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OfflineOldWoodSpecter
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clockwork orange
    #4200804 - 05/20/05 07:32 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

anyone seen this film?
I've just finished watching it on TV. I think it is a great movie.
One of rare movies that Is actually netural on the question of violence and justice. Not in the sence that it does not care about concepts of right and wrong, but in the sence that it shows people's sence of right and wrong as is actually is: driven by emotion, subjective, unprecise, relative etc. etc.

One of the greatest arguments for the point the film is trying to make is the feelings of audience and how they get manipulated from one side to the other over and over again. The sense of right and wrong, the one that people so blindly trust, is manipulated in the lenght of one movie just as Kubrick wanted.
What better way to prove a point than to demonstrate it on the listener

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Re: clockwork orange [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4200818 - 05/20/05 07:36 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

clockwork orange is a bad movie. i mean, it was well made, and it's visually impressive, but it will only cause you to think bad thoughts. there is an interesting commentary on social conditioning and it's limits but overall it's for people who are addicted to shock and desensitization and people who enjoy watching violence and rape. if you enjoy watching clockwork orange you are a bad person.


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Re: clockwork orange [Re: question_for_joo]
    #4200861 - 05/20/05 07:49 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

if you enjoy watching clockwork orange you are a bad person.
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That's a pretty subjective evaluation of a bad person. Not every one has the same reasons for liking a movie. :mushroom2:


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Re: clockwork orange [Re: question_for_joo]
    #4200890 - 05/20/05 08:01 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

the great thing about is that I got pissed off because of the rapes and violence, and later felt sorry for the guy, and in the end I just wasn't sure what to feel

and this is the best message: either everyone is evil or everyone is good at the same time depending on wheather the cup is half empty or half full, there are no evil or good persons, we are all pretty much relative, and equaly evil as well as good


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Re: clockwork orange [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4200904 - 05/20/05 08:05 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

The nature of the Universe; everything is contained within. :mushroom2:


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Re: clockwork orange [Re: Icelander]
    #4201214 - 05/20/05 09:40 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

A movie with ole Ludwig's music playing nearly all the time... how could anyone not love it?


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Re: clockwork orange [Re: question_for_joo]
    #4201276 - 05/20/05 09:57 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

if you enjoy watching clockwork orange you are a bad person.




:whack:

I enjoyed that movie immensely. Why do you try to label people with such dualistic notions as good and bad? Maybe you're the bad person for targetting those who like a movie as bad rather than doing anything about rape and violence.

Desensitization? I don't really think we're desensitized to anything, we just grow to understand it more.


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Re: clockwork orange [Re: Ravus]
    #4201314 - 05/20/05 10:11 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

You guys need to quit watching so much TV and read the book...it is much more thoughtful.


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Re: clockwork orange [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #4202525 - 05/21/05 06:42 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

If you dont like clockwork orange, youre a bad person.


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Re: clockwork orange [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #4203020 - 05/21/05 12:53 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Huehuecoyotl said:
You guys need to quit watching so much TV and read the book...it is much more thoughtful.




yea, but what drew me to this film in the first place is not the story, only after watching it I've seen how meaningfull it is actually

but the initial attraction to me was directing and cinematography. It is a true work of art, so surreal and so Kubrick


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Re: clockwork orange [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4203035 - 05/21/05 12:58 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

o yes me droogies, it is a real horrorshow flick, filled with song, dance, sex, drugs, & a more than a bit of the old ultra-vioence...


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(can i assume that if i like dr strangelove (a kubrick comedy about WW III) that i am a bad person as well?
after all, this movie kills off more than 5 billion people...)

heh... me verrry baaad person, mmmkay?


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Re: clockwork orange [Re: plexus]
    #4203790 - 05/21/05 04:51 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I agree, the book is, like always, better than the movie. Some of Anthony Burgess' other writings are classics also, like "The Wanting Seed".


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Re: clockwork orange [Re: Ravus]
    #4203847 - 05/21/05 05:04 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

a movie is an artform in itself, and you can hardly compare movies and books, it's like trying to compare a photoraph of a flower and a painting of the smae flower. Both are judged by compleatly different criteria


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Re: clockwork orange [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4203854 - 05/21/05 05:07 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

often the films are actually better than the books, in a sense, like in the case of *a clockwork orange*. the book could never be properly translated into any other language because of its style, thusly, Kubrick popularized and globalized the ideas expressed in the book, making them more profound and relevant.


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Re: clockwork orange [Re: Doom]
    #4203863 - 05/21/05 05:10 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I'm going to use the same thing from the previous post..

neither the book is better or film..
book is a book and you can judge it as a book, and film is a film and you can only compare it to other films.

How do you compare the editing from the film or cinematography to
the style of descriptions in a book?
Apples and oranges


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Re: clockwork orange [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4203867 - 05/21/05 05:11 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

is there an echo in here?

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Re: clockwork orange [Re: Doom]
    #4203874 - 05/21/05 05:14 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

are you suggesting that you were saying the same thing?

I don't see how I could interpret your words to make them mean the same thing I wanted to say


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Re: clockwork orange [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4204215 - 05/21/05 06:54 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Favorite movie of all time.

"It had been a wonderful evening and what I needed now, to give it the perfect ending, was a little of the Ludwig Von."

"Oh bliss! Bliss and heaven! Oh, it was gorgeousness and gorgeousity made flesh. It was like a bird of rarest-spun heaven metal or like silvery wine flowing in a spaceship, gravity all nonsense now. As I slooshied, I knew such lovely pictures!"


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Re: clockwork orange [Re: Adamist]
    #4204222 - 05/21/05 06:57 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

"What you got back home, little sister, to play your fuzzy warbles on?
I bet you got, say, pitiful, portable picnic players.
Come with uncle and hear all proper!
Hear angels' trumpets and devils' trombones.
You are invited!"

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was that I'd like to have her right down there on the floor
with the old in-out, real savage..."

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Re: clockwork orange [Re: Adamist]
    #4204282 - 05/21/05 07:21 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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Adamist said:
Favorite movie of all time.

"It had been a wonderful evening and what I needed now, to give it the perfect ending, was a little of the Ludwig Von."

"Oh bliss! Bliss and heaven! Oh, it was gorgeousness and gorgeousity made flesh. It was like a bird of rarest-spun heaven metal or like silvery wine flowing in a spaceship, gravity all nonsense now. As I slooshied, I knew such lovely pictures!"




yea love listening to the naration, great words and a great narator the guy is


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