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Tripper Island
    #3703760 - 01/30/05 08:52 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

What would be the result of an Island where different people of different ages/sexes/backgrounds are exposed to a variety of natural "hallucinogens" and then the results are recorded. I think it strange that just as new and very intereesting research is being done on psilo. and DMT. the research is cut off altogether. This is not like the marijuana debate. Their is no other reason why the goverement would try to hide this from us "especially since their is no harm done to the body". What is the true motivation for this. I'm sure their are people who have money who would invest in a PRIVATE investigation. Only after the results are tabulated would they be released. Comments...ideas?


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Re: Tripper Island [Re: trippingchef]
    #3703775 - 01/30/05 08:54 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

We would show what the shamans have known inside for thousands of years. We will show the world that gateways do not have to be something in this world alone. We can use the gifts given to us.


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Re: Tripper Island [Re: trippingchef]
    #3703796 - 01/30/05 08:58 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

take me down to the paradise city
where the grass is green and the girls are pretty


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Re: Tripper Island [Re: fresh313]
    #3703838 - 01/30/05 09:07 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Oh won't you please take me home!?


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Re: Tripper Island [Re: trippingchef]
    #3703866 - 01/30/05 09:12 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

That'd be beautiful, dude. Or start a tripping monastery in the Netherlands, where the "monks" there grow marijuana, mushrooms, psychoactive cacti and other enlightening substances in exchange for room, board and free experimentation with these wonderful organisms. They'd experiment with methods of growing marijuana and mushrooms, making hash oil, etc., and after work they could trip and relax with a bowl while writing and discussing life.

Not to mention a monastery of this sort could make loads of money if they made enough products.


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Re: Tripper Island [Re: trippingchef]
    #3703895 - 01/30/05 09:18 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Tripper Island, :lol: sounds like the next big reality T.V. show. Oh, and the monastery idea kicks ass too, Ravus. I definately wouldn't think you'd have any shortage of stoners, err, I mean monks :smile:


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Re: Tripper Island [Re: 13eetleJuice]
    #3704451 - 01/30/05 11:18 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Monasteries only work when the monks take a vow of celibacy, poverty, and obedience. Some also require a vow of stability. Without these stabilizing factors you end up with a free love hippie commune that can't pay it's bills. I still think it's a good idea, but I don't think your average stoner is called to the monastic life.


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Re: Tripper Island [Re: shroomydan]
    #3704686 - 01/30/05 11:55 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

I can see the vows of poverty and of obedience (but to whom/what?). But, help me realize how celebacy pays the bills? And what does a vow of stability entail? Thanks.


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Re: Tripper Island [Re: shroomydan]
    #3704742 - 01/31/05 12:03 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

You're thinking of a typical monastery though. Indeed, if you can't bend people to fit the monastery, bend the monastery to fit the people. It would be more like a commune monastery combination from the one I'm thinking of, where everyone works together to grow bud and mushrooms, lives in one large building or set of buildings in an area, and is full of libraries and other sources of information. There would also be stores set up selling the monastery's products.

This wouldn't work with many products, but seeing how profitable large areas of awesome marijuana and mushrooms can be, you could definitely get quite a profit from selling drugs. The monks wouldn't necessarily need celibacy, just a will to join with others, live without excess and luxuries and to learn and trip with others working with him.

It wouldn't necessarily be limited to mushrooms and bud though, perhaps new research chemicals could be produced by those who know chemistry, and it could be a center for learning on all psychoactive issues.


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Re: Tripper Island [Re: Ravus]
    #3704768 - 01/31/05 12:09 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Well, it's all settled then. All we need to do now is buy an island, build a monestary to house upwards of 100 individuals, find a few top notch chemists, a couple large scale bud farmers, some folks experienced in bulk grow mush cultivation, and the most interesting and diverse stoners from around the globe. When do we start?


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Re: Tripper Island [Re: 13eetleJuice]
    #3704831 - 01/31/05 12:21 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

The vows are made to the leader of the monastery, the abbot. Monks promise to obey him and give him any money they earn, and he promises to provide for the needs of the monks in the community. A vow of stability is a promise never to leave the community until death.

Monastic life doesn't work with families because of freedom and conflict of interest issues. Children are not free to make the vows because they owe obedience to there parents, they are also expensive. Similarly, married people take vows to one another which would be in conflict with vows taken to the abbot. In the past people have tried to solve this problem by dissolving the family, and espousing free love, and communal parenting of children. These experiments have always failed because people are inclined by nature to love there own children more than somebodyelse's. There is also the jealousy issue which tends to tear the community apart.

