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geokills, typical form
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Its nice to know you'll close a thread based off of the desire of the sponsor that is being criticized in that thread.  "closed due to vendor's request"... no wonder he wants it closed everyones saying what a ripoff his prices are.

My point is this, geokills.  If the thread had run its course, it would get buried.  Obvoiusly your concern is with the vendors and the checks you go deposit at the bank and not the community members.  Last i checked this was a forum to discuss sponsors and people's experiences with them.  If you shut down posts just to stifle this, what is the point of having this forum?

just my 2 cents, i'm not surprised at all tho.  In fact i'm almost positive this will be locked or deleted. :smile: waka waka!

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Re: geokills, typical form [Re: vivid]
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I have to agree. Freedom of speech except against those that pay our bills. doh! Sounds alot like a government I know.

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Re: geokills, typical form [Re: PermuhGrin]
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vivid there's a diffrance betwine a gangup and simple critisizem!!!
that being said... if this new vendor is really that bad he won't get away with it either way!


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Re: geokills, typical form [Re: Simisu]
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Yeah, I guess if we dont like it we can go elsewhere. I for one will be staying. Too much information to learn here not to. Just trying to play devils advocate.

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Re: geokills, typical form [Re: PermuhGrin]
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I wouldn't say it was a gangup, there were people defending the vendor too... And this forum is partly for criticism, feedback to the vendors etc. The point is the thread shouldn't have been locked, and it was locked because someone who sent geo a check said he wantd it locked. If i sent them 5% more than he did, i bet i could get it unlocked... its nice to know how far paper goes here now.

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Re: geokills, typical form [Re: vivid]
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vivid said:
Its nice to know you'll close a thread based off of the desire of the sponsor that is being criticized in that thread.  "closed due to vendor's request"... no wonder he wants it closed everyones saying what a ripoff his prices are.

My point is this, geokills.  If the thread had run its course, it would get buried.  Obvoiusly your concern is with the vendors and the checks you go deposit at the bank and not the community members.  Last i checked this was a forum to discuss sponsors and people's experiences with them.  If you shut down posts just to stifle this, what is the point of having this forum?

just my 2 cents, i'm not surprised at all tho.  In fact i'm almost positive this will be locked or deleted. :smile: waka waka!

Oh come on man, cut me some slack.  Sure I ultimately locked the thread because the vendor asked me to, but had I read that thread earlier today, I likely would have locked it on my own without his direct request.  The thread in question had totally run its course, both sides had said what they had to say and it was only going to go in circular fashion from there.  I'm not censoring the topic, as anyone who does a proper BB search on "Mycoshack" should have no trouble finding the thread in question. 

However, I am also not going to force vendors to price-fix for our community; so since the point was clearly made that some people had perceived high prices from the new vendor, and the new vendor responded, even with the intent to negociate better cost of goods and pass some savings on to the customers, what more needs to be said?  Particularly given that a certain user wanted to make a big stink out of this by deleting all their posts.. I mean come on, I don't want to feed dramatics so if you want to just have a continued bitch-fest, take it to the off-topic.  It was the overall tone of the thread that caused me to close it, and not so much the fact that users may question the prices of a certain vendor. 

Please read [this post I made in a related Pub thread].

PS.  I won't close this thread, but I will move it to WA&F where it belongs.


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Re: geokills, typical form [Re: vivid]
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vivid said:
The point is the thread shouldn't have been locked, and it was locked because someone who sent geo a check said he wantd it locked. If i sent them 5% more than he did, i bet i could get it unlocked... its nice to know how far paper goes here now.


At some point the Shroomery devolved from an information sharing site to a business venture. I do not hold Ythan in any sort of lower regard for wanting to cash in, but it is kind of sad to watch.

Rono said:
"Are you suggesting that donations buy influence? Or that members that do not have supporter accounts are inferior?"

Do you know of somewhere in the world where money doesn't buy influence?


