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Saudi Arabia beheads 3 men for sodomy
    #514197 - 01/08/02 11:23 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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Saudi Arabia beheads 3 men for sodomy

The Associated Press
(Published Tuesday, January, 1, 2002 3:02PM)



RIYADH, Saudi Arabia (AP) - Three men in Saudi Arabia were beheaded Tuesday for committing acts of sodomy and "seducing young men," the Interior Ministry said in a statement.
Ali bin Hatan bin Saad, Muhammad bin Suleiman bin Muhammad and Muhammad bin Khalil bin Abdullah were executed in the southwestern mountain resort city of Abha in Asir province, according to the statement carried by the official Saudi Press Agency.

The three men "committed acts of sodomy, married each other, seduced young men and attacked those who rebuked them," the statement said.

The executions were the first this year in Saudi Arabia, where beheadings are public and done with a sword. Last year, at least 81 people were beheaded.

Saudi Arabia follows a strict interpretation of Islam and also imposes the death penalty for murder, rape, drug trafficking and armed robbery.



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Re: Saudi Arabia beheads 3 men for sodomy [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #514383 - 01/08/02 03:09 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

It's obviously a very different culture over there. The question is, should more liberal countries act to uphold what they see as basic human rights, whether by sanctions/diplomacy/military action etc... or should they respect alternate cultures to the extent that they ignore any human rights abuses and continue to trade with and patronise such nations. The current state of affairs is worse than either of these two options - the west only gets involved when it has an underlying economic or political interest, using human rights abuses as a convenient excuse where possible.


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Re: Saudi Arabia beheads 3 men for sodomy [Re: mm.]
    #514391 - 01/08/02 03:18 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Are you infering that sodomy is a 'human right'. The three beheaded men committed a very serious crime and they were punished appropriatly in accordance with the law.


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Re: Saudi Arabia beheads 3 men for sodomy [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #514406 - 01/08/02 03:32 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

I see consenting heterosexual sex as a human right. I see no reason why consenting homosexual sex should be treated any differently. There may be personal moral or religious reasons why someone would think it is unacceptable, but as the act affects no-one other than the particpants, then that person has no business in trying to impose ther views on other people. If we are talking about rape etc then that is a different matter, because there are victims who need to be protected.


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Re: Saudi Arabia beheads 3 men for sodomy [Re: mm.]
    #514413 - 01/08/02 03:38 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

China shoots drug addicts daily and harvests their organs to sell on the black market; an action Republicans applaud by granting Cina most favored trade status every chance they get.


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Re: Saudi Arabia beheads 3 men for sodomy [Re: mm.]
    #514429 - 01/08/02 03:48 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Sodomy isn't a human right. Normal sex isn't a human right except in marriage. In the US services adultry is a crime and a court marshal offence(and it's between consenting adults). Sodomy should be a formal crime in the USA just like it is in Saudi Arabia. The act of sodomy affects society unlike you claim. Legalized sodomy has societal implications beyond the participants in it. It's victims are the people in nations where it is permitted.


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Re: Saudi Arabia beheads 3 men for sodomy [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #514435 - 01/08/02 03:55 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

should we behead drug users as well?


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Re: Saudi Arabia beheads 3 men for sodomy [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #514437 - 01/08/02 03:55 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Well I dont beleive in marriage so does that mean I do not have the right to have sex? I would say sex Is more important to most people than taking drugs. That makes you worse than those that would put you in jail for taking shrooms etc.. You cannot expect everyone to live their lives according to your religious beliefs. I do not share your view that homosexual sex advesrely affects the rest of society, provided it done by consenting adults in private - certainly it doesnt affect society more than heterosexual sex does.


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Re: Saudi Arabia beheads 3 men for sodomy [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #514441 - 01/08/02 03:59 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

If sodomy and child molestation were punished with death in the US,
we would not have any Catholic priests here..........


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Re: Saudi Arabia beheads 3 men for sodomy [Re: mm.]
    #514447 - 01/08/02 04:06 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Sodomy is wrong. And in Saudi Arabia it's a grave crime. The 3 saudi homos knew what they were doing was a crime and they did it anyway in reckless disregard for their own health and the society in which they lived. And they paid the just consequences of their actions. They got what they knew they deserved.

PGF, we should behead sodomites, not sick people.


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Re: Saudi Arabia beheads 3 men for sodomy [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #514457 - 01/08/02 04:12 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

In reply to:

Sodomy is wrong. And in Saudi Arabia it's a grave crime. The 3 saudi homos knew what they were doing was a crime and they did it anyway in reckless disregard for their own health and the society in which they lived. And they paid the just consequences of their actions. They got what they knew they deserved.




Do you take drugs?


In reply to:

Drug use is wrong. And in America it's a grave crime. The 3 dope feinds knew what they were doing was a crime and they did it anyway in reckless disregard for their own health and the society in which they lived. And they paid the just consequences of their actions. They got what they knew they deserved.





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Re: Saudi Arabia beheads 3 men for sodomy [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #514465 - 01/08/02 04:19 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

"PGF, we should behead sodomites, not sick people. "

At least someone here agrees with me when I say potheads are sick people.


