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Overcoming The Fear
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I apologize for my casual and stereotypical use of "The Fear", but I figured it definitly describes the event which i experienced.

To keep it short(as i tend to have longer than average posts), On my last trip, My gf and I decided to dose around 11pm while the only person in my home(besides us) was sleeping[my father].

The trip was very mellow for me (although she says it was super intense) and i found it to be beautiful and calm. We sat around, giggled, found wonder in the simplest tasks, took walks and smoked pot. etc

The trip was wonderful the whole time. At one point my father woke up and was heard to be wandering around somewhere upstairs(he had a cold). Automatically i became very paranoid (even though now i realize it was ridiculous - the same thing happens all the time while my gf are having sex or smoking).

For some strange reason, to prove to myself all is well. I went upstairs to see if he is ok(and to show him we are ok and hanging in the basement).
After this, i realized my pupils were super large and i felt as if "he knew"- he didnt.

Anyway, this gave me an uneasy feeling for the comedown, and i had to drink a few glasses of scotch to calm down - knowing that it was just the nature of the trip/event.

Anyway.
The following day i still had anxiety, and felt emotionalyl fragile. (not in a bad way)...all this is ok.

But basically, Having gone through this, and having remained semi-calm in a situation that might have spiraled many out of control,

do you think i have overcome a certain level of mushroom experience, where even though it went "uneasy", i was able to attend the situation?

or beacuse of this event, is it more likely that i will have a "fear" in the back of my mind next time i trip?


PS- please note that i am 23 years of age, and i do not wish for any "you should not trip while living at home, speeches" I try to remain as responsible as possible while respecting my home and those around me. The opoprtunity to shroom came, and this seeme dlike the best time. I dont regret it at all.

Thank you shroomery once again. You guys rock.

Edited by GSxx83 (10/04/06 11:26 AM)

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Re: Overcoming The Fear [Re: GSxx83]
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Well now that you have been through that maybe next time it'll be better and you won't be as scared..

As for why you were scared it's perfectly natural for your parents to scare you especially when you live under their roof.. I would advise you for next time to get some shrooms to just do it someplace where you won't have to worry about anybody that isn't cool with what your doing to come around and bother you.. Just go out on a long walk or something..

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Re: Overcoming The Fear [Re: DrugFreeMan]
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A bad experience can always happen again.


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Re: Overcoming The Fear [Re: MovingTarget]
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^
I am totally aware of that.

I guess my question is- as one becomes more experienced regarding certain events(whether good or bad) while shrooming, does he evenutally become more confident in the trip?

I have a teacher who claims that he has been through so much regarding psychodelics, that he could teach the class while tripping.

When i first started smoking pot, i NEVER thought i could drive while high. I would admire my freind's ability to do such a thing.

Now, not only do i drive better while im high, but i dont mind it at all. Im safe, calm, cautious...etc.

So how does this apply to shrooms, the mor experiences, the better control or understanding?

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Re: Overcoming The Fear [Re: GSxx83]
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Before I had some very high doses I never realised how strong the fear could get. It can get extreme, and you may never get used to it.


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Re: Overcoming The Fear [Re: MovingTarget]
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I have noticed that a few trips after a bad experience are usually uneasy. I am not saying that you are going to have another bad experience but it will be in your head that you will and you will most likey have uneasy feelings. Like stated above I would do it somewhere else than in your parents house. "Set and Setting" are key to your experience and if you would of taken that into account you would have never had your bad experience.

About the only way I have found to make your trips after a bad experience not be uneasy is to take a break for a while. Don't trip for 4 - 6 months or so. When I have shrooms I usually trip 1-2 times a month. When I first started shrooming I would do it once every week if not more. But from my experiences with the mushroom I have learned to repect them more and use less frequently.

Another thing to note is that you learn from everything, even the bad experiences. If you feel a lot of anxiety right before tripping don't trip. If I have a lot of anxiety I just say I can't do it right now and wait longer.

Gooluck and peace out.


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Re: Overcoming The Fear [Re: kungpow]
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I was scared out of my mind thet last time I tripped. I think it will be a long while before I do it again. I need to read and understand it more before I just go into it with out knowing what I'm doing.