Seuss said:
Supporters certainly get more attention from me


And I think Redstorm made a good point regarding the site's value with regard to information versus income:

Redstorm said:
Rono said:
In effect you are freeloading from the Shroomery and still complaining that it's not meeting your needs...


That is bullshit. This is a site based on information. I have seen him contribute in several forums. He is a source of valuable knowledge, and therefore is not a freeloader.



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Re: geokills, typical form [Re: geokills]
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ah nah man, like i said in the pub i dont expect you or anyone else here to police the vendors, its not your responsibility to do anything like that, i just thought it was lame to close the thread when people were still venting. why should it be taken to offtopic? It wasn't offtopic, it was a focussed discussion about a vendor. But, whatever man its all good

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Re: geokills, typical form [Re: daimyo]
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Daimyo, I do not appreciate you putting in quotes from our admin, Seuss, out of context. You make it sound like we give immense amount of favor to anything colored green. Here is what Seuss was actually saying [link to post]:
Seuss said:
I personally feel that everybody that participates in this online community contributes to it. I appreciate the help that the [supporter accounts] provide, but I do not give preferential treatment to a supporter over a non-supporter for real problems. Supporters certainly get more attention from me when it comes to non-problem issues.

Being an admin myself, non-problem issues are often enough very minor errors that do not inhibit the ability of the user to browse the site, or a request for additional features, and not something that is going to take away functionality from any user involved or not.


.. and Vivid, I wouldn't even mind if a new thread is created to respectfully comment upon the pricing structure of any of our vendors -- but if the thread gets to a point where I feel it is repeating itself and emotions may soon overtake (or had overtaken) the root of the conversation, then I will step in to help quell the human drama. It simply seemed to me that the thread that had been locked had received ample comment from either side, so why leave it open only to repeat itself? Especially when it had already been dosed with a hefty serving of drama from what I feel was a largely emotional and unecessary response by HippieChick. As the vendor himself stated:
Quote:
I have no problem with critisism, and yes - some of our products are over retail; deal with it, shit, don't buy it then!



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Re: geokills, typical form [Re: geokills]
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geokills said:
Daimyo, I do not appreciate you putting in quotes from our admin, Seuss, out of context.


I apologize if that's how it came off to you. It stems from my lack of understanding in regards to what is considered a "real problem", and what is considered a "non-problem".

I took his statement to mean that a "real problem" is an issue such as a server or database crash, and a "non-problem" is everything else. In which case, all problems that don't shut down the site are "non-problems", thus following that supporters get preferential treatment on all issues outside of site failure. And if this is the case, as it seems you have just backed up, then I feel my quoting of his words is not unfair.


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Post deleted by srgtm1a

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Edited by srgtm1a (03/13/06 03:20 PM)

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Re: geokills, typical form [Re: srgtm1a]
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Yeah, hippiechick had good intentions, but she was extremely emotional... cutting absolutely no slack even when he made offers of attempting to fix it in the future. There was the one stupid comment (funny, but it really speaks on behalf of geo's intent to close the thread. pushing it probably felt right at the time. But you push, and you get pushed back) about liking flowers after getting "FUCKED, LMAO".

The whole thing could've been done in a more mature manner. Mycoshack did that, regardless of any other wrongs he did or didn't do. He's attempting to run a business, so it is in his best interest to act professional, like any vendor. People take advantage of the fact that they can act like 12 year olds and not be treated the same way back.


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Re: geokills, typical form [Re: srgtm1a]
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This is like..what...the 30th time the shroomery has supposedly "sold out"? Give it a week, nobody will care.

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Re: geokills, typical form [Re: geokills]
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The only problem I have with the whole thing is that there is the danger that the vendors here could use their "Official Shroomery Vendor" status as a way to maintain unfair prices, since they know they will have their fill of cult. noobs to prey on.

This is the only instance I have seen this happen, and I don't know their overhead costs and what-not, but the danger is there and really needs to be considered. I have no problem with the lock, since nothing more of substance was being posted. I would just hope that the administrators are keeping an eye on predatory business practices.

