Home | Community | Message Board

Cannabis Seeds UK
This site includes paid links. Please support our sponsors.


Welcome to the Shroomery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. You'll gain access to additional forums, file attachments, board customizations, encrypted private messages, and much more!

Shop: Bridgetown Botanicals Bridgetown Botanicals   Myyco.com Isolated Cubensis Liquid Culture For Sale   Left Coast Kratom Buy Kratom Extract   North Spore North Spore Mushroom Grow Kits & Cultivation Supplies   Kraken Kratom Kratom Capsules for Sale   Original Sensible Seeds Autoflowering Cannabis Seeds

Jump to first unread post Pages: 1
InvisibleveggieM

Registered: 07/25/04
Posts: 17,504
Dealing with drugs the Dutch way
    #7298978 - 08/15/07 09:00 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Dealing with drugs the Dutch way
August 15, 2007 - expatica.com

The Netherlands is unique not only in its liberal approach to recreational drug use, but also in its preventive measures. Editor Natasha Gunn speaks to the experts and asks why users of the country's number one drug are getting younger and what is being done about it.
********

The number one drug used in the Netherlands is alcohol and what is worrying is that consumers are getting younger.

“Alcohol use starts at between 11 and 14, and between the ages of 13 and 16 pupils start to drink on a weekly basis,” says Roel Kerssemakers, senior prevention worker at the Jellinek, an institute for the treatment of alcohol, drug and gambling problems, serving Amsterdam, Gooi and Vechtstreek.

“If you compare alcohol with cannabis and look at pupils of 16 years you can say that 77 percent used alcohol last month, while 15.6 percent used cannabis,” he says.

According to a report from the European Monitoring Centre of Drugs and Drug Addiction (EMCDDA), between 1997 and 2005, the use of alcohol in the young and very young has increased, whereas the percentage last year of users of cannabis, cocaine and amphetamines remained fairly stable among the general population in the Netherlands of 15 - 64 years.

Audray Wijks, a prevention worker at the Parnassia, which works on drug prevention and care in The Hague, Delft, Gouda, Leiden and Zoetermeer, believes that individualism, a loss of both control and social communities is to blame for the increase in alcohol consumption in the young.

“The world is faster and harder, which means you need to be tough to go with the flow. People have access via computers to a ‘virtual’ life and parents have less control over their children’s ‘actual’ lives,” says Wijks, who also sees the breakdown of family networks as a contributing factor.

How the Dutch are tackling the issue

Addressing the issue, this year the Netherlands caught up with the majority of EU countries through proposing a partial or complete ban on alcohol advertising on radio and TV before 9 pm. Also, in June the Dutch cabinet agreed to a proposal to allow municipalities to decide whether to increase the drinking age for ‘weak’ alcoholic drinks from 16 to 18 and the government is looking into penalising underage individuals for buying alcohol or being in possession of it. Under current legislation only the shop and café owners can be prosecuted.

After alcohol, Cannabis is still the number one drug of choice in the Netherlands, followed by XTC.

Although the age when school-goers start using cannabis was stable between 1996 and 2003 and lies between 14 and 16, Kerssemakers says that the “General opinion about cannabis and the risks involved are more realistic now. Cannabis has risks: there is a risk of addiction and smoking is bad for your lungs. Now there is a lot of information about the risks which are also addressed in drug education.”

This awareness is perhaps reflected by an increase in the numbers of young people seeking help to deal with cannabis addiction. Parents and children also need to be aware that Dutch cannabis (nederwiet) is getting stronger, says Wijks.

Studies have shown nederwiet to have between 14 and 20 times more tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) - the active ingredient which makes users high - than imported varieties. The average THC concentration in Dutch home-grown cannabis peaked in 2003 (20 percent) and levelled off in 2004 and 2005 (18 percent in both years).

“Of school goers between 12 and 18, 9 percent said they used cannabis last month. Of the same group, 20 percent, which is almost 2 percent of the total group, smokes more than 10 times a month,” says Kerssemakers.

