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OfflineUnagipie
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Looking back on Oklahoma
    #4547754 - 08/17/05 07:41 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Found this posted at a politics forum and thought it was interesting in light of the new world we live in.

A letter from Timothy James McVeigh, the Oklahoma City Bomber

Letter of Timothy McVeigh


The Clinton administration said that Iraq has no right to stockpile chemical or biological weapons ("weapons of mass destruction") -- mainly because they have used them in the past.

Well, if that's the standard by which these matters are decided, then the U.S is the nation that set the precedent. The U.S. has stockpiled these same weapons (and more) for over 40 years. The U.S. claims that this was done for deterrent purposes during the "Cold War" with the Soviet Union. Why, then is it invalid for Iraq to claim the same reason (deterrence) -- with respect to Iraq's (real) war with, and the continued threat of, its neighbor Iran?

The administration claims that Iraq has used these weapons in the past. We've all seen the pictures that show a Kurdish woman and child frozen in death from the use of chemical weapons. But, have you ever seen these pictures juxtaposed next to pictures from Hiroshima or Nagasaki?

I suggest that one study the histories of World War I, World War II and other "regional conflicts" that the U.S. has been involved in to familiarize themselves with the use of "weapons of mass destruction."

Remember Dresden? How about Hanoi? Tripoli? Baghdad? What about the big ones-- Hiroshima and Nagasaki? (At these two locations, the U.S. killed at least 150,000 non-combatants -- mostly women and children -- in the blink of an eye. Thousands more took hours, days, weeks, or months to die.)

If Saddam is such a demon, and people are calling for war crimes charges and trials against him and his nation, why do we not hear the same cry for blood directed at those responsible for even greater amounts of "mass destruction" -- like those responsible and involved in dropping bombs on the cities mentioned above?

The truth is, the U.S. has set the standard when it comes to the stockpiling and use of weapons of mass destruction.

Hypocrisy when it comes to death of children? In Oklahoma City, it was family convenience that explained the presence of a day-care centre placed between street level and the law enforcement agencies which occupied the upper floors of the building. Yet when discussion shifts to Iraq, any day-care centre in a government building instantly becomes "a shield." Think about that.

(Actually, there is a difference here. The administration has admitted to knowledge of the presence of children in or near Iraqi government buildings, yet they still proceed with their plans to bomb -- saying that they cannot be held responsible if children die. There is no such proof, however, that knowledge of the presence of children existed in relation to the Oklahoma City bombing.)

When considering morality and men's real [criminal intent] in light of these facts, I ask: Who are the true barbarians?

Yet another example of this nation's blatant hypocrisy is revealed by the polls which suggest that this nation is greatly in favor of bombing Iraq.

In this instance, the people of the nation approve of bombing government employees because they are "guilty by association" -- they are Iraqi government employees. In regard to the bombing in Oklahoma City, however, such logic is condemned.

What motivates these seemingly contradictory positions? Do people think that government workers in Iraq are any less human than those in Oklahoma City? Do they think that Iraqis don't have families who will grieve and mourn the loss of their loved ones? In this context, do people come to believe that the killing of foreigners is somehow different than the killing of Americans?

I recently read of an arrest in New York City where possession of a mere pipe bomb was charged as possession of a "weapon of mass destruction." If a two pound pipe bomb is a "weapon of mass destruction," then what do people think that a 2,000-pound steel-encased bomb is?

I find it ironic, to say the least, that one of the aircraft that could be used to drop such a bomb on Iraq is dubbed "The Spirit of Oklahoma."

When a U.S. plane or cruise missile is used to bring destruction to a foreign people, this nation rewards the bombers with applause and praise. What a convenient way to absolve these killers of any responsibility for the destruction they leave in their wake.

Unfortunately, the morality of killing is not so superficial. The truth is, the use of a truck, a plane, or a missile for the delivery of a weapon of mass destruction does not alter the nature of the act itself.

These are weapons of mass destruction -- and the method of delivery matters little to those on the receiving end of such weapons.

Whether you wish to admit it or not, when you approve, morally, of the bombing of foreign targets by the U.S. military, you are approving of acts morally equivalent to the bombing in Oklahoma City. The only difference is that this nation is not going to see any foreign casualties appear on the cover of Newsweek magazine.

It seems ironic and hypocritical that an act viciously condemned in Oklahoma City is now a "justified" response to a problem in a foreign land. Then again, the history of United States policy over the last century, when examined fully, tends to exemplify hypocrisy.

When considering the use of weapons of mass destruction against Iraq as a means to an end, it would be wise to reflect on the words of the late U.S. Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis. His words are as true in the context of Olmstead as they are when they stand alone: "Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example."

Sincerely,
Timothy J. McVeigh


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Re: Looking back on Oklahoma [Re: Unagipie]
    #4551090 - 08/18/05 12:12 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Too bad he doesn't name the agent that was in the truck with him.


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Re: Looking back on Oklahoma [Re: afoaf]
    #4551154 - 08/18/05 12:42 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

That was a good read.

What are you talking about afoaf?

I've heard some weird stories concerning the Oklahoma bombing, a guy once told me that it was actually the government practicing terrorist attacks on its own land or some crazy shit like that...

anyone care to fill me in?


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Re: Looking back on Oklahoma [Re: exclusive58]
    #4551435 - 08/18/05 01:55 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)



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Re: Looking back on Oklahoma [Re: usefulidiot]
    #4556145 - 08/19/05 07:06 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

so basically McVeigh's truck couldn't have blown the entire building by itself and there had to be predisposed bombs all over the building's underground for the blast to be so violent, but the FBI isn't interested in investigating any of this and they're even telling witnesses not to talk to the media about anything that could lead people to think that someone else was involved in the bombing.

i knew there was some strange shit going on with this too...

thanx for the link.


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Re: Looking back on Oklahoma [Re: exclusive58]
    #4556245 - 08/19/05 07:40 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Makes sense. How can some white supremacists' homemade bomb take out half a building and 168 people? Iraq hasn't even seen an insurgent bomb that powerful


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Re: Looking back on Oklahoma [Re: Unagipie]
    #4556501 - 08/19/05 09:06 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

for real you'd think these "terrorists" would be able to make better truck bombs than McVeigh too, on account of having easier access to materials.

the UN building was blown up though.


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Re: Looking back on Oklahoma [Re: leery11]
    #4557546 - 08/20/05 03:00 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Actually, I read about a possible connection between McVeigh and Al Qaeda, either to Ramzi Yousef or Jose Padilla


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