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The response to the modern aburdities of Einsteinian Physics
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THUNDERBOLTS OF THE GODS


The Thunderbolts Project calls into question not only countless modern scientific assumptions, but also the billions of dollars of big-science government and corporate funding that continues to preserve and entrench questionable theories - elevating them to the status of doctrine - while systematically excluding legitimate alternatives that threaten the status-quo. Alternatives that may represent the future of science.

The Thunderbolts Project offers remarkably simple explanations for 'black holes', 'dark matter', the electric sun, comets that are NOT made of ice, planetary scarring and many other 'mysterious' phenomena.

It proposes that much of the currently observable phenomena of deep space can be intelligently explained by already known principles of electricity. High school students get it immediately. A doctorate in higher math is not required.


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Re: The response to the modern aburdities of Einsteinian Physics [Re: cleeen]
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more.. radio talkback recordings

[url=http://video.google.com/videosearch?hl=en&q="The+Saturn+Myth"&um=1&sa=N&tab=wv]parts 1-8[/url]

Edited by cleeen (07/22/07 01:29 AM)

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Re: The response to the modern aburdities of Einsteinian Physics [Re: cleeen]
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I'm not so sure about this video... I'm three minutes in and it states, "It is possible that the predominant force that holds the universe together is not gravity" - but haven't we known for sometime that gravity is a relatively WEAK force and that there are many many other forces acting upon our universe simultaneous for a good (relative) minute now?

Seems to me thus far that the competing assertions in the video are trumped up to make their presumptions seem more valid.


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Re: The response to the modern aburdities of Einsteinian Physics [Re: delta9]
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So far so good, though, it's an interesting comparison of two different kinds of Cosmology. I must say I even LIKE it, because plasma is a very interesting state of matter that really does not get a lot of mention. Interesting theories.


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Re: The response to the modern aburdities of Einsteinian Physics [Re: cleeen]
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I'm torn on this sort of thing. On one hand, as Feynman said (paraphrased), if it is complex, then we probably don't really understand how it works. On the other hand, there are a lot of 'moonbats' out there that haven't taken calculus, but still think that physics should work at their level of understanding.


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Re: The response to the modern aburdities of Einsteinian Physics [Re: Seuss]
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Certainlly interesting. Although I'm not enough of a physicist to judge the validity of their claims.

From what I understand is that although gravity is the weakest of the four fundamental forces but due to the distances and masses involved gravity matters on a galactic level. That is, it is the forces that creates the stars. They seem to dispute the claim that gravity and nuclear fusion is the process behind the creation of stars.

They seem to imply that the structure of the universe is not due to gravity or the curvature of space but due to electromagnetic forces. That the electromagnetic forces is responsible for the structure of the universe. Not some complicated minding bending ultimate theory of gravitation and electromagnecticnuclear force...

Or something like that. I feel asleep halfway through. And I really DO NOT KNOW what the fuck I just said.


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Re: The response to the modern aburdities of Einsteinian Physics [Re: SymmetryGroup8]
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yes yes .. watch it again . we almost gave up ourselves but went back to it and followed it through . At first it seems wacky to have a new theory of something like this , but go with the flow .. listen to what is being said .. to be honest hawking'sand einstein's theories allways seemed bizarre, scary and alien to me

What they are purporting is that

the universe the galaxy etc is all a electrical continuum ..

that our sun is a electric sinkhole (thats why its hotter above the surface than at ground zero)

There are a lot of intuitive and significant paradoxes in einsteinian physics .. this theory accounts for almost all of them

look at the 'unexpected' bright flash when those objects hit Jupiter .. an arc simply explains this ..

look at the great scars on some of the planets .. these are indicative of arcing blasts not sudden cold state volcanology

Look at the hubble pictures they are demonstrating great vast descriptions of plasma fields ..



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Re: The response to the modern aburdities of Einsteinian Physics [Re: cleeen]
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Here's the talkback links again - should work this time :smile:
Its a good chat and explains certain things even better


Thunderbolts of the Gods Pt.1

[url=
&q=the+saturn+myth+thornhill&total=8&start=0&num=100&so=3&type=search&plindex=7]Thunderbolts of the Gods Pt.2[/url]

Thunderbolts of the Gods Pt.3

Thunderbolts of the Gods Pt.4

Thunderbolts of the Gods Pt.5

Thunderbolts of the Gods Pt.6

Thunderbolts of the Gods Pt.7

Thunderbolts of the Gods Pt.8


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David Talbott is a comparative mythologist whose work offers a radical new vantage point on the o... more info David Talbott is a comparative mythologist whose work offers a radical new vantage point on the origin of ancient cultural themes and symbols. His research has been the primary catalyst behind the "Saturn Model," and is the subject of the feature documentary, "Remembering the End of the World." He is the author of The Saturn Myth and co-author (with Wallace Thornhill) of Thunderbolts of the Gods.

