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Access to Dutch 'coffee shops' could be cut for foreigners
    #3392001 - 11/21/04 04:36 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

EU drugs clampdown could spell trouble for Dutch marijuana 'coffee shops'
AP - Saturday, November 20, 2004
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BRUSSELS, Belgium (AP) - Dutch Justice Minister Piet Hein Donner announced yesterday that access to popular Dutch 'coffee shops' to smoke marijuana could be cut for foreigners - including other EU citizens - as part of a new European Union drugs control policy.

Donner, whose country holds the EU presidency, said a meeting of EU justice and interior ministers agreed on guidelines for setting up an eight-year drugs action plan in the 25-nation bloc.

Under the strategy, EU countries would coordinate efforts to cut supplies of soft and hard drugs, as well as demand, through prevention programs and police enforcement.

Donner said his country - where hundreds of thousands of tourists head to benefit from the famously relaxed policy on soft drugs like marijuana - would have to "draw consequences" from an expected stricter EU drugs policy.

"Drugs tourism should be fought," Donner said, adding that access to cafes selling joints could be barred for nonresidents of the Netherlands, including other EU citizens.
"That's an idea where we should be headed," Donner said. He did not elaborate how this could be enforced.

Dutch officials said the government is setting up a pilot project in Maastricht where entry into coffee shops would be restricted to those with special passes only.

The Dutch government has drafted tougher cannabis laws in an effort to reduce the number of coffee shops where marijuana is sold and to ban sales of cannabis to tourists in border areas.

There are around 780 coffee shops in the Netherlands, but half of them are in the three big cities of Amsterdam, Rotterdam and The Hague. About 80 per cent of municipalities do not permit coffee shops.

Despite heavy pressure and criticism from countries like France and Sweden against the relaxed drugs policy in the Netherlands, Dutch officials argue their policy has not resulted in a rise of users.

A government-funded study in May found the use of marijuana among Dutch youth declined somewhat in recent years.

The sale of small quantities of marijuana and hashish is tolerated and is sold at coffee shops like shots of whiskey at bars. The soft drugs, however, remain a controlled substance under Dutch law and technically its sale and use is illegal.

Government figures say the number of people who tried marijuana in the Netherlands ranks in the middle of a range of EU countries, the United States and Australia.
The Netherlands has taken a hard line against drugs like cocaine and Ecstasy however, where possession is prosecuted.


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Re: Access to Dutch 'coffee shops' could be cut for foreigners [Re: veggie]
    #3392432 - 11/21/04 09:22 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

That Justice Minister is a fucking Conservative Christian.

This will never happen because it's against our constitution. The local governments of the big cities will never allow this.


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Re: Access to Dutch 'coffee shops' could be cut for foreigners [Re: Annom]
    #3392464 - 11/21/04 09:38 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Good to know Annom.

Can anyone say economic suicide anyway?


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Re: Access to Dutch 'coffee shops' could be cut for foreigners [Re: Organic]
    #3392565 - 11/21/04 10:59 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Dutch constitution:

Article 1:
All persons in the Netherlands shall be treated equally in equal circumstances. Discrimination on the grounds of religion, belief, political opinion, race or sex or on other grounds whatsoever shall not be permitted.


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Re: Access to Dutch 'coffee shops' could be cut for foreigners [Re: Annom]
    #3392579 - 11/21/04 11:09 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Im not sure they will do that...
The court systems cant handle prosecuting drug offenses in any number, its too costly. I dont believe it, its probably only a weak response from pressure from other eu countries. I wouldnt worry too much, the Dutch government isnt stupid.


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Re: Access to Dutch 'coffee shops' could be cut for foreigners [Re: Dutch_Mushrooms]
    #3392581 - 11/21/04 11:11 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

it's probably only a weak response from pressure from other eu countries.


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Re: Access to Dutch 'coffee shops' could be cut for foreigners [Re: veggie]
    #3392658 - 11/21/04 12:00 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

They'll take my access to Dutch coffee shops from my cold dead hands!


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Re: Access to Dutch 'coffee shops' could be cut for foreigners [Re: veggie]
    #3392752 - 11/21/04 12:59 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I sent this article to a fellow EU resident with much more political knowledge than I, and this is what he said...
Hi!

Yes, this is uttered always when pressure rises on the Netherlands! Sweden has the most drug-deaths (relatively) - but well, that
does not interest no one...

Some comments I put into the text...

> could be cut for foreigners - including other EU citizens - as part of a new
> European Union drugs control policy.
That is, to be precise not possible.

> Under the strategy, EU countries would coordinate efforts to cut supplies of
> soft and hard drugs, as well as demand, through prevention programs and
> police enforcement.
How one cut demand through police-action? Kill the users?

> "Drugs tourism should be fought," Donner said, adding that access to cafes
> selling joints could be barred for nonresidents of the Netherlands,
> including other EU citizens.
> "That's an idea where we should be headed," Donner said. He did not
> elaborate how this could be enforced.
And that is the problem. HOW to do it? Coffeshops are selling ILLEGALLY - they cannot give "access-cards" or something like this to
their illegal customers!
The ONLY way is to legalize it and that is happening. Once, the Mary-Jane is more broadly available in pharmacies in NL, then the
coffieshops can be closed.
For our project: that make things just more attractive...


> Dutch officials said the government is setting up a pilot project in
> Maastricht where entry into coffee shops would be restricted to those with
> special passes only.
The ass would, then, be something like a "permission to buy something illegal"?
Dutch do not carry ID-cards because they believe it's much to much "governmental control"... now they would register as
coffeshop-customers?
These ideas do not work, they did not an will never, as long as the police-law is in NL as it is and it will stay that way, because
of special NL-structures.

> The Dutch government has drafted tougher cannabis laws in an effort to
> reduce the number of coffee shops where marijuana is sold and to ban sales
> of cannabis to tourists in border areas.
Yes, they want to reduce and maybe they reduce 10%. So what? A year later they allow 10% more without notice from media. Just
theatre, as always.

> Despite heavy pressure and criticism from countries like France and Sweden
> against the relaxed drugs policy in the Netherlands, Dutch officials argue
> their policy has not resulted in a rise of users.
Yes, but a lowering of deaths. But fascist countries like Sweden do not care about deaths in their way to enforce "one leading
idea"..

> Government figures say the number of people who tried marijuana in the
> Netherlands ranks in the middle of a range of EU countries, the United
> States and Australia.
> The Netherlands has taken a hard line against drugs like cocaine and Ecstasy
> however, where possession is prosecuted.
Yes... hehe... if You have less then 3KG of cocaine in Your flight from the Netherlands Antilles to Amsterdam-Airport, no prosecution
takes place.
The theatre is always ongoing.

Shane


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Re: Access to Dutch 'coffee shops' could be cut for foreigners [Re: Dutch_Mushrooms]
    #3392935 - 11/21/04 02:21 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I agree that it is just theater. People talk and talk, but nothing comes of it. And controls in the city are harder to regulate than in small towns, the last thing Amsterdam wants is tons of shitty streat dealers with knives trying to rob all the tourists.


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Re: Access to Dutch 'coffee shops' could be cut for foreigners [Re: champ]
    #3394814 - 11/21/04 11:18 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Why must America and religious zealots impose their will on the world? One day...common sense will rule.


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