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Memories Encoded in Genes
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One of my old friends once told me that a biochemist proved that memories are collectively stored in genes. Has anyone else heard this? If so, do you have any citable refrences? Thank you so much.


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Re: Memories Encoded in Genes [Re: MisterKite]
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Not sure what it is you mean, but I saw a bbc prog called horizon on the subject. It was about that what you parents experience is expressed in the you genetics. Not the genes themselves chance but which genes are "turned" on or off, come to expression. They called it some form of memory.

All a bit bit out of my field but here is a link:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/tvradio/programmes/horizon/ghostgenes.shtml


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Re: Memories Encoded in Genes [Re: DeQuincy]
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I;ve heard the same thing. Pretty interesting.

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Re: Memories Encoded in Genes [Re: AKtoker]
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Kinda like in the movie Godsend.


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Re: Memories Encoded in Genes [Re: pshawny]
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i personally dont believe that theory at all, how can memories be stored in genes if your genes dont change after birth.. i mean sure there can be mutations but i dont think it could be possible for u to store memories in genetics.. evolution accounts for adaptation to different environments and therefore suttle changes in genes.. but i would be interested in reading an article proving such a theory


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Re: Memories Encoded in Genes [Re: MisterKite]
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This is something that has always intrigued me. I've never heard a good explanation on instinct. Trap door spiders, spider webs, bird's nests, and bees dancing to communicate location of flowers seem awfully complicated behaviors. How are such things ingrained?


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Re: Memories Encoded in Genes [Re: HagbardCeline]
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its a learned behavior.. there are tons of studies done.. bees know like patterns like.. lets say u take a cicle of pinecones.. and put it around a bees nest.. if u move the circle of pinecones like 50 feet away.. without the nest.. the bees are fucked.. they just have the inate behavior of relating patterns and objects together.. nothing to do with genetics. atleast thats my understanding


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Re: Memories Encoded in Genes [Re: Banez]
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Are you talking about the bee's dance only?

I know the spider's trap door and webs aren't learned behaviors. Nor are the birds nests.

They still may have nothing to do with genetics but how these abilities are passed on is very intriguing.


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Re: Memories Encoded in Genes [Re: HagbardCeline]
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agreed it is.. i mean its simply remarkable how these BEHAVIORS are passed on. ive done a lot of studying of pavlov, frued, and others who studied different types of learned behavior.. its all very remarkable


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Re: Memories Encoded in Genes [Re: Banez]
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Instinctual behaviour is passed on geneticly. As to memories being geneticly transmitted "memories" would have to be rather broadly defined. One can argue that the species "learned" that a mutation sucked and thus "remember" not to continue the line. But that would be ridiculous.

The genotype is expressed in the phenotype. It does not run backward.


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Re: Memories Encoded in Genes [Re: zappaisgod]
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im only a senior in high school your reply is a little over my head.. but im trying to understand what u said.. i agree with u that behavior is passed on geneticly. and after that you kind of lose me.

of course the genotype is expressed in the phenotype. lol.. thats why there IS a genotype.

this is a very intriging topic and i find what everyone has to say very interesting. I have only been on this board for a couple days now, but im really learning to love what you guys have to say!!


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Re: Memories Encoded in Genes [Re: Banez]
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OHSBrave06 said:
i personally don't believe that theory at all, how can memories be stored in genes if your genes dont change after birth.. i mean sure there can be mutations but i dont think it could be possible for u to store memories in genetics.. evolution accounts for adaptation to different environments and therefore suttle changes in genes.. but i would be interested in reading an article proving such a theory


Did you check the link in my post?
The genes themselves don't change, but their ability to express themselves.
Remember sheep molly? It was a clone from another sheep, still it wasn't the same on a fundamental scale. Molly had exceptionally large organs as do most clone that are grown from stem cells. Like some dampening of expression was missing.

The theory being that in order to use stem cells the gene memory is wiped clean. With gene memory I mean it in the sense of that BBC article.

That is, some genes are turned on and other are turned off in normal cells (including embryos) depending on environmental factors experienced by the parents, grandparents and earlier generations.
This give a clear evolutionary advantage.
Like if a woman being pregnant of a girl, lives through a famine. The baby girl will be under developed at birth. Maybe having small pelvis, witch could be a problem when this baby girl grows up and is having a baby herself. So this third generation baby will also be under weight (small) in order to fit through the smaller pelvis of her mother.
This is all proved in the Scandinavian research. So the birth weight of a baby is (partly) determined by the feeding patterns of her grandmother while being pregnant of her mother. This is hereditary information that can't be stored in the genes themselves. So environmental informations goes on from grandmother an mother an daughter.

Is that memory? I don't know. But genetics just got a lot more complex...


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