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Yahoo Helps Chinese Torture Dissidents
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I hope they hang yahoo.

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Yahoo! has asked a US court to dismiss a lawsuit accusing it of "aiding and abetting" torture in China by releasing information that led to the imprisonment of dissidents.

The search company said yesterday that the legal action was "a political case challenging the Chinese Government" which had no place in the US courts. It said that it had merely been obeying the law when it gave Chinese authorities the registration information of a user who had promoted democracy in a forum.

The company was responding to a lawsuit filed in April by the wife of Wang Xiaoning, a writer with a Yahoo! e-mail account who was jailed for ten years in 2003 after he was found guilty by a Chinese court of "incitement to subvert state power."

Yahoo! was referred to ten times in the court's verdict, and the company has acknowledged handing over information – including to the content of e-mails sent by Mr Wang – when requested to do so.

In a filing with a federal court in San Fransisco, Yahoo! said: "This is a lawsuit by citizens of China imprisoned for using the internet in China to express political views in violation of China law. It is a political case challenging the laws and actions of the Chinese government. It has no place in the American courts."

While Yahoo! "deeply sympathised" with the plaintiffs and their families and "did not condone the suppression of their rights and liberty by their Government," the company said it had "no control over the sovereign Government of the People's Republic of China, the laws it passes and the manner in which it enforces its laws."

The dissidents had "assumed the risk of harm when they chose to use Yahoo! China e-mail and engage in activity they knew violated Chinese law."

Another of the dissidents involved in the case, Shi Tao, was convicted in 2005 of divulging state secrets after he posted online a Chinese Government order forbidding media organisations from marking the anniversary of the Tiananmen Square uprising.

"Free speech rights as we understand them in the United States are not the law in China," Yahoo! said. "Every sovereign nation has a right to regulate speech within its borders."

Legal experts said that the case, which is being brought under the Alien Tort Claims Act and the Torture Victim Protection Act, would face difficulties because of US courts' unwillingness to get involved when foreign nationals fell foul of laws in their own countries.

When the Torture Victim Protection Act was passed in 1992, the first President Bush said that there was a danger that US courts could become embroiled in disputes in other countries. "Potential abuse of the statute would give rise to serious frictions in international relations," he said at the time, and would be "a waste of our own already overburdened judicial resources."

Morton Sklar, executive director of the World Organization for Human Rights USA, which is representing the dissidents, told the New York Times: β€œIt is not the Chinese Government that is the defendant here. It is Yahoo!, for their part in this process. They gave the pieces of information that allowed China to take these actions.”

Several internet companies, including Google, have been criticised for blocking politically sensitive content from their Chinese sites.

technology.timesonline.co.uk


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1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Yahoo Helps Chinese Torture Dissidents [Re: Diploid]
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No Wonder Yahoo is bankrolling the Network Neutrality Coalition in hopes that we won't learn about their other high-profile activity...


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Re: Yahoo Helps Chinese Torture Dissidents [Re: Diploid]
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> I hope they hang yahoo.

For what? Obeying the law in the country they were operating within?


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Re: Yahoo Helps Chinese Torture Dissidents [Re: Seuss]
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Edited by EntheogenicPeace (11/21/16 09:49 PM)

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Re: Yahoo Helps Chinese Torture Dissidents [Re: Seuss]
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For what? Obeying the law in the country they were operating within?

For complicity with the Chinese in the breaking of international laws against torture.


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Yahoo Helps Chinese Torture Dissidents [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
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> For complicity with the Chinese in the breaking of international laws against torture.

Ah, so Yahoo! should risk their ability to do business in one of the fastest growing markets in the world to enforce international law... of course, lets ignore all the other companies that are currently doing business in china, as they are not supporting a government that is "breaking ... international laws against torture" and lets ignore all the people that buy products made in China, as they are also not supporting a government that is "breaking ... international laws against torture".

It is easy to sit back and boo Yahoo! for giving into China, but fact is, pretty much all of us are just as guilty in our support.


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Re: Yahoo Helps Chinese Torture Dissidents [Re: Seuss]
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Ah, so Yahoo! should risk their ability to do business in one of the fastest growing markets in the world to enforce international law

If they (or any other company) give information to the Chinese with foreknowledge that it will be used to torture someone, then yes, IMO they should be hung up to dry according to international law.

The US is raked over the coals all the time over our own government's breaking of international laws against torture when we ship enemy combatants to other countries where torture is legal. I don't see why it should be any different for American companies. It's wrong in both cases.

Hypothetically, how would you react if the Chinese were legally using slave labor and an American security company was providing the prison and torture services that kept the slaves subdued?

Do you think we should turn a blind eye because it's legal in China and there's lots of money to be made?

I think that even though we may not be able to stop the Chinese government, we should stop the American company, and the fact that they're within Chinese law seems irrelevant to me. They're still knowingly cooperating and directly helping an entity to break international law, and international law should always supersede.


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Yahoo Helps Chinese Torture Dissidents [Re: Seuss]
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Yahoo and both Google routinely help the Chinese PLA root out dissidents by revealing IP addresses, its incredibly despicable. Especially in a country that regards Tianamen Square incident like nothing happened. Its
a sad day if we allow American companies to go against the very principles of our country, in the name of profit.

Pathetic.

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Re: Yahoo Helps Chinese Torture Dissidents [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
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Werd to Chinese dissidents: Your intertubes are not private nor are they anonymous. That is all.


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Re: Yahoo Helps Chinese Torture Dissidents [Re: Seuss]
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Edited by EntheogenicPeace (11/21/16 09:49 PM)

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Re: Yahoo Helps Chinese Torture Dissidents [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
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EntheogenicPeace said:
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It is easy to sit back and boo Yahoo! for giving into China, but fact is, pretty much all of us are just as guilty in our support.


I will agree with that.


Unfortunately, this is my big gripe. I honestly agree with you and Diploid, but why do we only pick on Yahoo! when we are all just as guilty by buying "Made in China" products. Until the majority of people (myself included) are willing to take a financial hit by buying expensive union goods rather than cheap China goods, then I cannot fault companies such as Yahoo! and Google for protecting their own financial interests with relation to China.

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Re: Yahoo Helps Chinese Torture Dissidents [Re: Seuss]
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why do we only pick on Yahoo! when we are all just as guilty by buying "Made in China" products.

Oh man, you're preaching to the choir here. It irks me no end that virtually 100% of the electronics I've bought in the last several years all say Made in China. Cameras, cell phones, MP3 players, routers, LCD displays, and the list goes on.

I'd gladly pay more for something made anywhere else, but there just isn't anything made anywhere else any more.


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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