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woman fired for bumper sticker...
    #5383232 - 03/09/06 10:05 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

irregardless of the outcome of the lawsuit..my gut feeling is that much of corporate america has similarly defined an "al-Qaida"[sic] member as anyone with the wrong bumper sticker..t-shirt..etc...and this provides some insight into the true nature of the "war on terror"...

http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2006/03/09/news/sandiego/20_24_273_8_06.prt

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Woman sues for alleged firing over talk show bumper sticker

By: TERI FIGUEROA - Staff Writer

VISTA ---- A San Diego County woman is suing her former employer, accusing her manager of firing her on the spot when she saw the woman's car had a bumper sticker advertising a progressive talk radio station.

The suit also alleges that, after seeing the sticker, the employer commented that the woman could be a member of al-Qaida.

In a civil suit filed at the county courthouse in Vista, Linda Laroca is targeting both her former manager, Beverly Fath, and the company she briefly worked for last year, Advantage Sales and Marketing, Inc.

Neither Laroca nor the defendants could be reached for comment Wednesday. Laroca's attorney declined comment.

Laroca, who was hired by the company as a sales representative, is seeking lost wages and damages for wrongful termination for violations of both public policy and the state labor code. She is also claiming state constitutional violations and emotional distress.

The California labor code prohibits employers from controlling or directing the political activities of employees.

According to Laroca's suit, the bumper sticker in question read only: "1360 Air America Progressive Talk Radio."

The nationwide syndicated radio programming from left-wing Air America, which describes itself as "progressive entertainment talk radio" features show hosts such as comedian and author Al Franken. The network programming is carried locally by radio station KLSD 1360 AM.

A call to Clear Channel-owned KLSD on Wednesday afternoon was not immediately returned.

In her Feb. 21 claim, Laroca asserts that on Oct. 8, three weeks after she started working for the marketing company, Fath called her on a Saturday and requested they meet at a nearby grocery store parking lot so Laroca could pass on some documents Fath needed.

During the brief encounter, Laroca charges, the manager pointed to the bumper sticker ---- the only one on Laroca's car ---- and remarked that it was a new sticker and called it "that Al Franken left-wing radical radio station."

Laroca alleges in her suit that Fath then told her, "The country is on a high state of alert. For all I know, you could be al-Qaida."

A stunned Laroca laughed nervously at the statement, the suit alleges, and then was dealt "the final blow" when Fath fired her on the spot.




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Re: woman fired for bumper sticker... [Re: Annapurna1]
    #5384642 - 03/10/06 07:55 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

ah! that's got to be one of the most retarded things I've ever heard....these people that jump to stupid conclusions.....kinda reminds me of the time my dad once thought I was anti-christ cuz I listened to Alanis Morrisette... ha


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Re: woman fired for bumper sticker... [Re: Annapurna1]
    #5384714 - 03/10/06 08:47 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

The suit also alleges...

In a civil suit filed at the county courthouse in Vista...

According to Laroca's suit...

In her Feb. 21 claim...

Laroca alleges in her suit...

the suit alleges...

Neither Laroca nor the defendants could be reached for comment Wednesday. Laroca's attorney declined comment.

A call to Clear Channel-owned KLSD on Wednesday afternoon was not immediately returned.

it would have been nice if they had been able to get a hold of an actual person for the story, on either side.


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Re: woman fired for bumper sticker... [Re: Cosmic_Dragon]
    #5387021 - 03/10/06 07:06 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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these people that jump to stupid conclusions




no..its not jumping to stupid conclusions...in the eyes of the corporate bosses..al-Q does include anyone that has a bumper sticker for the wrong radio station...al-Q is not an actual army bent on global domination..but rather a metaphor for all persons that would dare question the corporatist right..even to the extent of a mere bumper sticker...in that sense..i could easily be considered an al-Q member too..and disappeared off to guantanamo..abu ghraib..etc as such...


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Re: woman fired for bumper sticker... [Re: Annapurna1]
    #5389160 - 03/11/06 01:08 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

meh, I understand that there is a method to the madness thats not what im saying...I'm just finding it stupid as in unreasonable....which is why i brought up my dad...He thinks Alanis Morissette is anti-christ (don't know if she is, could care less)...therefor since i listen to her I must be.....same kinda situation....just different people...


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Re: woman fired for bumper sticker... [Re: Annapurna1]
    #5390227 - 03/11/06 07:52 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

in the eyes of the corporate bosses..al-Q does include anyone that has a bumper sticker for the wrong radio station...al-Q is not an actual army bent on global domination..but rather a metaphor for all persons that would dare question the corporatist right..even to the extent of a mere bumper sticker...in that sense..i could easily be considered an al-Q member too..and disappeared off to guantanamo..abu ghraib..etc as such...

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Re: woman fired for bumper sticker... [Re: Annapurna1]
    #5390300 - 03/11/06 08:22 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

God bless America.