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Re: geokills, typical form [Re: Redstorm]
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Like Geo said, it's up to the individual to do his/her own research. We can't be held responsible for what a Vendor decides to charge any more than we can be held responsible for someone having a bad mushroom trip.


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Re: geokills, typical form [Re: Rono]
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Quote:
We can't be held responsible for what a Vendor decides to charge any more than we can be held responsible for someone having a bad mushroom trip.


No, you can't determine their prices, but you can deny their status as a vendor here. You can do either, though, since you're just a moderator.

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Re: geokills, typical form [Re: Redstorm]
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***can't  :smirk:


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Re: geokills, typical form [Re: Rono]
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<-------- :flowstone:

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Re: geokills, typical form [Re: Redstorm]
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I blame shroomery for all my bad trips. Especially the admins

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Re: geokills, typical form [Re: shriek]
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Anno is responsible for those. :smile:


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Re: geokills, typical form [Re: srgtm1a]
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if she really cared about these people she so dramatically states she is trying to look out for and help, then she wouldn't be going back and deleting ALL of her posts in the mush cult forums as i'm typing this. that's not hurting mycoshack and it's not helping anything. the only people it hurts are the ones she is supposedly looking out for.


i thought that was a valid point.

allow me to be honest.
mycoshack recently became a sponsor at 'topia
just a few weeks before here.
i actually had to ask him to RAISE his prices just a bit
on a few items
so he would not be under-cutting our other sponsors too much.

his pricing scheme seems pretty typical for a retail biz,
some of his items are quite cheap and earn little profit
while others have a nice markup.
that balance is what makes for good business
on both ends.

however
i have noticed a few 'anomalities'
like the 7 flush manure post mentioned here,
that very same fellow, room4shrooms, has posted to
endorse mycoshack repeatedly on 'topia,
so has dragonaut whom i even briefly banned from marketplace
for spamming for the 'shack.
so i think there may indeed be some truth behind the notion
that some puppet theater has been used,
but i have no proof of it.
i'm closely monitoring the situation
and will do so more
now that i've seen
the relevant threads here.

however
i'm not of the opinion that the 'shack behavior or prices
are outside the mainstream i've seen around for years.
he seems sincere and so far
his customers seem happy enough.

one last point-
in the retail world
it's considered 'standard'
to have a mark-up of 100% over costs.
that is,
if an item costs you $10, it should sell for $20.
higher than that, you're just being greedy.
lower means you're running a special to promote biz.
this is true in free societies
but it seems to me that there's a strong vein
of communist thinking in some of the posts i just read here.
it's not the shroomery's job to engage in price fixing,
and you'd all scream bloody murder if you caught them doing so.
it would be unethical and quite possibly illegal.
so lighten up.


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Re: geokills, typical form [Re: adrug]
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adrug said:
This is like..what...the 30th time the shroomery has supposedly "sold out"? Give it a week, nobody will care.


supposedly sold out? its sold out a long time ago, not that thats a bad thing necessarily, there are people that put alot of time and effort into this site that deserve mroe than a pat on their back and a smile. And you're right, no one really cares.. its just like everything else now, silent apathy is somehow more acceptable than vocal criticism.
welcome to the shroomery, matured.

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Re: geokills, typical form [Re: vivid]
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What are we supposed to be so upset about? The Shroomery has a new sponsor who just happens to charge more than the others. Is that the big deal here? I don't see it as a big deal, I guess...if I'm not smart enough to shop around, that's my problem.

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Re: geokills, typical form [Re: adrug]
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On the one hand, I agree with you.

On the other hand... so when does STP become a sponsor? :wink:


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Edited by srgtm1a (03/15/06 08:16 AM)

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Re: geokills, typical form [Re: srgtm1a]
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srgtm1a said:
Koala Koolio said:
On the other hand... so when does STP become a sponsor? :wink:


Probably pretty soon actually. :smirk: I for one wouldn't be surprised....especially after the things I've heard in the past few days.

