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LSA HBWR Trip planning help needed
    #6726567 -

OK, so i got my seeds, now i just need to figure out "how"/"how many" to consume them...

right now I am leaning toward a "not eat for the day then smash it with a hammer then take the remnants in a shot of lime juice/OJ and then take a multi-vitamin"-manner.

though I have some distilled water.

No bud, no dramamine, though both should be reasonably easy to aquire.

Planning for a day/sunset/night trip... dosing around 3:30PM.


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"Load universe into cannon. Aim at brain. Fire."
-Alan Watts

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Re: LSA HBWR Trip planning help needed [Re: shnoob]
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I hate to be the one to tell you, but HBWR are not really suited for human consumption. These can make you VERY sick. They have not been traditionally used this way and are not suited for it even if you scrape off the outside fuzz. There are many seeds that contain your alkaloids, but only one or two seeds that are also suitable for human consumption to at least some minimal level. The primary seed that is legal and is used by peoples for thousands of years is the ololiuhqui or "rivea corymbosa". I suggest you take care to find out the correct dosage and be careful. If it were me I would look at what is recommended for this SPECIFIC seed type and take less than that to do a pre-test to make sure it is safe and you don't get sick. I have never done this, but I've read a lot and when I saw your post I felt bad and was worried you might get sick so I want you to stay away from HBWR and if I absolutely can't talk you out of it you should be safe and read up on it and use ololiuhqui, because that is used by many natives for thousands of years and should be safe IF you follow the procedure of the natives. I BELIEVE, though not sure, that they use about 20 seeds and pulverize them in cold water, let sit for maybe 30 minutes, strain out the seeds and then drink the water. If you totally power the seeds and soak in water and use only ololiuhqui AND at the correct dosage that you read the natives use, you have the best change of not getting violently sick and of also getting your desired result.

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Re: LSA HBWR Trip planning help needed [Re: razer7echo]
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some people get sick from even low doses of shrooms.

If they are good you will need 8-11 seeds for a thick trip.

You can even chew them without negative side effects.

Be a caveman, and find out if you are one of the people who can thoroughly enjoy it without up to date info on how to avoid getting sick.

I have eaten 16 seeds tops. I did so over a 30 min period of time and didnt get sick(slight stomach cramps for the first hour(before it kicked in)).

A starting dose would be 8-9 seeds if your seeds are damn good.
Chew them, and eat them like it has always been done.

Im guessing that you should eat 9 seeds over a 30 min period of time with small amounts of bread and quite a bit of water between every few swallows.
You should never eat more than a third of a hotdog bun is what im saying.

Chew everything very well.
Good luck if you use this method.
I have never bothered with extracts because I have no reason to.


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[quote]Me_Roy said:
You moron. Material is material is material.  No 'thing' fixes any situation.  If anything were so simple we would be living in a much better world.[/quote] <-----the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life.
Thanks shroomery.

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Re: LSA HBWR Trip planning help needed [Re: yageman]
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first off, I thank both of you for posting, every time I visit this forum I am more and more grateful for it.

I guess since I have the seeds, plan on tripping, and I am feeling a little adventurous, I should use them.

I know that my seeds are of the Hawaiian strain, and I have gotten some salvia from the same place and it seems to be good (haven't broken through however :-| ) so I'll hope for the best and try 9...

yageman, you changed your avatar... how will i be able to pick out your posts?


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"Load universe into cannon. Aim at brain. Fire."
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Re: LSA HBWR Trip planning help needed [Re: shnoob]
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Anoushka shankar

I love that woman.
I thought it may make people forget about yageman with his picture of some sick geltabs.

The new pic just means so much more to me.
A beautiful woman hugging her sitar.


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[quote]Me_Roy said:
You moron. Material is material is material.  No 'thing' fixes any situation.  If anything were so simple we would be living in a much better world.[/quote] <-----the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life.
Thanks shroomery.

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Re: LSA HBWR Trip planning help needed [Re: yageman]
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If you are looking for a breakthrough of any sort on HBWR.
Id start with 11 seeds(if salvia isnt really doing it for you).