The Netherlands compared to other countries

The number of problematic long-term users of heroine/cocaine/crack/amphetamines per 1000 inhabitants in the Netherlands is 2.2 to 4.3. In the UK the figures are 8.9 to 9.7, Spain: 7.1 to 9.9, Austria: 5.4 to 6.1, Sweden 4.5 (Sweden has a high percentage of amphetamine users), France: 3.8 to 4.8, and Germany: 1.2 to 3.0.

Of the Dutch population aged 15 to 64, 3.3 percent used cannabis last month, reveals Kerssemakers. “If you compare this figure with other countries you see that in Spain 8 percent of the population between 15 and 64 used cannabis last month, in Austria 4 percent of the same population, in Ireland 3 percent, in Belgium 3 percent, in Norway and Finland 2 percent, and in the US 10 to 14 percent,” he says.

"In the same population (15 - 64), 0.3 percent used XTC last month, and among pupils aged between 12 and 18, 1.2 percent used XTC last month. When asked ‘did you use XTC last night’, 8.2 percent of the clubbers said ‘yes’," reporst Kerssemakers.

Netherlands main producer of XTC

It is estimated that about 70 percent of the confiscated ecstasy-tablets in the world are produced in the Netherlands: that is between 112 and 224 million tablets. The organisation of the trafficking of amphetamines and XTC within Europe is controlled by Dutch criminal organisations, in collaboration with criminal organisations in the destination countries (Huisman 2005).

Making informed choices

Key to the lower drug usage figures in the Netherlands is perhaps the preventive methods employed by the Dutch.

The Netherlands has chosen the skill-oriented method to educate people about drug usage, an approach which involves making choices, solving conflicts and employing resilience; such as dealing with emotions and resisting group pressure.

This approach has proved to be the most effective says Kerssemakers. “We inform people in a neutral and objective way about the risks, based on scientific facts and not on all kind of prejudices. Also we accept that people have to make their own choices,” he says.

The other preventive methods are fear-oriented (warning) and objective-oriented (giving the facts).

The legal side

The sale of cannabis is illegal, yet the Dutch turn a blind eye to coffee shops selling cannabis, if they adhere to certain criteria: no advertising, no sale of hard drugs, no sales to persons under 18, no causing of public nuisance and no sales of quantities of more than five grams per transaction. Coffee shops are also forbidden to sell alcohol or have more than 500 grams in stock and -in some cities- a minimum distance to a school or to the Dutch border is required.

“The difference between using and dealing has to do with the quantity of drugs you possess. If you have less than 5 grams of cannabis, 1/2 a gram of hard drugs or one tablet, you have a quantity which is considered as a quantity for own use. If you possess more than that you are considered a dealer,” says Kerssemakers.

Will ‘magic’ mushrooms be banned?

Rather than outlawing mushrooms Kerssemakers predicts that the government will shortly outline a new policy, which will involve introducing new rules for smartshops such as making it illegal to sell mushrooms people under 18, making it obligatory for the people working in smartshops to follow a course, and obliging the outlets to give good information about the products they sell.

Drug-testing services don’t encourage use

Both Kerssemakers and Wijks confirm that drug testing services, such as those offered by the Jellinek and Parnassia, inform people as well as help keep track of the kinds of drugs being offered on the market. The existence of the service also perturbs producers from releasing dangerous substances onto the market.

Kerssemakers reports that in 2006, 80 percent of the tablets tested at the Jellinek contained XTC, while 6.7 percent of the tablets contained a completely different psychoactive substance. The average dose was 74 mg.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleindica
Male User Gallery

Registered: 08/17/05
Posts: 18,905
Re: Dealing with drugs the Dutch way [Re: veggie]
    #7299486 - 08/15/07 11:15 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

"“If you compare alcohol with cannabis and look at pupils of 16 years you can say that 77 percent used alcohol last month, while 15.6 percent used cannabis,” he says."