 


The Keeper(Shane)...aka STP

He will never become a Shroomery Sponsor...Period!~

He has already tried in the past...and he was turned down.


You guys really need to relax a little.

The drama around here is getting to be like a soap opera...

As the Stomach Turns!~


If you don't like a Vendor's prices...shop around.

I'm sure you wouldn't buy a $30 burger from Joe Blow...

when you can get a $5 burger from Tom, Dick or Harry!~


srgtm1a,

please enlighten all of us on the rumor that you heard.

we need more gossip and drama around here for the Drama Queens!~



tc


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Who the hell you callin crazy?
You wouldn't know what crazy was if Charles Manson was eating froot loops on your front porch!

Brainiac said:
PM the names with on there names, that means they have mushrooms for sale.


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Re: geokills, typical form [Re: Roadkill]
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I'm relaxed, and I don't care about this mycoshack stuff, but I just thought I'd bring up STP, as I know his history and attempts around here. I'm just pointing out the fact that shroomery has a flexable protocol when dealing with prices set by vendors.

"Actually, keeper openly changed all his strain names to made up names, so he can't be a vendor..."

If this were the reason, how do you explain all the sponsors we DO have that sell his renamed strains, simply because it is profitable? There is a whole lot of debate on the subject of "Blue Meanie" cubensis, that a search will provide. I don't blame the shroomery for not kicking people out for this reason. But I really can't respect any vendor who sells things named by the god damn kreeper.


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Re: geokills, typical form [Re: Koala Koolio]
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Koala Koolio said:
I'm relaxed, and I don't care about this mycoshack stuff, but I just thought I'd bring up STP, as I know his history and attempts around here. I'm just pointing out the fact that shroomery has a flexable protocol when dealing with prices set by vendors.




I wasn't refering to you bro with the RELAX part.

it was dirrected at the attitude in general towards the Admin...by others in this thread.

The STP thing was dirrected at you and srgtm1a...that was all.

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To everyone in general...

The Admin can't be held accountable for prices set on Vendors site.
Most of them don't have any idea what a good price base should be...
since the majority of them don't grow mushrooms...or don't any more.
Anno is in Europe...he probably is up on European prices.
Geo does a great job here...but said he isn't up on prices.
Thor hasn't been around much.
Most of the other Admin are tech types.
I could help them with prices in the States...if they wanted.

But do the Admin really have the right to set prices?
Not really...from a business point of view.
I know because I have helped run a business...and I was a purchasing agent at one point.
I always looked for quality and low prices.

A business that has prices are too high...usually goes out of business.
There are exceptions to this...no doubt.
It's also about supply and demand...and ignorance on the customers part.

A good example: Anyone that would pay $60.00 for a spore syringe from STP is ignorant...
they could have searched the web for better prices.
That is why STP is still in business...bottom line.
We can't protect everyone from the Keeper...but we can protect our members.

I really feel that the Admin do have the best interest of the members of this community at heart!~
Or I wouldn't still be here after all these years helping out!~
And I wouldn't be speaking out right now.

I'm getting a little heated and tired of all the attacks against the Admin and Mods lately...
remember we have feelings and we are members too.
We love the Shroomery just as much as you do...some maybe more.

If you can't conduct your business in the Vendor/Sponsor forum...
in a business like manner when posting complaints and such...
its gonna get locked.
It's not a free for all zone!~

If you can't shop around for good prices...even amoungst the Shroomery Vendors.
You have problems that are beyond repair by the Mods and Admin of the Shroomery.

on that note...
I'm walking away from the computer for awhile...
the last 2 days have been a bitch.



tc


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Laterz, Road

Who the hell you callin crazy?
You wouldn't know what crazy was if Charles Manson was eating froot loops on your front porch!

Brainiac said:
PM the names with on there names, that means they have mushrooms for sale.


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