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Offlinewjames
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Philosopher stones strength wet/dry
    #4131602 - 05/04/05 09:54 AM (12 years, 26 days ago)

Two questions:

1. What is the equivalency ratio between philosopher stones (wet) and cubensis (wet). I've heard some say that, for example:
10 g stones (wet) compares to 20 g cubensis (wet).
Is that correct?

2. What is the ratio between philosopher stones (dry) and cubensis (wet)? Alternatively, how many grams of stones (dry) are produced by, say 10 grams of stones (wet)? And how much active chemical is lost (5%?) by drying.


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Re: Philosopher stones strength wet/dry [Re: wjames]
    #4133531 - 05/04/05 06:07 PM (12 years, 26 days ago)

http://www.shroomery.org/index/par/23365#potency

I think the potency of truffles is largely underrated, but that's just my opinion.


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Re: Philosopher stones strength wet/dry [Re: Hillbillie]
    #4134501 - 05/04/05 10:04 PM (12 years, 26 days ago)

I would say go for a 15 gram wet dose of the stones. I would say that could be anywhere from 2 to 3.5 dried grams of cubensis, or so. It is hard to tell when different types of mushrooms are involved. I really enjoyed the tampanesis stones that I had, they were really fun and provided an amazing nature experience. You would not wanna dry those philsopher's stones, they would be so nasty, I don't think one could eat them. As it is they taste like bad nuts if you ask me and they keep for quite awhile fresh. Are they tampanesis or mexicana?


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Re: Philosopher stones strength wet/dry [Re: mecreateme]
    #4134850 - 05/04/05 11:07 PM (12 years, 26 days ago)

I've eaten them cracker dry before, and it's not advisable. :smirk: The taste isn't as bad as you'd think, although it's pretty bad... but it's the rubberyness of them that's horrible; you end up chewing and chewing, meanwhile having to endure the taste. It wouldn't have been possible without some OJ.


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Re: Philosopher stones strength wet/dry [Re: Hillbillie]
    #4134971 - 05/04/05 11:35 PM (12 years, 26 days ago)

i'm kinda lost in this thread. i was under the impression that Philosopher stones where nothing more than an MAOI that is used in conjuction with psilocybes to increase the intesity of the experience.


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Re: Philosopher stones strength wet/dry [Re: Dimmy]
    #4135254 - 05/05/05 12:22 AM (12 years, 26 days ago)

I couldnt imagine trying to chew up a p. mexicana truffle that had been dried. that would probably break my teeth!

I ground some up in a smoothie one time, and left it sit for a bit. well, the pieces were still kind of big, and frozen. That HURT. i thought I cracked a tooth


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Re: Philosopher stones strength wet/dry [Re: Dimmy]
    #4135673 - 05/05/05 01:40 AM (12 years, 25 days ago)

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i'm kinda lost in this thread. i was under the impression that Philosopher stones where nothing more than an MAOI that is used in conjuction with psilocybes to increase the intesity of the experience.




Nah, "Philosopher Stones" is simply the sclerotia (masses of hardened gnarly mycelium) of P. tampanensis or P. mexicana, more often associated with the former but it seems the sclerotia of both is known under the moniker.


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Re: Philosopher stones strength wet/dry [Re: wjames]
    #4136221 - 05/05/05 04:41 AM (12 years, 25 days ago)

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showfla...7a95199f2042604

This question gets asked a lot and it is good to know the answer.

How potent is sclerotia when compared with cubensis?

It depends.

Fresh sclerotia is 2x as potent as fresh cubensis... gram for gram.

Dry sclerotia is 2/3 as potent as dry cubensis gram for gram.

"WTF?", you ask.

No, mexicana doesn't lose a HUGE amount of potency when it is dried.

When fresh, Mexicana sclerotia is 30% dry matter and only 70% water. Compare this to a fresh cube which is 90% water and only 10% dry matter. When you eat fresh sclerotia... for every bite you take, you are eating 3X as much fungus per bite than you do when you chew on a fresh cube.

Once dried, the potency comparison changes completely. Without the water, a dry gram of sclerotia is 100% dry matter and a gram of cubensis is 100% dry matter too. Duh! So a dry gram of sclerotia contains the same amount of dry matter as a dry gram of cubensis. Simple.

Dry sclerotia is only 2/3 as potent as dry cubensis.

That is how it is.

What follows is some simple math. Perhaps this will make more sense to some people.

If cubensis potency = 1

Then, sclerotia potency = 2/3 = .66666666666

If fresh sclerotia contains 3X as much dry matter per gram as fresh cubensis,

Then, fresh sclerotia = .66666666666 X 3 = 2

Fresh sclerotis is 2X as potent as cubensis.

Phwew, the math part's done.

Any questions, comments, better ways of explaining this potency issue?

It is important you understand before you eat any.

:wexican:As for mexicana shrooms, I hear they are very potent... almost as potent as pan cyans! I haven't eaten mexicana shrooms. I am just relaying what I have heard.

:wexican:I figure this is also, a good time to talk about the effects of eating sclerotia. They work. They are very similar to cubensis but also completely different. They are obviously from the same family of shrooms. The Philosopher stones are not the most visual thing I have tried but they are potent and they last a long time (I suspect this is because it takes a while longer to digest sclerotia than it takes to digest cubensis matter). The visuals are similar to cubes but you see things painted with broader strokes. I have seen big wipes of color and skin begins to look like clay. When I see patterns, they are less detailed than cubensis patterns tend to be. Outdoors, sclerotia visuals come to life. Nature is great with any shroom but sclerotia seems very nice. That, and it is easier to hold a coherant conversation with sclerotia. Perhaps this is why they are nicknamed philosopher's stones.

I really like a sclerotia trip... but I still hold a place in my heart for cubensis.

Sclerotia is great for hiking or park day... and it is very discrete. It looks nothing like a mushroom.

Dry sclerotia can be ground in a coffee grinder but it should not be injested whole. You simply will not digest it. Either rehydrate the stones by dunking them in water for 24 hours or grind them up in the coffee grinder.

Ground sclerotia goes great in chocolate I hear.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat...3453.</a>

I know it makes wonderful tea. Try mint tea with sclerotia.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat...&PHPSESSID=


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