Wallace Thornhill is an Australian physicist. His lifelong investigation of "The Electric Universe" offers a revolutionary view of solar system history, the nature of the Sun, the behavior of comets, and stellar and galactic evolution. He is the co-author, with David Talbott, of Thunderbolts of the Gods and The Electric Universe.

The two were both inspired by the theories of Immanuel Velikovsky who proposed that the planet Venus was once a comet that caused havoc as it came through our solar system.

While Velikovsky believed that this event took place around 1500 BC, Talbott suggested that his chronology was off and the cataclysm occurred much earlier, during the first civilizations of humankind, and was documented in stone artifacts and mythology.

Thornhill outlined a scenario in which Mars was hit by a gigantic "thunderbolt" of electrical discharge when a large object came near it. Evidence for this includes an impact "scar" on the planet's surface that is over 300 miles wide, he said. Thornhill also argued that electricity is the strongest force in the universe, surpassing gravity and magnetism. Electricity connects one part of the universe to another and can offer a coherent way of understanding the cosmos.

March 11th, 2007



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Nikopol: You piece of shit! Your objectives are shit. Your filthy rapist god ambitions are shit. You're full of shit, Horus!

Horus: Coming from a human, remarks like that don't carry much weight.

Nikopol: But all that it is not worth of prodigy of your saliva, Jill.

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Re: The response to the modern aburdities of Einsteinian Physics [Re: cleeen]
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to be honest hawking'sand einstein's theories allways seemed bizarre, scary and alien to me

Could you elaborate on what theories of hawking's you are referring to?

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There are a lot of intuitive and significant paradoxes in einsteinian physics .. this theory accounts for almost all of them

I would like to see an example of this if you could, thanks :cool:

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Re: The response to the modern aburdities of Einsteinian Physics [Re: SymmetryGroup8]
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the four fundamental forces

Actually, electromagnetism and the weak force were shown to be aspects of a single underlying electro-weak force by theory in the late 60s and apparently confirmed by the discovery of the Z boson at Fermilab in the 80s.

We're currently down to three fundamental forces: the strong force, the electro-weak force, and that pesky gravity thing.


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Re: The response to the modern aburdities of Einsteinian Physics [Re: Diploid]
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Technically don't the weak and EM forces only unite at a certain energy level?

As far as I know...it's still customary to talk of the weak and EM forces as being separate, because they are so on all but the largest of energy scales.

I thought the strong force had been unified with the electroweak, too?


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Edited by trendal (07/23/07 09:30 PM)

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Re: The response to the modern aburdities of Einsteinian Physics [Re: DieCommie]
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to be honest hawking'sand einstein's theories allways seemed bizarre, scary and alien to me


Could you elaborate on what theories of hawking's you are referring to?


There are so many instances that i generally turn a deaf ear to them now , generally i can submit that Hawking clearly has a deductive gift being able to deal with complex calculations bu that it is my impression that the assumptions he begins (einsteinian) with are not good enough .. but looking at Hawkings website certain things for instance present themselves .. e.g.

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The conclusion of this lecture is that the universe has not existed forever. Rather, the universe, and time itself, had a beginning in the Big Bang, about 15 billion years ago. The beginning of real time, would have been a singularity, at which the laws of physics would have broken down. Nevertheless, the way the universe began would have been determined by the laws of physics


This is a paradox is it not .. ? Physics but without any laws of physics .. thats hocus pocus then isn't it ? and isnt hocus pocus per-se invalid in physics ?

If you would like to listen to a more competent discussion of the paradoxes of einsteinian cosmology you would be better to watch/listen to the accounts of Thornhill and Co via the links .. its my opinion that they present some very significant examples of paradoxes ..


What i wonder is .. if the Sun is a discharging node , then what does that make the Earths electrical polarity value .. neutral ? or would the Earth be charged similarly in alignment with the universal electric field ?..


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Such a beautiful lie to believe in
So beautiful, beautiful it makes me ..

Nikopol: You piece of shit! Your objectives are shit. Your filthy rapist god ambitions are shit. You're full of shit, Horus!

Horus: Coming from a human, remarks like that don't carry much weight.

Nikopol: But all that it is not worth of prodigy of your saliva, Jill.

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Re: The response to the modern aburdities of Einsteinian Physics [Re: cleeen]
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> Physics but without any laws of physics

Look at it from a different view point... for example, if there were no atoms before the big bang, then the laws of physics that govern the behavior of atoms wouldn't matter (or exist). Replace "atoms" with whatever other "thing" that didn't exist before, or immediately after, the big bang.


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Re: The response to the modern aburdities of Einsteinian Physics [Re: Seuss]
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But considering there is no proof of the bigbang yet it seems a bit early to be throwing away the book of reality already don't you think ?

