gettinjiggywithit said:

If the Big Bang theory becomes proved, it will need to show, and be able to repeat where the elements that make up this physical universe came from before the Big Bang.
Do evolutionists ever wonder or question, where all of these elements that the evolution of the physical universe sprang from? What answers to you come up with, I want to know and consider them.

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Looking at evolution itself, how many of you question why the need for sleep evolved in human beings. What answer did you get?

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Have you questioned what purpose there was for us to dream when we sleep? Why did evolution develop this ability?

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Have you questioned why evolution gave us the ability to daydream, imagine and fantasize pictorials and ideas? How did evolution do this and why did it do this? What was its purpose for insuring our survival?

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Have you considered that if it were not for the evolution of our emotional body, babies would probably not be cared for nor would we care for each other and we probably never would've survived as a race of beings for this long. If evolution gave us the ability to feel for each other to help insure our survival, why do some evolutionist who are also mentally and logically oriented prone to play down the importance of our emotional beingness and emotions?

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Dark_Star said:

I've never understood how some Christians are against evolution......if God created everything, then why is it so hard to believe that evolution is what God intended?

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I wonder to why they don't consider that evolution itself could be a creation from a source of intelligence beyond out understanding.

Actually, I don't much anymore. NBC did a Special last week on Evangelistic churches creating them parks to convert children. NBC ran a random poll and found that 44% of the participants believed that God created the earth in 6 days.

That takes some crazy ass faith to believe that one man, wow!

derx said:

i think you need to go back to clown school.  you're not going to get answers to the shit you're asking.

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I thought I'd ask anyway just to make sure no one is 100% sure because they know somwthing I don't. I concede my questions.

if at the end of evolution, everything makes sense and has a purpose then there is a purpose that makes sense to why we need to sleep to survive. That means, it is not an accident but DOES have a purpose after all, after all-at the end. So for those who think it was just an accident, is it really? According to you Wood, it does have a purpose and we don't know it yet. So how can people who are sure of accidents being random evidents be so sure of that if purpose comes into play later?

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There are people who believe in accidents. All accidents have a sequential cause.

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Oldwood, I thought you were a creative evolutionists by all I have read from you. Why are you answering questions here?

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gettinjiggywithit said:

Why feel 100% sure of evolution without creation when it sits on a theory of the Big Bang?

If you think the Big bang will be proven soon to support evolution, where the heck did the elements that make up this physical Universe come from. Whats the source of the big bang?

Why did evolution build in a need to sleep and dream while asleep?

Why did evolution work in our ability to day dream, imagine and fantasize while we are awake?

Are these all useless side effects that should be suppressed?

If evolution built in our emotional body and ability to feel for others with a purpose for insuring survival of our species, if you think emotions are useless and override them with intellect, why? Might it be a lethal move for our species?

I appreciate any and all answers any of you have come up with that DO NOT  encompass, a creative source element behind evolution. Mind you I am not talking about "a God that made the earth is 6 days" stuff. I absolutely chucked that out the window before I hit age 12.

I want to know how others have reasoned creation out of evolution and why both can't be at play. There is a lot I can't make sense of without some creative intelligence at play.

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I don't think evolution can be said to rest on the big bang alone.  The big bang was the alledged start of the universe and evolution on planet Earth is a very seperate idea.

What mother nature has intended for us is something we are barely even making theories on!  These are some big questions here!

My reasoning for creation is really that we simply don't know!  I think the unknown is something we must accept.  But if I was to speculate then I would stick with the science view.  On Earth we are subject to mutation which over millions of years has allowed us to evolve into the thinking creatures we are.  I don't believe in God as God is a manmade concept, a product of evolution if you like! All known cultures from mankind have had Gods!  The Egyptian Gods were excellent!

gettinjiggywithit said:

I personally buy into the big bang stuff myself as it makes the most sense as of yet to me. I want to know where the stuff that caused it came from. Plank, Black radiation Oh Yea! Fun stuff! It's all interesting. Where did the stuff on the plank scale come from? Where did the black radiation come from.

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This all originated from the existence of blackbodies. We define a blackbody as one that absorbs energy and then radiates some of it out. It's called a blackbody because it absorbs wavelengths rather than, persay, a shiny object which reflects most of the light and absorbs some of it. A blackbody absorbs most of it, and a perfect blackbody absorbs ALL light and energy.

So the question was, at which wavelengths was the energy density for the blackbody the highest? That is where the Energy Density u(lambda) vs. lambda (see the graph near the bottom of this post) came from, and that is the curve you might be most familiar with. It was a mystery at first, and Rayleigh-Jeans did predict the curve at large wavelengths, but ended up with a term we call the ultraviolet catastrophe since his equation blew up to infinity as lambda (wavelength) approached zero. What Planck did, in his infamous equation, was make an equation that best fit the curve...

Oh, I should add that the curve was plotted FIRST, at high temperature blackbodies absorb lots of energy and light (say T = 1000?C) and as you may be familiar with, such blackbodies glow (like heating and iron up until its "red hot"). In particular, experiements were conducted by shooting light of different wavelengths at a blackbody and measuring the respective energy that was radiated. Planck made a plot that best fit this curve, and so it has become known as Planck's Law.

Now what does this all mean? Well, we can use Planck's Law in everyday life. You may have asked yourself, why does the sun appear yellow? Well, if you look at the curve of the plot of energy density vs. wavelength, as shown below



you see that at the peak, the highest energy is emitted. Conviniently, this plot also shows the visible spectrum (lambda = 400-700nm) and yellow is right dab at the tip of the curve for the temperature of the sun, which is approximately 5800K (5800 degrees Kelvin). As a result, at this wavelength (yellow) the most energy is emitted and that is why the sun is yellow. Similarly (say at T = 5000K, as shown in the graph), that "blackbody" would appear reddish since it's peak resides right at the red wavelength.

This relation to the Big Bang was explained in my previous post. I'm a bit fatigued right now so I'll explain it in depth later if you are interested.

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Does anyone question how stable the idea of evolution without creation is when it sits on a "theory"?

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If evolution built in our emotional body and ability to feel for others with a purpose for insuring survival of our species, if you think emotions are useless and override them with intellect, why? Might it be a lethal move for our species?

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