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    #525082 - 01/19/02 12:06 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: Pan Cambodginiensis [Re: ralphster44]
    #525148 - 01/19/02 01:12 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: Pan Cambodginiensis [Re: ralphster44]
    #525174 - 01/19/02 01:37 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Ralphie..... your sales pitch was to heavy for me


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Re: Pan Cambodginiensis [Re: ralphster44]
    #525597 - 01/19/02 03:05 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

That one other vendor would be me :smile:

I have some cool video footage of mjshroomer and friends finding this bad boy in thailand this past summer. I'll post it at some point in time :smile:

A friend that has been growing all the panaeolus strains available,,, pan cyans,(3 different strains) pan trops,  and pan cambos....said the pan cambo's were the most potent of all he has tried.... but the pan cyan (Hawaii) were the easiest to fruit.

Nice job Ralphster....do you buy chance have any pics ??

The ones I were sent were in some native format to HP digital cameras and would not convert for me, but my friend has more growing now and will use an ole trusty 35mm camera to snap some pics for us :smile:

I really need to put some time aside and start growing panaeolus species again....they are truly my favorite for the vibe.



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Re: Pan Cambodginiensis [Re: Ryche Hawk]
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Re: Pan Cambodginiensis [Re: ralphster44]
    #525771 - 01/19/02 08:54 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

You better hurry up and get to Hawaii. It has been raining all the time lately And there are ALOT of the ever so potent panaleous species. There are so many that I dont even know what type of panaleous mushrooms I am picking.


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Re: Pan Cambodginiensis [Re: ralphster44]
    #525840 - 01/19/02 10:25 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Pan. cambodginiensis 1st flush, 1" substrate, 1/8 " casing layer. 4 manure: 1 ryegrass seed: 1 perlite at field capacity.
Uneven substrate layer lead to uneven casing layer, lead to uneven flush. Not the wall to wall flush, but respectable.
Size is shorter then Pan. cyanescens, caps at their largest are 25 mm wide.


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    #525877 - 01/19/02 10:57 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Didn't take a close up. Maybe next time.


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    #526195 - 01/20/02 03:15 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Not bad Teonan,
But from what I understand the pan cambos are suppose to be much browner then pan trops and pan cyans.
My friend who has been growing pans successfully for a very long time said the pan cams were indeed much browner and had a very different look that all the pans he has grown.
The video footage I have they look very different from all the pans I have grown...they are indeed very brownish in color.
The pics in Stamets books,....they are very brown.

Those mushrooms in that pic...(although beautiful....I just love pans :) looks like typical pan cyans to me. They are to white from all the info and pics I have gathered. But I can not speak from first had experience as I have not grown them out yet.

Are you sure those are pan cams....where did you obtain the spores?







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    #526588 - 01/20/02 03:26 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

The Pan Cams do have Golden/Brown caps....I have also noticed that the Pan Cams are little more robust than than Pan trops and Pan Cyans, thicker stems and bigger caps, some of the big Pan Cams in the wild would support a pack of ciggaretes placed on them.


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Re: Pan Cambodginiensis [Re: cxz]
    #526805 - 01/20/02 08:12 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

The mushrooms do actually have thicker stems, and more density to them, but they are shorter mushrooms then both tropicalis and cyanescens. the cap size is larger then tropicalis, but smaller then cyanescens. All texts I have studied state this. Pictures are that, just pictures. Without looking at spore size, I am taken the word of the source for my print, and judging it according to all the other Pans. I have grown.
The two isolates I got from this print, both start out as chocalate brown BUTTONS. After the button stage, they are anything but brown. They actually take on a very golden appearance, which fades out in the between the cap center and the margin. The very center remains golden. The outer edge either gets greyish, or bleaches out with the med. portion of the cap.
I have two very different looking mushrooms growing from ONE print. Constant that has seperated these from the rest I have grown on the identical substarate, in the identical conditions. Darker button. And overall size range.
Call it whatever you like.
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    #526826 - 01/20/02 08:47 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

1 st flush cyanescens(cambodia) same conditions, same substrate!!!


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    #526829 - 01/20/02 08:52 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

4th flush same cyanescens(cambodia) isolate outdoors, in rubbermaid, same substrate


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    #526848 - 01/20/02 09:28 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Notice the size difference. Both cyanescens pictures hold true to the size range of this species. The cambodginiensis are much shorter shrooms, with maximum cap size of 25 mm. The cyanescens reach cap sizes well above that, and heights well above the heights obtained by these "cambodginiensis". Tropicalis get the tallest, but have the smallest cap size.
Without looking at spore size, it will be highly difficult to seperate these three species. All share very similar appearance. I did notice these "cambodginiensis" started off at the button stage, EXTREMELY DARKER BROWN" then the tropicalis, and the cyanescens I have grown.
On agar there are vast differences in appearance between each species, and even within the cyanescens complex, their are vast differences in color and texture of the different geographical spore races. The Hawaiian cyanescens forms little sclerotia on the agar, and is faster growing then the Tai, and the cambodian. The tai actually has a similar growth pattern to the cambodginiensis on agar. Definite zones of fluctuating growth, due to mild temperature changes. It is more rhizomorphic then the cambodian, and hawaiian cyanescens. On AGAR.

Appearance and size are based on substrate composition, and environmental parameters + genetics. Genetics determine the range of possibilities, but are activated by the environmental parameters.
I think as Stametes States, the only way to know for sure is by measuring the spore size. But I think when growing on the same substrate in the same environmental parameters, SIZE RANGE of the mature mushrooms is very telling. I also think that what the Differentiated Button Mushroom looks like, before water expansion, is also very telling.
What does the mushroom look like when it first appears as a mushroom? Tropicalis and cyanescens look very light colored compared to the cambodginiensis. This is the chocalate, that Stametes refers too.
Personally, I don't think there is much difference between all three of these species. I actually prefer the cyanescens. It is the easiest to print, it is the easiest to grow, it is the fastest to pin, and it gets the largest out of the three. All three look very similar to me when grown indoors. Outdoors, they all look different from the indoor grown. They all get larger, consistently.
I don't think I would compare the outdoor cambodginiensis picture in Stametes book, to an indoor cambodginiensis. I have yet to grow a cyanescens that looks like the picture in the book, or a tropicalis for that matter.
Hawk if you got something that LOOKS more like the picture in the book, please let me know for sure, I would love a print of your cambodginiensis also. I also would like one of the cyanescens from Australia!!!
I'll trade anything I got for either of those two. I will trade a print of this "cambodginiensis" for either.


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    #526902 - 01/20/02 11:16 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)


"Uneven substrate layer lead to uneven casing layer, lead to uneven flush. Not the wall to wall flush, but respectable."

I find that using a thick bottom layer of vermiculite adds cushioning underneath and makes it easier to level more granular substrates. Excellent work.


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    #527184 - 01/21/02 10:30 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Teonan,
Your 1 st flush cyanescens(cambodia) picture was awsome.
Beautiful shrooms......great job!!!


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