Thats only if you are willing to experience something completely new to you on your first HBWR dose.

9 seeds is pretty sketchy. It can do any number of things.
10-11 seeds, will certainly show you something about why people use these seeds.........and it sounds like you got the right ones.

Also, lsa can last a long ass time when chewed.
Extracts dont last as long and obviously come on very quickly.


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[quote]Me_Roy said:
You moron. Material is material is material.  No 'thing' fixes any situation.  If anything were so simple we would be living in a much better world.[/quote] <-----the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life.
Thanks shroomery.

Edited by yageman (03/30/07 12:10 AM)

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Re: LSA HBWR Trip planning help needed [Re: yageman]
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Ok, if I can't talk you out of using the HBWR, then you need to know how to exactly use these so you don't get the worst sickness they can give you. You need to get a small pocket knife with a blade that is like 1.5 inches (something small like this and narrow so you can use it on such a small seed easily). You need to scrape hard, not brush, down to the seed so that not just the fuz, but the brown coating is rubbed off. It should be almost white or cream colored if you are applying the correct amount of pressure. You need to scrape all three sides, possibly the helum too, which is that little notched pit near the tip where it sprouts from. Scrape in there too to get that white.

Step two. You need a coffee grinder. Take the seeds and put them into a $15 electric coffee grinder and press the button and shake it around for a minutes or two. You should have a chalk like powder resulting. The powder should be near white, if it has black specks or brown stuff in the powder, then you did not scrape the seeds well. You could also use a grinder, but you need the result to be chalk dust or flower in consistency.

Step three. You need to buy distilled water from the grocery store. Get a bottle of that. It will say distilled water and will be with the spring waters. Take that and mix it with the seed powder dosage. Let is sit in a cold dark place for about 30 minutes. There are some disagreements about time, but this should work. You then use a cloth strainer over your cup and pour the water out into another cup and that is what you drink. I have never done this before so I have no idea if it will make you sick. I know it will make you sick for sure if you don't scrape it off and do these preparations, but if you do these things you have a less chance of getting sick and vomiting up yourself for a few hours of pain. Like I said, HBWR contains the alkaloids you want in higher quantities than other seeds, but they have never been used for human consumption because they also contain alkaloids that make you sick. That is why the only seeds that are used for human consumption that you want are ololiuhqui "rivea corymbosa" and the second prefered choice of badoh negro AKA Tlitliltzen AKA "Ipomoea violacea". Ololiuhqui are a strain of a species that is only found in mexico, but they are available and are round white like color seeds. The "impoea violacea" are round long shaped black seeds and are more likely to make you sick. Ololiuhqui AKA "rivea corymbosa" are the ONLY seeds of this type that are likely to NOT make you sick AND contain the alkaloids you are looking for.

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Re: LSA HBWR Trip planning help needed [Re: razer7echo]
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Stop typing and spreading lies. Your posts are really long, and nobody cares what your opinions on HBWR are.


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Re: LSA HBWR Trip planning help needed [Re: shnoob]
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I've been using this plant a lot lately. I've found that the "scraping fuzz" thing is just myth, the fur on the seeds do not make you sick. I recommend eating 1 and 1/2 to 2 hours before taking them. Just chew them and wash down with distilled water. People say that tap water destroys the lsa, so why take the risk eh. They don't taste bad, I think it will most likely cause nausea regarless of the way you eat them.. extraction or just whole. I've read many extraction reports and they usually complain about nausea. The nausea "phase" as I call it doesn't last more than 20 minutes and once it's gone, then you're good to go. I've found that 10+ seeds is good for a pretty deep trip depending on your size, 4-8 is good for a pretty good body high.. just be warned that the body load is pretty high.. I usually find it hard to move around.. it feels like I'm weighted down.. though it's not impossible.. the last few times i did it I was up and about. If you are going for a deep trip don't expect to move a whole lot. That's all the advice I have, good luck on your journey.

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Re: LSA HBWR Trip planning help needed [Re: Sunny]
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mr_sunshine said:
Stop typing and spreading lies. Your posts are really long, and nobody cares what your opinions on HBWR are.