What does this tell you?

:mad2:

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblejewunit
Brutal!
Male User Gallery
Registered: 01/11/07
Posts: 34,264
Loc: Ohio Flag
Re: Dealing with drugs the Dutch way [Re: indica]
    #7299931 - 08/16/07 01:54 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

That more teens drink than smoke in the Netherlands.


--------------------
!

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineJohn Smith
Solo Voyager


Registered: 05/22/07
Posts: 532
Last seen: 15 years, 6 months
Re: Dealing with drugs the Dutch way [Re: indica]
    #7300042 - 08/16/07 04:30 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

xk3m_indica said:
"“If you compare alcohol with cannabis and look at pupils of 16 years you can say that 77 percent used alcohol last month, while 15.6 percent used cannabis,” he says."


What does this tell you?

:mad2:




"The number of problematic long-term users of heroine/cocaine/crack/amphetamines per 1000 inhabitants in the Netherlands is 2.2 to 4.3. In the UK the figures are 8.9 to 9.7, Spain: 7.1 to 9.9, Austria: 5.4 to 6.1, Sweden 4.5 (Sweden has a high percentage of amphetamine users), France: 3.8 to 4.8, and Germany: 1.2 to 3.0.

Of the Dutch population aged 15 to 64, 3.3 percent used cannabis last month, reveals Kerssemakers. “If you compare this figure with other countries you see that in Spain 8 percent of the population between 15 and 64 used cannabis last month, in Austria 4 percent of the same population, in Ireland 3 percent, in Belgium 3 percent, in Norway and Finland 2 percent, and in the US 10 to 14 percent,” he says. "

What does this tell you ?
:smile:

It tells me that the dutch drug policy is effective.


--------------------
I have no idea what I am talking about but I do know I say things you don't understand and if you do understand what I am saying then you are wrong.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineVisionary Tools
Male User Gallery


Registered: 06/23/07
Posts: 7,953
Last seen: 1 year, 10 months
Re: Dealing with drugs the Dutch way [Re: John Smith]
    #7300888 - 08/16/07 12:14 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

And that alcohol is dangerously addictive.

Am I so far out of the mainstream that when given the choice between cannabis (that doesn't make me vomit nor hungover) or alcohol that cannabis wins hands down? Is this not always the obvious choice?


--------------------

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblejewunit
Brutal!
Male User Gallery
Registered: 01/11/07
Posts: 34,264
Loc: Ohio Flag
Re: Dealing with drugs the Dutch way [Re: Visionary Tools]
    #7301427 - 08/16/07 03:10 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

For me it's actually the opposite of the obvious choice, but no, that's not that rare.
Both are pretty shitty drugs in my opinion, but I enjoy alcohol far more than weed and those are the two "social" drugs, so I stick with teh booze.


--------------------
!

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleBridgeburner
Not spiritual at all.
Male


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 09/16/06
Posts: 20,010
Re: Dealing with drugs the Dutch way [Re: jewunit]
    #7301822 - 08/16/07 05:52 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

good news and a great interview.


--------------------

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleindica
Male User Gallery

Registered: 08/17/05
Posts: 18,905
Re: Dealing with drugs the Dutch way [Re: John Smith]
    #7302985 - 08/16/07 10:56 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

John Smith said:

It tells me that the dutch drug policy is effective.





Damn straight :thumbup:

The netherlands has the lowest prison population percentage in the world. It also has one of the lowest violent crimes rates in the world. I don't understand why the world is still so fucking stupid and ignorant when it comes to these statistics. Why is it so fucking hard to believe?

I just can't fathom how people will adhere to this 'drugs are bad' ideal on matter fucking what, just look at the netherlands for example. Not only is it a relatively peaceful nation, but they are a friendly culture by reputation as well.

Sure enough, seeing as ecstacy is outlawed, then organised criminals are going to fill the void there, and will always do so as long as money is involved. I find it sad that the rest of the world would pressure the netherlands into outlawing substances that are far less harmful than other ones which I don't even need to mention.