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Re: Saudi Arabia beheads 3 men for sodomy [Re: mm.]
    #514467 - 01/08/02 04:19 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

>>>Do you take drugs?

Nowadays if I get any drugs they come from the pharmacy with a valid prescription.


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Re: Saudi Arabia beheads 3 men for sodomy [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #514473 - 01/08/02 04:24 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Religion is a lie. It only exists to deter depression when thinking about death.

When you die, nothing happens. No heaven, no hell. You are dead.

Live your life the way you want now, or waste it worrying about what some greater power thinks of you. If you don't, you may regret it when you are old. But not when you are dead. Cause you will have no awareness when you are dead.

I usually keep to myself on this because I believe in freedom of religion. Or agnosticism. But you post like yours is law.

Your veiws on sex and religion piss me off. Im not gay.
But if i met you, I would put my dick in your ass.



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Re: Saudi Arabia beheads 3 men for sodomy [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #514480 - 01/08/02 04:31 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

How does consenting sex in private between two people of the same sex adversely affect society to the extent that it warrants capital punishment? Try leaving aside your personal religious views on the matter for moment, which in any case should not affect how society deals with a 'crime'


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Re: Saudi Arabia beheads 3 men for sodomy [Re: Psilocyman]
    #514481 - 01/08/02 04:31 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

In reply to:

Your veiws on sex and religion piss me off. Im not gay.
But if i met you, I would put my dick in your ass.



If you put your penis in peoples butt you are gay. Your whole post is awfully fruity for a meathead like you...


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Re: Saudi Arabia beheads 3 men for sodomy [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #514482 - 01/08/02 04:36 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Notice the word but.
And immediatly after it, "if I met you"


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Re: Saudi Arabia beheads 3 men for sodomy [Re: Psilocyman]
    #514485 - 01/08/02 04:39 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

In reply to:

Notice the word but.
And immediatly after it, "if I met you"



It doesn't matter. If you want to put your penis in someones butt you are gay. You are gay. Accept it, and stay away from Saudi Arabia.


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    #514499 - 01/08/02 04:58 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

From: Journal of Abnormal Psychology, Vol. 105., No. 3 (1996), pp. 440-445.

Although the causes of homophobia are unclear, several psychoanalytic explanations have emerged from the idea of homophobia as an anxiety-based phenomenon. One psychoanalytic explanation is that anxiety about the possibility of being or becoming a homosexual may be a major factor in homophobia. For example, de Kuyper (1993) has asserted that homophobia is the result of the remnants of homosexuality in the heterosexual resolution of the Oedipal conflict. Whereas these notions are vague, psychoanalytic theories usually postulate that homophobia is a result of repressed homosexual urges or a form of latent homosexuality. Latent homosexuality can be defined as homosexual arousal which the individual is either unaware of or dent. Psychoanalysts use the concept of repressed or latent homosexuality to explain the emotional malaise and irrational attitudes displayed by some individuals who feel guilty about their erotic interests and struggle to deny and repress homosexual impulses. In fact, West stated, 'when placed in a situation that threatens to excite their own unwanted homosexual thoughts, they overreact with panic or anger." Slaby ( 1994 ) contended that anxiety about homosexuality typically does not occur in individuals who are same-sex oriented, but it usually involves individuals who are ostensibly heterosexual and have difficulty integrating their homosexual feelings or activity. The relationship between homophobia and latent homosexuality has not been empirically investigated and is one of the purposes of the present study.

Specifically, the present study was designed to investigate whether homophobic men show more sexual arousal to homosexual cues than nonhomophobic men as suggested by psychoanalytic theory. . . .

The results of this study indicate that individuals who score in the homophobic range and admit negative affect toward homosexuality demonstrate significant sexual arousal to male homosexual erotic stimuli. These individuals were selected on the basis of their report of having only heterosexual arousal and experiences. Furthermore, their ratings of erection and arousal to homosexual stimuli were low and not significantly different from nonhomophobic men who demonstrated no significant increase in penile response to homosexual stimuli. These data are consistent with response discordance where verbal judgments are not consistent with physiological reactivity, as in the case of homophobic individuals viewing homosexual stimuli. Lang (1994 ) has noted that the most dramatic response discordance occurs with reports of feeling and physiologic responses. Another possible explanation is found in various psychoanalytic theories, which have generally explained homophobia as a threat to an individual's own homosexual impulses causing repression, denial, or reaction formation (or all three; West, 1977 ). Generally, these varied explanations conceive of homophobia as one type of latent homosexuality where persons either are unaware of or deny their homosexual urges. These data are consistent with these notions


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    #514508 - 01/08/02 05:02 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)


Between 1933 and 1945, according to Nazi documents, approximately 100,000 men were arrested for homosexuality. Roughly half were sentenced to prison and approximately 10,000 to 15,000 were incarcerated in concentration camps. The death rate of homosexual prisoners in the camps is estimated to be as high as sixty percent (amongst the highest of non-Jewish prisoners), so that by 1945 only about 4,000 survived. These are complex individuals- often bitter, but just as often filled with irony and humor; haunted by their memories, but determined to survive. Their collective story fills a crucial gap in the historical record and is a testament to human resilience in the face of unconscionable cruelty.


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