As I stated earlier, I think the monastery idea is good,(I even thought of starting my own psychedelic monastery a few years ago) but the only way monasticism has ever survived in the past is when the rule includes poverty, celibacy, and obedience.


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Re: Tripper Island [Re: 13eetleJuice]
    #3704832 - 01/31/05 12:21 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

I am glad to see such enthusiasm towrds the idea but I think the main objective is being lost with the idea of the "profit" and "drugy" aspects. The main point of this experiment is not to see how high or how much money people can make from drugs. The idea is to continue the scienitific research and spiritual research into ethnobotanicals that the goverment is affraid to allow us to continue. This cause is above any one scientific approach or any one religious belief. We will research scientifically the way that these tools alow us to access the other dimensions (spirit reamls) and any kind of physiologicall changes they may eventually lead to. We will reveal what the goverments do not want us to know about our selves and our own selves. This will not be a show or a stoner retreat. It will be a place of pure discovery: a place where science and the spiritual creaure in us all will meet.


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Re: Tripper Island [Re: trippingchef]
    #3704841 - 01/31/05 12:23 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

I'm with you man! Who's got the island?


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Re: Tripper Island [Re: trippingchef]
    #3704845 - 01/31/05 12:26 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

The "bud growers" and the "shroom growers" will still be necesary but not in a commerical sense. It will not only be Marijuana and Mushrooms but all documented ethnobotanicalls.


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Re: Tripper Island [Re: trippingchef]
    #3704855 - 01/31/05 12:28 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

The island as well as the buildings and all other financial aspects are privatly funded (and the results will be the same) so that the scientists as well as the volentiers do not have to worry about the financial aspects of the experiments.


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Re: Tripper Island [Re: trippingchef]
    #3704886 - 01/31/05 12:34 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Well, hell if somebody is going to buy us an island, houses, food, clothing, and all we have to do is experiment further into the field of psychadelics, well... :drooling:


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Re: Tripper Island [Re: 13eetleJuice]
    #3705481 - 01/31/05 02:32 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

We must understand that these substances have been part of the evolution of humanity since the beggining. It is only reciently that we have begun to shun them. It is time that we not only re-embrace them but begin to truly understand what these substances do to our bodies to allow our spirits to take flight. na dmaybe even from these revelations we may even begin to understand how to truly use the "soul".


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Re: Tripper Island [Re: trippingchef]
    #3705582 - 01/31/05 02:47 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

The previous Bi/ethno/technology that we are so consumed by is infact the tool that I am refering to. We must steer away from the "druggy" reference point. The idea of the island experiment is to show the owlrd that which the goverment has band humanity from learning. I will be looking for individuals which will require the necesarry capabilities that will help to facilitate the project. Look to my previous posts in order to know what I am looking for. this is not a "stoner" or "druggy" island. this is an opertunity to learn how ethnnobotanials trualy react with huna,ity. We have used them as part of our culure/religion/beliefe system sith tyme immorial. Now is the time that we can combine mystism with science/technology. Now is the dawning of a new age. And you and me hold the keys in our wolrd and in our heads. Don't let our children go through the same dis-ilusion which has happened for most of hummanities existence. We have the keys here. The substance cause not only no harm to use but are actuall coded scpecifically for our brains. Why would the goverement, which is ment to "help us" or to "protect us" keep us from such experiementation unless there is something to hide which is even greater than any of us van know. Ideas,comments....


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Re: Tripper Island [Re: trippingchef]
    #3705645 - 01/31/05 02:58 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Dude, if you haven't found out "why they conspire to hide this great secret of life from us" yet, then there ain't no island or monastery on the planet that's gonna help you figure it out. You don't need an island and lots of scientists/volunteers. All you need is yourself and an open mind.


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Re: Tripper Island [Re: 13eetleJuice]
    #3706198 - 01/31/05 05:31 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Believe me friend. I know what you are saying but we only think we know why they are hiding it. Obviously if we pierce the illusion they cannot hold anything from mana over us ever again but the true point is: They themselves have only explored so far. They are affraid! Affriad of what they may see! Affraid of what we may realise. They are affraid of the true! I understand my friend but non of us truly know why they are so affraid of the truth. But we shall see....


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