Thats the thing that gets me is how (as the thunderbolts crew state so well) the laws that govern reality as we can know it get thrown away to justify an intellectual position that hasn't been proven ..

Simply put doesn't the big bang theory with everything being nothing and then created as if by God seem a bit thin to base a theory of life as we know it on ? ..

Einstein didnt believe in his equations as much as the book learning experts that followed him .. significant -yes .. all explaining no .. that was einsteins great search and he never claimed to have quite made it , yet nowadays we have these theoretical cosmologists making patchwork theories on the hoof to apparently explain by way of blinding brilliance and more often Baffling Hubris that what is apparently quite wrong and unjustified wrong is in fact right ..


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So beautiful, beautiful it makes me ..

Nikopol: You piece of shit! Your objectives are shit. Your filthy rapist god ambitions are shit. You're full of shit, Horus!

Horus: Coming from a human, remarks like that don't carry much weight.

Nikopol: But all that it is not worth of prodigy of your saliva, Jill.

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Re: The response to the modern aburdities of Einsteinian Physics [Re: cleeen]
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there is no proof of the bigbang

How do you account for the cosmic background radiation?


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Re: The response to the modern aburdities of Einsteinian Physics [Re: Diploid]
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Yes, both CBR and Cosmological Red-shift indeed suggests the big bang.

Also you may want to look up quantum loop gravity theory, there has been some new findings for this theory.

http://www.badastronomy.com/bablog/2007/07/01/what-happened-before-the-big-bang/

So the singularity may not be a singularity....LOL.


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Re: The response to the modern aburdities of Einsteinian Physics [Re: SymmetryGroup8]
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SymmetryGroup8 said:
Yes, both CBR and Cosmological Red-shift indeed suggests the big bang.



Personally i am so much more comfortable with the term "suggests" .. it seems much more accurate to me .

From the point of view of the Thunderbolts crew the red-shifts are also the result of newer "stars" heated as i recall to lower temperatures ..

CBR .. would this also be possible to attribute to another causative phenomena if the initial assumptions were allowed to vary ? .. i.e. beyond the semi-religious assertion that the BigBang occurred ..

Q.does CBR actually prove that the BigBang occurred or does it simply assert that CBR exists ..??

After all , naively and boldly said as this is , couldn't CBR actually represent a continuum that exists independently of the BigBang ..

The entire assumption of the BigBang is unproven , yes? ..
Yet a whole lot of data that is not conclusive is being re-worded to assert that the BigBang is correct ..My question is Why ? .. is it because Theoretical cosmologists are the divine spreaders of truth and light or is it more likely that they are just following the proven behavior of scientific revolution and are currently in the phase of self-justification and denial of alternatives ?

Seems to me more likely that the theoretical cosmologists are becoming ever more fanciful with their new propositions to support these fundamental unproven assertions ..


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It's a beautiful lie ..
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Such a beautiful lie to believe in
So beautiful, beautiful it makes me ..

Nikopol: You piece of shit! Your objectives are shit. Your filthy rapist god ambitions are shit. You're full of shit, Horus!

Horus: Coming from a human, remarks like that don't carry much weight.

Nikopol: But all that it is not worth of prodigy of your saliva, Jill.

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Re: The response to the modern aburdities of Einsteinian Physics [Re: cleeen]
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The entire assumption of the BigBang is unproven , yes?

No offense intended, but it's WAY more supported by the evidence than the yahoo ideas you're coming up with. :shrug:

Stars heated to lower temperature? Eh?

Redshift has nothing to do with a star's temperature. A star's temperature can be calculated from theory, then from direct measurements of where it falls with respect to the main sequence, and independently from its luminosity ratio compared to a Cepheid, and again from its mass as determined by its influence on its surroundings, and many other obliquely related measurements that all independently converge on the same temperature.

When all these disparate methods of estimating a star's temperature agree, and the spectral lines are all shifted exactly the same distance toward the red from where they should be, it is then accepted with high confidence by everyone who knows what they're talking about that the temperature is known and the redshift is due to recession.


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Re: The response to the modern aburdities of Einsteinian Physics [Re: Diploid]
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The fact that scientists were able to guess and FIND that the radiation produced by the 'big bang' would be so red-shifted that it would have turned into microwaves is incredible eh?

That to me is pretty compelling evidence.


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Re: The response to the modern aburdities of Einsteinian Physics [Re: Acyl]
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Ofcourse plenty of the data is going to be inconclusive, theyre theories about the origins of the universe. Think about that.

A theory holds its ground until it cant explain something it is supposed to, so far the ones youve been questioning have been doing quite well.

Disproving an entire theory by a small (unreasonable imo! :tongue:) reasonable doubt is not going to take us anywhere.


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