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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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Hypothetical situation (Nature vs. Nurture)
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Take two people of below-average intelligence who are impulsive, trashy, and always getting into trouble. Let's say that these two people have a kid and the child is taken away at birth and placed in a stable and loving home with intelligent, supportive, and well-grounded parents. The child receives the best in education and upbringing.

Do you think that intelligence and personality are genetic and that the child will be stupid and a fuckup? Or do you think that the good environment will be what shapes the child and they will end up smart and well-adjusted?

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Re: Hypothetical situation (Nature vs. Nurture) [Re: z_x_x_z]
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dr_gonz said:
the good environment will be what shapes the child and they will end up smart and well-adjusted



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Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity. Im not too sure about the former.      -Einstein

Of course the rules need to be enforced, but the goal of law and order should be to create a just society, not to enforce laws. -Unknown

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Re: Hypothetical situation (Nature vs. Nurture) [Re: z_x_x_z]
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I disagree. I think that most of our personality and intellect comes from our genetics.

I do think that the child will be more intelligent and well-adjusted than his biological parents, but I still think he will lean towards the dumb side of things though.

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Re: Hypothetical situation (Nature vs. Nurture) [Re: RandalFlagg]
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I believe that the genetics would be a factor but that the environment would be the most influential factor in the child's development.






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Re: Hypothetical situation (Nature vs. Nurture) [Re: RandalFlagg]
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the kid will be more intelligent, better-adjusted. maybe not as much as if he had been genetically predisposed to be intelligent, but assuming the well-to-do parents aren't fuckups at raising kids, then they should instill a good work ethic and sense of determination in the kid. so even if he is somewhat below average intelligence, he should be able to study well to compensate.

i agree with these guys. nurture has more to do with social behavior and personal abilities than nature


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Re: Hypothetical situation (Nature vs. Nurture) [Re: Learyfan]
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Dumb and well-adjusted.


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Re: Hypothetical situation (Nature vs. Nurture) [Re: RandalFlagg]
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Nurture FTW


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Re: Hypothetical situation (Nature vs. Nurture) [Re: RandalFlagg]
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the genetic aspect would of course be a factor but so would the environment. the child would turn out better because of how he was brought up. so yea the genetic low intelligence factor and the other factors he was predisposed to would play a part, but the strong positive environment would play a huge part in making him a far better person than he'd have become if he had grown up with his biological parents.


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Re: Hypothetical situation (Nature vs. Nurture) [Re: RandalFlagg]
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didn't you learn anything from Trading Places?



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Re: Hypothetical situation (Nature vs. Nurture) [Re: ToTheSummit]
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Nature and nurture both play a part in shaping a person. Some people are genetically predisposed to lives of violence but it all depends on what kind of an environment they are raised in. So the kid would probably be smarter than his parents.


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Re: Hypothetical situation (Nature vs. Nurture) [Re: tiny_rabid_birds]
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haha That's a great movie.

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Re: Hypothetical situation (Nature vs. Nurture) [Re: downforpot]
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i dont know the answer , but most of the kids i knew that had every advantage, grew up to be assholes that fuck up alot and keep getting arrested. Not the well to do high earners their parents are.


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Re: Hypothetical situation (Nature vs. Nurture) [Re: rodfarva]
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Yea but were they given every thing or did they have to earn it?


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Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity. Im not too sure about the former.      -Einstein

Of course the rules need to be enforced, but the goal of law and order should be to create a just society, not to enforce laws. -Unknown

“I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.”  -Stephen Roberts

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Re: Hypothetical situation (Nature vs. Nurture) [Re: RandalFlagg]
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If I remember my psychology textbook correctly, genetics have much less to do with intelligence than environmental situations


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Re: Hypothetical situation (Nature vs. Nurture) [Re: Hyper_Panda_GO]
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They never had to earn it , i said "given every advantage..."


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Re: Hypothetical situation (Nature vs. Nurture) [Re: rodfarva]
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And thats why they turned into assholes. No discipline. Thats part of the scenario, good parenting falls in the category of good environment. I dont know a kid in the world who was given everything he wanted and didnt turn into a douche bag, unless he learned at an early age how to act like, well, a civilized human.


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Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity. Im not too sure about the former.      -Einstein

Of course the rules need to be enforced, but the goal of law and order should be to create a just society, not to enforce laws. -Unknown

“I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.”  -Stephen Roberts

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Re: Hypothetical situation (Nature vs. Nurture) [Re: ThirdEyeOpening]
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good point.


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Re: Hypothetical situation (Nature vs. Nurture) [Re: Hyper_Panda_GO]
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It's obviously a combination of nature and nurture. I think nature rules, while nurture plays a smaller part.

King James IV of Scotland was said to have raised babies by remote control in complete isolation from their elders. Do you think the children learned to speak to each other?


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