and was pleasantly surprised that I wanted to know about the Freemasons.


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Re: The Freemasons and you [Re: rizingfire]
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the very foundation of the masons is to accept various religious, political and philosophical standpoints. That's is one reason for so much negative attention - when Christianity was more aggressive (i.e. back when they would kill you in public and admit it - even get help from the public) within a masonic lodge was one of the only places people could gather to discuss their opinions and views on taboo subjects without fear of exposure.


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Re: The Freemasons and you [Re: kotik]
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Care to elaborate?

I suppose there might be some situation where admitting as such would put himself, a Brother, or a family member in direct danger, and he might be required to deny that fact. If you meant something else, I'd be interested to know.


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Re: The Freemasons and you [Re: Drink_Punk_Soda]
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for example, in Germany still today, it is taboo to wear masonic pins or other regalia in public, or speak of it to others. It's still a bit more secret. There are also many masons in the states that look down on bumper sticks and etc.


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Re: The Freemasons and you [Re: kotik]
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I should have been a bit more specific- I was referring to American Freemasons. And that relates to my other point- in places like Germany, and several other countries, Freemasons generally hide their identity because to reveal it would but them in direct danger.

Contrary to popular belief, bumper stickers or other car badges are used not to broadcast the fact that they are Masons to the public. but to identify themselves as Masons to fellow Masons. While a random Joe may know what the symbol means, a Brother might see a car on the side of the road with a bumper sticker, license plate, or badge, and be obligated by his sworn oaths to help that person out. That's why the wife, son, daughter, or other relative might also have such markings on their car. If you are, or are related to a Mason, and request help from a Mason, you WILL get help to the best of their ability.


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Re: The Freemasons and you [Re: Drink_Punk_Soda]
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perhaps, but they are really just bumper stickers, just like having one of those 'i donate to police' stickers. they dont mean shit, because you can get them on ebay.


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Re: The Freemasons and you [Re: kotik]
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That's true, and as a Mason is simply a man, you may deceive him in the same way you might deceive an officer of the law. But I can tell you this, a Brother can identify another with a single gesture or a single question, and unless the impostor (also referred to as a Cowan, or pretender) has done his homework, he will easily be discovered. It is the nature of Freemasonry to help ALL others in need, so you'd likely get your assistance anyway.

I could go online to a number of places and purchase a ring signifying that I've attained the 14th, 32nd, or even 33rd degree (and the 33rd degree rings are quite nice in their simplicity), and I could pin a masonic square and compass to my lapel, and I could read up on the signs and grips and passwords used in ritual (which in truth, I have), but I have no doubt that if I tried to pass myself off as something I am not, I would be discovered with little effort. Such is the nature of Masonic ritual; it involves symbolism in a way that to hear the dialog and see the images is insufficient to pass yourself off as a Brother. This is intentional, and any Mason will tell you as much. It was done so that if a Brother were tortured or in some other way had the information extracted as to what occurred during a Rite, the information would be useless to the tormentor, even though the Mason might fully describe to the best of his ability every last detail.


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Re: The Freemasons and you [Re: Drink_Punk_Soda]
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They have been having a lot of open lodge advertising lately for certain days. I will check it out. I like that the masons are accepting of everyones faith as well as bringing men together in greatness..<<I am not a mason but am interested....


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Re: The Freemasons and you [Re: Drink_Punk_Soda]
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too much power for there to be justice, freedom and peace in the world. 1% controls 99%


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Re: The Freemasons and you [Re: casgoodie]
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blah blah blah; theories are fun, but no evidence makes it an idle brainstorm

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Re: The Freemasons and you [Re: sos]
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Freemasonry = a way for senior citizens to feel cool

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Re: The Freemasons and you [Re: MushmanTheManic]
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I'm honestly more worried about the shriners, I heard they keep the codes to our nuclear launch controls in their cap seams! They are the ones with the inside power



Don't trust them!


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Re: The Freemasons and you [Re: MushmanTheManic]
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That's a common misconception. True, there have been considerably less initiates in the past 20-30 years, but ask some of those seniors when they became Masons, and you might be surprised.


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Re: The Freemasons and you [Re: Drink_Punk_Soda]
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They're still stupid frat boys to me.

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Re: The Freemasons and you [Re: MushmanTheManic]
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That's another matter entirely.  :grin:


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