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Re: Overcoming The Fear [Re: Kbell]
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Well, if you go into a trip, fearing that 'the fear' will come back again - then the chances of it happening again are likely.

But, if you are not being all paranoid about 'the fear' - chances are, it wont come back.

I find that some people get soo caught up in getting the most perfect set, setting and asking 10001 questions and being so paranoid before going into the trip, that they are almost setting themselves up to have a bad trip if not everything goes exactly the way that they think it should.

Yes, having a good set/setting is important, feeling comfortable with the substance is important, but some people just go over-board and work themselfs up into a state of paranoia before they even trip - that the chances of having a bad trip increases IMO.

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Re: Overcoming The Fear [Re: MovingTarget]
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MovingTarget said:
Before I had some very high doses I never realised how strong the fear could get. It can get extreme, and you may never get used to it.


so damn true. I wish I could get this through the think sculls of some of my friends. They think that because they dealt with things and didnt get scared on a few grams that they are ready for infinite amounts because and I quote "obviously we are intelligent enough to handle ourselves and remind ourselves its just a drug"...

Sometimes there just isnt a possible way to do that, or maybe its just me

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Re: Overcoming The Fear [Re: dedjam]
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Your teacher is right. except for really high doses, you can do just about anything on shrooms like a normal person... eventually. You just gotta relearn how to act normal doing things all over again, that's all. But I mean, everything, even 2+2.


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Re: Overcoming The Fear [Re: Sam1912]
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I would say take your girlfriend to a natural setting next time. Try to go to a place where it will be just you, her and nature. The trip is effected by the setting/environment. I'll bet ou will be fine in a natural setting. Just try to stay away from those situations that may negativly effect your trip.

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Re: Overcoming The Fear [Re: GSxx83]
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i think the way to overcome the fear is to not overthink about the experience beforehand, to know the drug, to do it when you are really up for doing it, and to be cautious with your doses (especially with potent or unfamiliar stuff), and try to go with the drug and dont fight it (i believe this is probably the most important point).

my 1st time doing mushies i had 30g fresh mexican cubensis, handled it fine, i dont think i got paranoid even once. this was probably because i was in a place i know well with some good mates and was expecting something amazing (which is what i got)

2nd time i dont even know how much i did, probably about 3-4g dried mexican cubensis/hawaian cyanscens mix, and again i was in a goot setting with good mates and was expecting hours of hilarity, so thats what i got.

3rd time i took about 6.5-7g dried mexican/hawaian mix (again with mates in a good setting) and after the 1st hour started getting the fear for the 1st time.
now i dont doubt that this was because suddenly rather than the mild trippiness and giggling i expected, i was experiencing full on psychedelia: i felt myself shrink, felt like the room was freezing, even though it was warm, saw the wrestlers on tv change colour and grow horns, saw my mates bed inflate into plastic balls, saw the england flag superimposed over everything, saw evil grinning mushrooms staring at me from the walls, felt like a minute was an hour, saw the most amazing intricate and clear patterns not only with my eyes close, but all over the walls and ceiling, and at one point even felt myself melt into colours.
i was completely overwhelmed. my thoughts were everywhere: thoughts of guilt ("what am i doing to myself", "what would my parents think of me", "shit i gave my mate the same amount of shrooms and its his 1st time"), terror (i almost convinced myself that i had poisoned myself and was gonna die), thought i was going to go insane, thought i was seriously pissing one of my mates off and he was gonna get violent (he though the whole episode was hilarious and most certainly wasnt gonna be violent). basicaly the night was ill prepared, i was far too confident with the dose, and it basically went tits up for the 4 or so hours in the middle of the trip. but when i started coming down it was the best feeling in the world (i felt like i'd escaped death or something)

the time after that i also got the fear, but i could control it because i had experienced it before. i told myself not to worry and to concentrate on the music, which got me through eventually. i only ever had the fear properly once after that (on hawaian baby woodrose seeds) and i believe it was because i was trying to resist the effects of the drug, which only made it worse. in fact that trip was the only one i would call bad. the others got downright terrifying at points, but the good outweighed the bad.

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