I agree that the whole scraping thing has been reported to be a myth by some and not by others. I believe it could be. The HBWR can make you sick even with doing it so it might not matter. HBWR contains the most amount of alkaloids, but it also contains negative ones even if you scrape. HBWR was discovered to contain the same alkaloids as those seeds which ARE used for human consumption. If you have cannabis you might be able to fend off sickness of HBWR if it turns out to go bad.

I can tell you from personal witness that it can be the most intense and painful experience in ones whole life though and can result in no intending effects at the same time. Maybe something went wrong that time, but I know HBWR can make one VERY sick and that was with somone who didn't scrape, although that might not have been the cause. The nausea is much worse than any alcohol poisoning and it really make you scared for hours and the pain is extreme, if it goes wrong. I have done MANY hours of research and realized that only ONE seed really makes sense and that is the ololiuhqui, which is easy to buy online, because it would not make one sick and is actually used by people rather than happening to contain the same alkaloids as those seeds which are used.

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Re: LSA HBWR Trip planning help needed [Re: razer7echo]
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The way I did it:
1) Scrape Fuzz
2) Grind
3) Eat
4) Wait
5) Enjoy

There are many ways to do it and some people may need to do the extraction for it to work with no problems but for me and my friends it has worked well using the above method with no problem with one minor exception who gets nausea and has to smoke pot for it to go away..

razer7echo said:
mr_sunshine said:
Stop typing and spreading lies. Your posts are really long, and nobody cares what your opinions on HBWR are.


I agree that the whole scraping thing has been reported to be a myth by some and not by others. I believe it could be. The HBWR can make you sick even with doing it so it might not matter. HBWR contains the most amount of alkaloids, but it also contains negative ones even if you scrape. HBWR was discovered to contain the same alkaloids as those seeds which ARE used for human consumption. If you have cannabis you might be able to fend off sickness of HBWR if it turns out to go bad.

I can tell you from personal witness that it can be the most intense and painful experience in ones whole life though and can result in no intending effects at the same time. Maybe something went wrong that time, but I know HBWR can make one VERY sick and that was with somone who didn't scrape, although that might not have been the cause. The nausea is much worse than any alcohol poisoning and it really make you scared for hours and the pain is extreme, if it goes wrong. I have done MANY hours of research and realized that only ONE seed really makes sense and that is the ololiuhqui, which is easy to buy online, because it would not make one sick and is actually used by people rather than happening to contain the same alkaloids as those seeds which are used.


I know from personal experience that it gives the intended effects and depending on who you are and how you prepare it you will be fine. And as bad as it gets for some people NO ONE I have known who have had problems had anything as bad as alcohol poisoning.

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Re: LSA HBWR Trip planning help needed [Re: IMesh]
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http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/6340494#6340494


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"The psychedelic experience is just the temporary disruption of psychophysics and the telepathic emergence of synchronic linguistics "


~Leafing~

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Re: LSA HBWR Trip planning help needed [Re: leafing]
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trip report:
I ate my 9 seeds starting at 3:30PM going till about 4PM. They tasted very green. I proceeded to eat a couple slices of bread too, since i eaten very little the whole day. Then a friend called, who I had told about my trip planning, and we went and smoked a little...

I started to feel this intense feeling of "gravity" (to which, friend make a mocking comment along the lines of "whoa, you can feel gravity?!"). I kept on feeling like a pile of spaghetti noodles; friend commented that it was just a body high. He wanted to go play guitar hero, so we went to my room; However, after arriving, I felt an overwhelming need to lie down. Unfortunately for my friend, the Playstation2 was in another person's room who wasn't in at that time... so he proceeded to play Halo.

Since I felt that something was happening, I closed my eyes and tried to get somewhere. When I did, my breathing and heartbeat became very apparent.  And when i took a deep breath, I could feel this energy inside my body wanting to get out (sorta dreaming that my stomach was distending like a balloon). So I tried taking an even deeper breath, but I could never hold it long enough for this energy to be released.  I didn't want to hurt myself doing something stupid (like self-asphyxiation) so i tried to hold the breath in for as long as possible.. no go...
my friend left, for some prior obligation, though he did ask me if I was doing alright.

this got me in a bad place, I started thinking in loops. everything that I thought related to something else, sometimes these things would be huge realizations, which would make me thing about McKenna's saying about needed to catch the medium sized fish from a trip, which would make me think about something else, and something else, and something else... ad nauseam.