Decriminalisation is key, and with this will bring a drop in popularity of illicit substances (believe it or not) because as soon as someone can't have something, they'll want it and try to get it, but as soon as it's in front of them, then they'll think twice and won't be as excited about it.

Eh

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblemaggotz


Registered: 06/24/06
Posts: 7,539
Re: Dealing with drugs the Dutch way [Re: veggie]
    #7303929 - 08/17/07 06:16 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

nice read, i goes to show the benefits of a logical and fact-based drug policy.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleRavus
Not an EggshellWalker
 User Gallery


Registered: 07/18/03
Posts: 7,991
Loc: Cave of the Patriarchs
Re: Dealing with drugs the Dutch way [Re: maggotz]
    #7308906 - 08/18/07 10:10 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:


Decriminalisation is key, and with this will bring a drop in popularity of illicit substances (believe it or not) because as soon as someone can't have something, they'll want it and try to get it, but as soon as it's in front of them, then they'll think twice and won't be as excited about it.




Yeah, I doubt that would be the case in the US. Much of the reaction to decriminalization is cultural, and the reason I speculate the Netherlands has a lower rate of cannabis smoking than the United States is because they educate people with the truth rather than spouting propaganda so that teenagers discard everything the government/ school systems tell them. There's also no rebellion involved in the Netherlands, because more people realize others have to make choices, while in the United States, there is a cultural difference in that attitude with many people, especially conservative Christians, so that similar laws may not have similar results.

But we're definitely not on the right track unless the United States government wants to have an awesomely high percentage of people smoking a lot of pot.


--------------------
So long as you are praised think only that you are not yet on your own path but on that of another.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblemaggotz


Registered: 06/24/06
Posts: 7,539
Re: Dealing with drugs the Dutch way [Re: Ravus]
    #7308983 - 08/18/07 10:42 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

well, i'm not in the US. :shrug:


:bongload:

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Jump to top Pages: 1

Shop: Bridgetown Botanicals Bridgetown Botanicals   Myyco.com Isolated Cubensis Liquid Culture For Sale   Left Coast Kratom Buy Kratom Extract   North Spore North Spore Mushroom Grow Kits & Cultivation Supplies   Kraken Kratom Kratom Capsules for Sale   Original Sensible Seeds Autoflowering Cannabis Seeds


Similar ThreadsPosterViewsRepliesLast post
* 11,000 HAWAII STUDENTS NEED DRUG-ALCOHOL TREATMENT motamanM 4,075 4 03/09/16 03:54 AM
by Ogla
* Study: Marijuana leads to hard drugs TinMan 3,930 11 11/03/03 08:52 AM
by Seraph
* Drug use widespread among Polish students AnnoA 1,316 3 07/14/04 03:02 AM
by ivi
* Thai Prime Minister Declares Victory in Drug War motamanM 2,283 4 12/13/03 09:09 PM
by f8L
* Dutch seek to stub out 'cannabis tourism' grib 5,035 17 04/13/09 07:45 AM
by cosmiccabbage
* Dutch gangs fuel LSD comeback motamanM 3,553 15 11/15/03 04:36 PM
by DailyPot
* Dutch Ban on Smoking Hits Pot Businesses Lana 4,081 8 06/18/03 05:06 AM
by cybrbeast
* Dutch Government to Weigh Cannabis Clamp Down SeussA 2,820 14 04/29/04 06:28 AM
by Annom

Extra information
You cannot start new topics / You cannot reply to topics
HTML is disabled / BBCode is enabled
Moderator: motaman, veggie, Alan Rockefeller, Mostly_Harmless
2,700 topic views. 0 members, 7 guests and 2 web crawlers are browsing this forum.
[ Show Images Only | Sort by Score | Print Topic ]
Search this thread:

Copyright 1997-2024 Mind Media. Some rights reserved.

Generated in 0.029 seconds spending 0.007 seconds on 14 queries.