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daimyo
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Re: Do mods get points (demerits)? [Re: shriek]
#5380760 - 03/09/06 10:31 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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blinkidiot said: funny how you keep forcing the issue of bias and rule breaking when the notify moderator button was never clicked. this is just more whining.
Don't feel it's my place. But to bring up the acceptance of blatant violations of rules is.
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Rono said: Unfortunately for you, Mods are only human and as such tend to make mistakes.
Hitting "h" instead of "g" is a mistake. Creating a thread is intentional.
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Rono said: That's why we have checks and balances to try and make everything as fair as possible
I know this. Warnings and bans are checks and balances. When not implemented you end up with an out of control administration(see USA).
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Rono said: Everyone needs to understand that the Shroomery IS NOT a democracy, nor is it our responsibility to bend to every users whims
I think we all understand full well that this is not a democracy. That has no bearing on members bringing up injustices however. If you don't like our complaining, you have three choices. Ignore it, ban dissenters, or change. One and two go to symptom rather than cause.
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shriek said: why do you bother? i mean what in it for you?
Why do you bother waking up, or breathing, or reading, or eating? Just what I do.
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shriek said: why should the mods, the admins and the rest of the board have to listen tp a few of you complain all the time? its annoying,
Nobody is making you read the threads slim. If it's annoying, it's only because you're not big enough to ignore it.
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shriek said: in my opinon you should be banned.
And in my opinion, you should be banned. Maybe we can each make our own boards, join one another's, and ban each other.
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shriek said: and a question for the admins: why do you even allow this to continue?
Because they are decent folk.
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Rono
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Re: Do mods get points (demerits)? [Re: daimyo]
#5380832 - 03/09/06 10:53 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Let me pose this question for you...How much are you paying for monthly fees at the Shroomery? zero...You do not even have a supporter account, yet you feel you are entitled to complain about how it is run.
In effect you are freeloading from the Shroomery and still complaining that it's not meeting your needs...
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Re: Do mods get points (demerits)? [Re: daimyo]
#5380841 - 03/09/06 10:56 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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heh its just sad that you bother, im not even gonna waste my time on you.
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daimyo
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Re: Do mods get points (demerits)? [Re: Rono]
#5380878 - 03/09/06 11:08 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Are you suggesting that donations buy influence? Or that members that do not have supporter accounts are inferior?
Also, there are other ways to generate revenue for the Shroomery, such as the eBay affiliate program, or supporting the sponsors.
You are showing your desperation to justify your position by stooping to such a low attempt at dismissing my argument. For shame Rono, for shame 
Now, we have gone sufficiently OT here. The final answer(IMO) is that yes, it is possible for mods to get points, but their cronyism prevents it most of the time.
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Re: Do mods get points (demerits)? [Re: daimyo]
#5380882 - 03/09/06 11:10 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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"Are you suggesting that donations buy influence? Or that members that do not have supporter accounts are inferior?"
Do you know of somewhere in the world where money doesn't buy influence? Users that aren't supporters are not inferior, but it certainly limits their right to complain.
not desperation at all...just the simple truth.
And FYI...no, mods cannot collect demerits as the ban-o-matic does not apply to us.
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Re: Do mods get points (demerits)? [Re: Rono]
#5381722 - 03/09/06 03:13 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Rono said: Admittedly mods are given more leeway than users
my experience suggests the opposite
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Re: Do mods get points (demerits)? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#5381733 - 03/09/06 03:18 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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yeah...but you've always been 'special'.
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Re: Do mods get points (demerits)? [Re: Rono]
#5381742 - 03/09/06 03:21 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: Do mods get points (demerits)? [Re: daimyo]
#5381861 - 03/09/06 03:52 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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i read this thread from top to bottom, and loved shriek's posts and the reaction to them...... but you were really pissing me off like you were just trying to be a devil's advocate but worse, seeing how much criticism of mods you could get away with.
so i decided to go delete my rating for you ...... but then i went back and scanned the whole thread again from the start, and realised that you just talked yourself into a corner, and became the bad guy by default ..... so i decided not to.
criticism is healthy, and you are usually polite. but it was already conceded that mods make mistakes too : your response - g instead of h is a mistake, a thread is 'intentional' (implying that it therefore cannot be a mistake, or is somehow worse than a mistake). please just drop the anti-authority stance, and either stay to enjoy the site without moaning, or leave to rid yourself of the annoyance you clearly feel at the shroomery staff. they do the job required, like staff in a shop, a bar, or a factory. cut the staff some slack.
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Re: Do mods get points (demerits)? [Re: Rono]
#5382183 - 03/09/06 05:08 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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In effect you are freeloading from the Shroomery and still complaining that it's not meeting your needs...
That is bullshit. This is a site based on information. I have seen him contribute in several forums. He is a source of valuable knowledge, and therefore is not a freeloader.
When's the last time you've contributed anywhere outside of OTD?
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Re: Do mods get points (demerits)? [Re: spud]
#5384508 - 03/10/06 06:18 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I have been following this thread, but didn't want to post until everybody that cared had a say...
The administration takes a hands off approach to forum moderation. We try to leave forum specific issues in the hands of the moderators for the moderators to handle. We do this because the site is too large for us to micromanage and because we trust the team of moderators that we have. Remember, the moderators are all volunteers. None of them get paid for the work they do. Trust me, it is a lot of thankless work. I doubt there is a single moderator that wasn't surprised by the difficult reality of being a moderator versus what they expected when they agreed to the position.
Moderators do get a bit more leeway than regular users in some cases; however, they are always held to higher standards than the regular users. We expect the moderators to lead by example and have little tolerance for "do as I say, not as I do". Closed minded, rigid moderators do not last long at the Shroomery.
The moderators do no have a point system, merits, demerits, etc. The administration keeps a close eye on what is going on. We might miss little things here or there, but in the grand scheme of things, we see the big picture and know when there is a problem. If the problem cannot be resolved, then the moderator is asked to step down, or the moderator leaves on their own. Both cases have happened in the past, and will happen in the future.
It isn't a perfect system, but it works almost all of the time. There have been a few failures that I was disappointed with, but error is part of human nature. If somebody has a problem with a moderator, they need to open a support ticket and let the admin know. We do listen. Even without a point system to keep tally for us, we also remember.
Please try to keep perspective of your issue with the size of the site. Rono upsetting somebody in OTD is much, much lower on my priority list than trying to figure out why the database crashed last night. (Picking on Rono 'cause he is an easy target, and secure in his position, not because I have any complaints against him.)
I personally feel that everybody that participates in this online community contributes to it. I appreciate the help that the supports provide, but I do not give preferential treatment to a supporter over a non-supporter for real problems. Supporters certainly get more attention from me when it comes to non-problem issues.
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Re: Do mods get points (demerits)? [Re: Seuss]
#5384522 - 03/10/06 06:31 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I think that is good enough for a lock.
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