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Grateful Dead Downloads Will Be Restored at Archive.org
    #5003739 - 12/01/05 08:55 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Sorry if this has been posted before... I thought ya'll would like to know.

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Grateful Dead Downloads Will Be Restored at Archive.org 2005-11-30 18:07:56
Complete recordings of Grateful Dead concerts will once again be available at the online Internet Archive (archive.org)?perhaps as early as tonight.

According to Grateful Dead spokesman Dennis McNally, the removal on November 22 of all downloadable Dead recordings from archive.org was the result of ?a great communication snafu.?

?It is my understanding that by the end of the day, the audience tapes will be restored to archive.org,? McNally said by phone. Soundboard recordings will also be available streaming only.

"We at archive.org now realize that our mistaken attempts to move quickly were based on what we thought the Grateful Dead wanted," the site's administrators said in a public statement. "For this we apologize both to the Grateful Dead and their community. There has been a great deal of reaction, our actions have caused more than necessary."

Since 2003, the Internet Archive?s Grateful Dead page allowed fans to upload entire shows, which were then universally available for free download. Well-connected Deadheads have been using the Archive to bolster their collections of live Dead music ever since.

But on November 22, fans were shocked to find that access to the 1,172 recordings of Dead shows (and occasional rarities like rehearsal sessions) that had been previously available had been blocked. That included access to the ?audience tapes??recordings made the old-fashioned way, with two microphones and a tape deck in the special ?taper section? at Dead concerts.

The Grateful Dead have long been known for their policy of allowing fans to record their concerts?even allowing Deadhead tapers to plug directly into the band?s mixing console (resulting in the high-quality ?soundboard? recordings)?then disseminate the recordings freely. The band?s freewheeling taping policy has been widely credited for maintaining the band?s success, even during decades of lukewarm attention from critics and the mainstream commercial music industry.

So, the reaction to the move from Deadheads accustomed to unlimited access in both the virtual and real worlds has ranged from disappointed to furious to?well, grateful that the material had been available online for so long at all.

Online petitions have quickly appeared in the last week, asking the band to reconsider the policy, along with vibrant chatroom discourses at fan sites across the Internet.

Many fans decried the move as a betrayal of the Dead?s core values, some even announcing the end of the Grateful Dead?a band that has continued in spirit, and in modified touring versions, even after the 1995 death of guitarist Jerry Garcia.

After all, it was Garcia who famously said, ?once we?re done with [the music], you can have it.?

Bassist Phil Lesh echoed that sentiment?quoting Garcia in an interview with Charlie Rose on CBS?s 60 Minutes in 2004: ?Jerry put it the best, as he frequently did, ?Let ?em have it. When we play it, we?re done with it.?

But it turns out that the Grateful Dead, whose business model has been shifting in recent years from selling concert tickets to selling concert recordings?and increasingly to selling digital downloads of concert recordings?may not be done with it quite yet. Reporting by Richard B. Simon


Help on the Way: Phil Lesh Weighs in on Archive.org Debate 2005-11-30 11:29:33
After debate began over the removal of Grateful Dead material from popular download portal Live Music Archive (a section of Archive.org), Phil Lesh has issued a public statement on the controversy. "I was not part of this decision-making process and was not notified that the shows were to be pulled," says Lesh. "I do feel that the music is the Grateful Dead's legacy and I hope that one way or another all of it is available for those who want it." Lesh said he relied on the Live Music Archive's extensive collection of Grateful Dead material as source material for his recent autobiography, Searching for the Sound.

At its peak, the Live Music Archive hosted approximately 4,800 Grateful Dead recordings, including both audience and soundboard-quality copies of certain performances. While all soundboard have been pulled from the archive, and preserved in a non-public portion of the site, fans can still stream audience recordings. Before reuniting as the Other Ones and the Dead in 2002, the surviving members of the Grateful Dead butted heads over the digitization of the band's vault. In general, Lesh seemed to be of the mindset that the group's music should remain free and in the hands of its fans, while his bandmates believed the best way to spread the group's music is through the internet's web of live digital music providers. In the past, whenever the Grateful Dead officially issued a live set, that performance was removed from the Live Music Archive. Several other bands, including Phish, have also blocked Arhcive.org from hosting their music on the Live Music Archive. At press time, a Jack Johnson performance from 2002 ranks as the site's most-viewed show.

"We are musicians not businessmen and have made good and bad decisions on our journey," Lesh continues. "We do love and care about our community as you helped us make the music. We could not have made this kind of music without you as you allowed us to play 'without a net.' Your love, trust and patience made it possible for us to try again the next show when we couldn't get that magic carpet off the ground. Your concerns have been heard and I am sure are being respectfully addressed."


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Re: Grateful Dead Downloads Will Be Restored at Archive.org [Re: Noviseer]
    #5003776 - 12/01/05 09:02 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

The Hippies said:
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We don't buy stuff because we're poor.




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Re: Grateful Dead Downloads Will Be Restored at Archive.org [Re: Noviseer]
    #5003782 - 12/01/05 09:02 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

:headbanger:

Awesome to hear for all the GD fans!


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Re: Grateful Dead Downloads Will Be Restored at Archive.org [Re: Noviseer]
    #5003805 - 12/01/05 09:08 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Just to clarify: The soundboards will be available for streaming only. Audience recordings are available for download.


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Re: Grateful Dead Downloads Will Be Restored at Archive.org [Re: adrug]
    #5003828 - 12/01/05 09:12 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Cool news i expected as much, the soundboards is fine with me, if you want that quality i am sure you have the option to pay for it.


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Re: Grateful Dead Downloads Will Be Restored at Archive.org [Re: Ramlaen]
    #5004012 - 12/01/05 09:47 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Yeeeehaaww!


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Re: Grateful Dead Downloads Will Be Restored at Archive.org [Re: browndustin]
    #5007417 - 12/02/05 06:31 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

gdlive.com has a number of soundboards.


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Re: Grateful Dead Downloads Will Be Restored at Archive.org [Re: Noviseer]
    #5007536 - 12/02/05 06:58 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Related thread at Archive.org: [clicky]
Related post by Phil Lesh (bassist) on his website: [clicky]
An Announcement from Phil Lesh:

It was brought to my attention that all of the Grateful Dead shows were taken down from Archive.org right before Thanksgiving. I was not part of this decision making process and was not notified that the shows were to be pulled. I do feel that the music is the Grateful Dead's legacy and I hope that one way or another all of it is available for those who want it . I have enjoyed using Archive.org and found it invaluable during the writing of my book. I found myself being pulled back in time listening to old Grateful Dead shows while giggling with glee or feeling that ache in my heart listening to Jerry's poetic guitar and sweet voice.

We are musicians not businessmen and have made good and bad decisions on our journey. We do love and care about our community as you helped us make the music. We could not have made this kind of music without you as you allowed us to play "without a net". Your love, trust and patience made it possible for us to try again the next show when we couldn't get that magic carpet off the ground. Your concerns have been heard and I am sure are being respectfully addressed.
- Phil


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