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Re: woman fired for bumper sticker... [Re: bukkake]
    #5391555 - 03/12/06 10:45 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Given the astonishing paucity of facts, I will take the very few that were actually offered and expand.

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three weeks after she started working for the marketing company




That is quite brief indeed. I'm pretty sure you can be terminated for anything after 3 weeks. It's called probationary. No cause need be given. Has the idiot gotten another job yet? How long did it take the litigous turd to even find this job?

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Laroca, who was hired by the company as a sales representative




If you are hired as a sales representative you have an obligation to keep your mouth shut about extraneous bullshit. There is not a real estate agent or salesman on the planet worth a shit who would be caught dead with a political sticker on their car. Why alienate at least half your clientelle? Unless you're selling ad space for Air Amerika, no salesperson should have that sticker on their car if it's used for business at all, or any other sticker. You are limiting your effectiveness in your job. Fat strippers get fired all the time. Why waste a lead on this dope.
They have even more right to fire her if she was salaried, as opposed to commissioned, sales. She represents the company. See the phrase "sales representative"

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a new sticker




Looks like it wasn't there when they hired her. Did she perhaps get the job under false pretenses and then, as agent provocateur, put the sticker on to drum up publicity for Air Amerika??????

As to everything she alleges the woman said, a simple denial is enough as there were apparently no witnesses.

Finally, as wilshire points out, it is all, and by all I mean everything, totally unsubstantiated allegations which cannot by their nature be proven without a recording or witnesses.

Look, you can wear a pink mohawk if you want. But you can't wear a pink mohawk and sell anything other than hair dye and piercings.


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Re: woman fired for bumper sticker... [Re: zappaisgod]
    #5391563 - 03/12/06 10:49 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I guess it's safe to say that woman doesn't have what it takes to become a superstar of business.




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Re: woman fired for bumper sticker... [Re: zappaisgod]
    #5391580 - 03/12/06 10:58 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

You're spelling America wrong.


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Re: woman fired for bumper sticker... [Re: Phred]
    #5391599 - 03/12/06 11:08 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Phred said:
I guess it's safe to say that woman doesn't have what it takes to become a superstar of business.




Phred




You bastard. Now I need a new keyboard.


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Re: woman fired for bumper sticker... [Re: Redstorm]
    #5391601 - 03/12/06 11:10 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Redstorm said:
You're spelling America wrong.




Hmm, I'll have to recalibrate my spell checker. Every time the word before is Air it says I have to spell it with at least one "k"


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Re: woman fired for bumper sticker... [Re: zappaisgod]
    #5391810 - 03/12/06 12:29 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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If you are hired as a sales representative you have an obligation to keep your mouth shut about extraneous bullshit.




read the original post...in california..state law expressly forbids an employer from imposing such an obligation..at least wrt political views...and while maybe the company could have fired for no reason..they gave that as the reason...

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There is not a real estate agent or salesman on the planet worth a shit who would be caught dead with a political sticker on their car. Why alienate at least half your clientelle?




yeah..like i wanna buy a house..so what kind of bumper stickers do you got on your car?...

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Look, you can wear a pink mohawk if you want. But you can't wear a pink mohawk and sell anything other than hair dye and piercings.




pink mohawk : bumper sticker :: apples : pepperoni pizzas...

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Hmm, I'll have to recalibrate my spell checker. Every time the word before is Air it says I have to spell it with at least one "k"




the correct spelling is amerikkka..with 3 ks...


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Re: woman fired for bumper sticker... [Re: Annapurna1]
    #5391893 - 03/12/06 01:00 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Annapurna1 said:
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If you are hired as a sales representative you have an obligation to keep your mouth shut about extraneous bullshit.




read the original post...in california..state law expressly forbids an employer from imposing such an obligation..at least wrt political views...and while maybe the company could have fired for no reason..they gave that as the reason...




I read the original post and what you are saying is inaccurate. The plaintiff says, without offering any proof, that that is the reason given. The company does not admit to that. Further, there is absolutely nothing wrong with a sales company insisting that it's representatives, while on the job, make no political statement. If the vehicle was used in the course of her employment they can demand that the sticker be removed, whether the company pays directly for the car or not. California state law probably has laws about discriminating against fat people too but you can definitely fire a stripper if she gets fat. A sales rep for an arms company can't be riding around with a PETA sticker and keep her job. That's it and it's quite legal.

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There is not a real estate agent or salesman on the planet worth a shit who would be caught dead with a political sticker on their car. Why alienate at least half your clientelle?




yeah..like i wanna buy a house..so what kind of bumper stickers do you got on your car?...