The one thing I remember from these loops is that I thought that I needed to get my life on track, stop doing drugs, and find Jesus. (I actually had this realization 3 times, the first of which was finding Jesus, the second was just a amorphous "God", the third was that i should find nirvana, like Buddha). This was also tied into thoughts that I was going crazy, and that my parents would have to take care of me, find out what I have been doing, and my life would fall apart.

I think at about this time, I got up, went to my desk and wrote, "I could not let go of my ego!" on a small piece of paper.

So after some unknown amount of time (I couldn't really see any clocks) I decided to call another friend. He was outside somewhere, and came over after a little while. I told him that I might be better if had some food, and recommended ramen-noodles. While he went off to make those, I turned on the TV, and found Home Improvement. It was just what I needed. It got my mind off of all these thoughts that had been running through my head and directed all my thought into thinking about what was going to happen next.

I decided to draw something as well. so I started drawing the first thing in my line of vision. an Xbox Controller. But part way through, I realized that I was going to have to draw the buttons of it, (which just a few days prior, this really straight laced kid was doing homework in my room and picked up the controller and started feeling the buttons and commenting on how shiny they were). This made me laugh alot (which was also good for me). However, I also felt the need to explain why I had drawn a portion of an xbox controller and then written "The Buttons!!!" on top of it. My explanation read:

"I started to think that I should draw something, so that I could get my mind out of these loops I've been having in my thought patterns And I started drawing something (but I prove my point :smile: ) so I started drawing the xbox controller & I thought of [straight laced friend's] rant ("love confession") for the buttons"

my food was done now... and i started getting ready to eat it...
I am going to skip this part of the story cause it was boring...

the friends that were around me decided that they better go finish off the alcohol that they had left over, so they left at about 10PM, saying that they would be back soon.

at 12PM... I started feeling nauseated... (I had been for a few hours after eating the Ramen, but it wasn't overwhelming). I got up, went to the bathroom (in doing so making myself more nauseated), and puked a few times... I had also started pouring sweat. I decided to call my friends again. they weren't too intoxicated/inebriated and helped me get some gatorade so I wouldn't get dehydrated.

I felt alot better, my thoughts weren't running everywhere, and the rug that i was sitting on seemed to be sliding across the tiled floor.

After a while my friends decided that they should go outside. I wanted to go, but my legs were not feeling stable enough.

I watched some more TV, and fell asleep still feeling a little groggy.

This morning, my body is feeling pretty tired. though I'm glad that it is all over with.


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"Load universe into cannon. Aim at brain. Fire."
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Re: LSA HBWR Trip planning help needed [Re: shnoob]
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I suggest starting out with only 3.5 seeds, or ½ gram. I usually smash them in a pair of pliers then grind up the bits in a herb grinder, until i get a semi-fine powder. I put them in gel caps bcz they're easier to dose this way, & sometimes add a little sodium bicarbonate to offset any indigestion.

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Re: LSA HBWR Trip planning help needed [Re: Zerstoeren]
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Don't you all love people that have "Read about it around the internet".

This brings me to my next subject,

Am i the only one that realizes most scientific studies are not creating a hypothesis and testing it, rather they are creating a desired result and working up to proving what they want to be right as an instant scientific law?

Scientific Process:
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1. Research matter.
2. Define the question you are asking.
3. Formulate a hypothesis
4. set up a test and a baseline to compare the test to.
5. analyze results, hypothesis proven?
6. If proven define as theory, can it be repeated, if falsified reformulate hypothesis retest.

What i have noticed:
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1. Define the desired result
2. Test things to work up to that result.
3. ?????????
4. Profit!

When scientific testing is done that involves the government it always seems to go the way they want it to?


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Shrowded in an angelic white veil of darkness
~Frosty Storm~

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