In the world of sales you cannot afford to offend anyone. Otherwise, they'll get another sales agent. I live in moonbat central and almost all the agents are moonbats but none, not one, has a Kerry sticker. None have a Bush sticker. Salespeople cannot afford to express their politics otherwise they cut their potential clients in half. Suicide. Do you even have a job? If so, what the hell is it? Concierge at the whole foods coop? Not everybody wants to opt out like that.
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Look, you can wear a pink mohawk if you want. But you can't wear a pink mohawk and sell anything other than hair dye and piercings.




pink mohawk : bumper sticker :: apples : pepperoni pizzas...




Not in sales it isn't. And that's a natural fact. Show me again a successful salesperson with a pink mohawk. Or an Air Amerika sticker on their car
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Hmm, I'll have to recalibrate my spell checker. Every time the word before is Air it says I have to spell it with at least one "k"




the correct spelling is amerikkka..with 3 ks...




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Re: woman fired for bumper sticker... [Re: zappaisgod]
    #5392170 - 03/12/06 02:47 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Further, there is absolutely nothing wrong with a sales company insisting that it's representatives, while on the job, make no political statement.




apparently..there is something wrong with that in california...i should also remind you that in this case the bumper sticker in question didnt even make a political statement as such...

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California state law probably has laws about discriminating against fat people too but you can definitely fire a stripper if she gets fat.




you seem to have a talent for making rediculous comparisons...being a fat stripper is not making a political statement...nor can you fire a stripper for being fat either..unless it degrades her productivity or is part of an employment contract...in the former case she can be fired for poor job preformance..but not for being fat...for that matter..porno sites featuring fat strippers are in fact booming..so theres absolutely no reason for you to assume that a fat stripper will necessarily be fired...

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A sales rep for an arms company can't be riding around with a PETA sticker and keep her job.




news flash ..arms manufacturers are interested in killing people...they dont give a fuck about animal rights one way or the other...

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Show me again a successful salesperson with a pink mohawk. Or an Air Amerika sticker on their car.




you said it yourself...you can still sell hair dye and piercings with a pink mohawk...i dont know any myself..but im sure its good business for them...and i dont bother to read their bumper stickers either...


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Re: woman fired for bumper sticker... [Re: Annapurna1]
    #5392238 - 03/12/06 03:10 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I'm just gonna take a tiny part of this
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apparently..there is something wrong with that in california...i should also remind you that in this case the bumper sticker in question didnt even make a political statement as such...




2 things here.
1. This newspaper article citing sections of the law does not make them applicable. Hence my reference to fat chicks at strip joints. Ask almost any sales representative whether they make their politics known. It is bad for business. Operative word here is "bad"
2. An AA sticker is the same as a Rush is Right sticker; they are both political statements and they will both piss off a significant portion of the population. Not something any sales rep will ever be tolerated doing

Bulletin to Anna; If you can't keep your thoughts to yourself and kiss ass don't go into sales. Learn a skill that makes you irreplacable and you can shoot your mouth off all you want. Absent that, you have to kiss ass. Like I asked before; do you now or have you ever had a job and if so wnat is(was) it?


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Re: woman fired for bumper sticker... [Re: zappaisgod]
    #5392395 - 03/12/06 04:09 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

i very much doubt any salesperson would actually discuss politics with a client...OTOH..i have the same doubts that the client has time to read bumper stickers either...and in the case of a bumper sticker..theres a high probability that the law would apply..especially if there is no company policy that expressly forbids their display...and stop trying to push the fat-chicks-in-strip-joints analogy.. it is demonstrably untrue...


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Re: woman fired for bumper sticker... [Re: zappaisgod]
    #5392421 - 03/12/06 04:18 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:

If you are hired as a sales representative you have an obligation to keep your mouth shut about extraneous bullshit.  There is not a real estate agent or salesman on the planet worth a shit who would be caught dead with a political sticker on their car.




:lol: Where are you getting this? What makes you such an expert on sales, because I think yer way off.


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Re: woman fired for bumper sticker... [Re: gluke bastid]
    #5392482 - 03/12/06 04:35 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Married to one and know dozens of others. I'm not making this up and I censor myself when I'm out with her and customers of hers.


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Re: woman fired for bumper sticker... [Re: gluke bastid]
    #5392937 - 03/12/06 06:40 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

As someone who has spent almost all his working life in sales and sales management, I will verify zappa's take on this. No sales person worth a pinch of coon shit would ever drive a car with a bumper sticker like that on it, nor would any sales manager worth a pinch of coon shit allow any of his sales staff to drive a car with a bumper sticker like that on it. It's just common sense.




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Re: woman fired for bumper sticker... [Re: Annapurna1]
    #5394645 - 03/13/06 09:47 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

The only way I can see where the "victim" could really be called that would be if she were not using that vehicle for business purposes, which she was when she met her boss in the parking lot kind of. Not quite the same as a business call with a client

I think Zappa's ingenious solution of getting hairdressers to sell real estate is brilliant. People should know the politics of the people they do business with so they can discriminate.


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